Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[Yates]

For reference...

T1 - VT:

 

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

Salami (12/12): Leelou, Cloud, Nol, Yates, Verb, Razen, Dap, Krak, Des, Peace, Tina, Tiink

Verb (1/12): Crusher

Chuckles (1/12): Salami

Cloud (1/12): Mr. Ree


Not Voting (8/23): Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Lenlo, Pral, Serra, BG, Ishy

 

T2 - BPV:

 

Official Vote Count FINAL VC:

Yates (1/12): Krak
Cloud (1/12): Ishy
Salami (12/12): Nol, Cloud, Yates, Verb, Leelou, Chuckles, Razen, Dap, Laya, Serra, BG, Des
Dap (1/12): Crush
BG (1/12): Salami

Not Voting (7/23):
Mishh, Hally, Lenlo, Peace, Tiink, Tina, Ree, Pral

SCENE INCOMING

 

T3 - VT:

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

Salami (12/12): Nol, Yates, Verb, Leelou, Razen, Cloud, Peace, Dap, Des, Serra, Tina, Lenlo
Hally (1/12): Krak
Yates (1/12): Crush
Leelou (1/12): Ree
Chuckles (2/12): Tiink, Salami

Not Voting (7/23):
Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Ishy, Tina, Laya, BG, Pral

 

 

 

Serra - votes Salami 2 and 3 but not 1
Peace - votes Salami 1 and 3 but not 2
Tina - votes Salami 1 and 3 but not 2

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb, Yates - voted all 3

Hally, Mish, and Pral DID NOT VOTE AT ALL
 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb <- More than one of these guys is scum in at least 1 thread [i know - big help].  My guess is Cloud in T2 for one.

[WWWwombat]

DEADLINE FOR NIGHT ACTIONS IS 2 PM EST TOMORROW

[hazelkrs1]

For reference...

 

T1 - VT:

 

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

 

Salami (12/12): Leelou, Cloud, Nol, Yates, Verb, Razen, Dap, Krak, Des, Peace, Tina, Tiink

 

Verb (1/12): Crusher

 

Chuckles (1/12): Salami

 

Cloud (1/12): Mr. Ree

 

 

Not Voting (8/23): Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Lenlo, Pral, Serra, BG, Ishy

 

T2 - BPV:

Official Vote Count FINAL VC:

 

Yates (1/12): Krak

Cloud (1/12): Ishy

Salami (12/12): Nol, Cloud, Yates, Verb, Leelou, Chuckles, Razen, Dap, Laya, Serra, BG, Des

Dap (1/12): Crush

BG (1/12): Salami

 

Not Voting (7/23):

Mishh, Hally, Lenlo, Peace, Tiink, Tina, Ree, Pral

 

SCENE INCOMING

 

 

T3 - VT:

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Salami (12/12): Nol, Yates, Verb, Leelou, Razen, Cloud, Peace, Dap, Des, Serra, Tina, Lenlo

Hally (1/12): Krak

Yates (1/12): Crush

Leelou (1/12): Ree

Chuckles (2/12): Tiink, Salami

 

Not Voting (7/23):

Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Ishy, Tina, Laya, BG, Pral

 

 

Serra - votes Salami 2 and 3 but not 1

Peace - votes Salami 1 and 3 but not 2

Tina - votes Salami 1 and 3 but not 2

 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb, Yates - voted all 3

 

Hally, Mish, and Pral DID NOT VOTE AT ALL

 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb <- More than one of these guys is scum in at least 1 thread [i know - big help]. My guess is Cloud in T2 for one.

This is awesome btw Yates, thanks for already compiling it. Was gonna do it when I got the chance later, you beat me to the punch

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so going to catch this thread up to some of my thoughts from T2.

 

So I'm the Vig in T2, and I'm VT in this game and T3. Csarlami was BPV in T2, VT in this one and T3. Ishy flipped Jailkeeper in T2. And in case you missed it, there's something special about the OP's in each thread as well. Wombat dies as alignment ____ in this one (seriously have no idea, coloring is blue tho for what that's worth), Darthe dies as Mafia in T3's OP, and both mods die in T2 as possible 3rd party.

 

This all tells me there may be another way the threads are tied together. I'm guessing that there are less roles overall in T1 and T3. Don't have a ton of evidence for this yet, but the stuff I do have points to this being possible. I also think that there might be something like Cult in T1, Mafia in T3, and Cult AND Mafia in T2, which could explain why there might be more roles for town. It could be something like Mafia in T1 and T3 and Cultafia in T2 tho, or something like that.

 

I would like to know if anyone else has any thoughts on this, if they want to corroborate it, disprove it, whatever.

[hazelkrs1]

As for vote analysis, the people who pretty much constructed the meta-lynch on CSalarmi, and by that I mean all the early culprits on his train, were Nolder, Verbal, Leelou, Yates, Cloud, and Razen.

 

Nolder was the most outspoken about it, however I could still see him pushing it overtly as scum instead of trying to do it quietly.

 

Leelou and Verbal both play on JN a lot, where there are a lot more speedlynches and quick wagons, so I don't think their votes stand out as much.

 

Yates' thinking seems to have mirrored my own somewhat, in that the plan was a unique one and a good opportunity to try and compare info from each thread (it was a good idea btw, and it's already paying off... sorta lol). He seems town to me in at least T1 and T2. Gotta reread T3 to make sure on him there.

 

Cloud's play looks mighty scummy in T1 and T2. Moreso in T2, because he joined two bandwagons quick (first was on Yates), but I remember feeling pretty sketchy about him in this one as well. Once again, I have to go back through T3 again to see how I feel on him there.

 

Razen was the laziest of the early pushers on the metalynch. Just voted, didn't give any reasoning or anything, didn't say he agreed with the concept, nothing. He might be the best candidate for what Tina described in this thread: People that were pushing Csarlami's metalynch as a way of masking their own meta. I in fact initially voted Razen a bit ago (since that thread is the go-getter of the trio and is already in day phase). After reviewing his case in that one however, I ended up changing my vote to Cloud, because his case was pretty good. But perhaps he's better at casing when he's town, and he was trying to mask his meta to hide his scumminess in T1 or T3. Worth looking into possibly.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay and finally as for reads specific to this thread, Serra and Cloud are still my top two picks. Rorschach is a distant third because he's much more lurky in this game as opposed to T2 or T3.

[Tiinker]

It's not a bad idea. I wouldn't put it past either of them to leave us subtle hints in the OP like that. But I would tell everyone to refrain from speculating though since until flips, all it will do is distract from scum hunting and WIFOM the shit out of everything.

[Pralaya]

 

Serra - votes Salami 2 and 3 but not 1

Peace - votes Salami 1 and 3 but not 2

Tina - votes Salami 1 and 3 but not 2

 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb, Yates - voted all 3

 

Hally, Mish, and Pral DID NOT VOTE AT ALL

 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb <- More than one of these guys is scum in at least 1 thread [i know - big help].  My guess is Cloud in T2 for one.

 

I voted him in T2 and I stated that I was not a fan of lynching him in all the three games. SO, I went with where my biggest suspicion was.

 

Also, I agree with the bolded part. More or less the same people started the bandwagon in all the three threads. 

[Pralaya]

Okay and finally as for reads specific to this thread, Serra and Cloud are still my top two picks. Rorschach is a distant third because he's much more lurky in this game as opposed to T2 or T3.

 

Not intentionally. Was not able to get a read in this game as opposed to the other threads. I have my suspicions in this thread too now but I will air it once Day 2 begins, basically after looking at the night actions.

[michellem]

Really Des? You are encouraging me to lie? How is that pro-town?

[WWWwombat]

Just over 7 hours to NA deadline.

[WWWwombat]

A year and a day later...

 

The day after Samhain, 1053

 

 

Morna did her cleaning at night, taking great care not to be seen.  That was the best way.  No one wanted to see servants, just their handiwork.  She was currently working on a very troublesome wine stain on a stretch of light carpeting.  She was putting plenty of elbow grease into it.  Focusing her whole attention on it.

 

"Out, damned spot," she grumbled under her breath.  She was so focused on her cleaning that she didn't notice the shadow approaching her from behind.  Not even when it revealed a knife.  And so, her assailant was able to grab her head and slit her throat quite easily.

 

That stain would be somewhat harder to remove from the carpeting.

 

 

Mr. Ree, Morna Connerly, Vanilla Town has been killed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Willem had fallen asleep on duty again.  He worked the night shift and had never really gotten used to it.  He often slept in until sunset and still couldn't make it through his shift.  And so it was that Willem didn't see or hear a thing when someone walked up to him, bold as you please, dragging a massive claymore and then lifted it with some difficulty and swung it at his head.  The blow didn't take his head off, but it did crush his skull, which was good enough.  The killer decided not to try dragging the sword away from the scene.

 

 

Nolder, Willem Wallace, Vanilla Town has been killed.

[WWWwombat]

It is now Day 2.

 

11 to lynch.

 

Deadline in roughly 4 days probably, given the approaching weekend.

[Yates]

So Ree was killed by an SK.

Nolder was killed by mafia.

 

The Ree kill on the tail of me claiming the other two kills point away from Ree and Serra as non DMers has me chuckling.  I think this also points away from Serra as I think this person was trying to use game meta to make either Serra or I look like the SK.  Interesting thought but laughable in execution.

 

I have to look for a lead on the SK.  It's certainly someone paying close attention to three game meta.

[bgrishinko]

So Ree was killed by an SK.

Nolder was killed by mafia.

 

The Ree kill on the tail of me claiming the other two kills point away from Ree and Serra as non DMers has me chuckling.  I think this also points away from Serra as I think this person was trying to use game meta to make either Serra or I look like the SK.  Interesting thought but laughable in execution.

 

I have to look for a lead on the SK.  It's certainly someone paying close attention to three game meta.

 

Okay....

 

1. How do you know Ree wasn't a mafia kill and Nolder SK?

2. Given Despo's claim in T2 (assuming it is the truth), is it not possible there is a Vig?

3. You just poured a bucket of WIFOM everywhere and left. You could have easily killed Ree for the sole purpose of posting this post afterward effectively trying to make you and Serra look innocent.

[Leelou]

 

So Ree was killed by an SK.

Nolder was killed by mafia.

 

The Ree kill on the tail of me claiming the other two kills point away from Ree and Serra as non DMers has me chuckling.  I think this also points away from Serra as I think this person was trying to use game meta to make either Serra or I look like the SK.  Interesting thought but laughable in execution.

 

I have to look for a lead on the SK.  It's certainly someone paying close attention to three game meta.

 

Okay....

 

1. How do you know Ree wasn't a mafia kill and Nolder SK?

2. Given Despo's claim in T2 (assuming it is the truth), is it not possible there is a Vig?

3. You just poured a bucket of WIFOM everywhere and left. You could have easily killed Ree for the sole purpose of posting this post afterward effectively trying to make you and Serra look innocent.

 

 

1 is a really good question. 

[Yates]

1. How do you know Ree wasn't a mafia kill and Nolder SK?

2. Given Despo's claim in T2 (assuming it is the truth), is it not possible there is a Vig?

3. You just poured a bucket of WIFOM everywhere and left. You could have easily killed Ree for the sole purpose of posting this post afterward effectively trying to make you and Serra look innocent.

1.

Not even when it revealed a knife. And so, her assailant was able to grab her head and slit her throat quite easily.

 

That stain would be somewhat harder to remove from the carpeting.

 

 

Mr. Ree, Morna Connerly, Vanilla Town has been killed.

 

 

 

 

The blow didn't take his head off, but it did crush his skull, which was good enough. The killer decided not to try dragging the sword away from the scene.

 

 

Nolder, Willem Wallace, Vanilla Town has been killed.

Knife is the gold standard flavor for SK.

 

2. Despo *was* the Vig in thread 2. *shrug* I jumped to the same conclusion there. I guess we'll see in the morning if someone claims vig or not. Either way, it wasn't a pro Town kill.

 

3. That's possible. It's not what happened but it's possible. I'm going with my gut here and thinking that was a calculated setup. Kind of like with Cloud in T2.

[WWWwombat]

Murder weapon flavor is arbitrary.

[WWWwombat]

To be more specific, the manner of death is purely aesthetic, not game related.

[michellem]

Weapons mentioned in scenes on DM are almost always just flavour. Don't think I've ever seen anyone use that to "mark" a kill as SK.

[Nolder]

GL Town

[Yates]

To be more specific, the manner of death is purely aesthetic, not game related.

 

So you're saying that there will not be a consistency across kills that will allow us to differentiate between mafia and 3rd party kills?

[Verbal32]

That's what he's saying, yes.

[serra]

On MS, those two flips would almost certainly point to 1 SK kill and 1 scum kill. However, in T2 the kills aren't really flavoured, so I'm not sure we can really take that as a given.

 

Given that he couldn't have predicted the flavour, I don't really think this is a setup by Yates. That doesn't mean he's right though, scum/SK taking out Ree to frame Yates/me is a bit of a stretch, when there considerably better kills around.

 

I could see a vig taking out Ree to get rid of an inactive, actually, if he didn't have any particularly strong scumreads.

[Darthe]

More specifically, he is saying that hints are inconsistent to keep them from affecting the balance for any schmuck that figures them out