Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[_CLOUD]

Razen with more overt setting up of Leelou's lynch here.

 

The fact that he also fos's Chuckles for not voting, even tho Chuckles WAS voting Verbal by now (Chuckles was being derpderp during the lynch too btw, just didn't see him set up Leelou's lynch as much), ESPECIALLY using Verbal's claim thing reeks, since it was plain to see that Verbal was totally messing around here.

 

Razen, Chuckles, Rorschach. Almost positive there is 2 scum out of those three. And I'm convinced that Leelou is town btw, cause I forgot bout the earlier thing where her and Verbal were agreeing about lynching inactives. Don't think they would link themselves so casually on thread as teammates.

 

Unvote, Vote Razen

 

"Don't think they would link themselves so casually on thread as teammates."

 

LMAO

 

I can't believe that you are saying this after the Kingdom Hearts game. You are defending Leelou by implying that her interactions with Verbal would be too obvious for being a mafia play, while we used the exact same strategy in the KH game and won because of it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all that Verbal wanted to see if he could do the exact same thing twice in a row. You should know better Despo after you got outplayed in the KH game, and yet here you are defending Leelou. I'm convinced that you and Leelou are teammates.

 

 

"The fact that he also fos's Chuckles for not voting eve though Chuckles WAS voting Verbal by now"

 

So you are saying that you find Razen scummy because he missed Chuckles' vote on Verbal? I also missed his vote and only when I went back to reread did I notice that he was already voting for Verbal. This isn't a reason to find someone scummy in any kind of way because it is just an honest mistake and you can't expect Razen to push for Chuckles' lynch if he wanted to because of a wrong fact. 

 

 

"since it was plain to see that Verbal was totally messing around here".

 

And yet you still dare to attack people for advocating Leelou's lynch before Verbal even flipped mafia! Look at the rest of my case on you and how you attack Razen and Pralaya because they were talking about lynching Leelou before Verbal even flipped scum. You are contradicting yourself here. 

 

Serra also somewhat set up Leelou's lynch, but in a much more subtle manner, no worse than any post of mine in that regard. Still suspicious of him tho.

 

But yeah, I do think Leelou is telling the truth, and scum was being opportunistic cause Verbal prob told them Leelou would defend him at first.

 

So Despo has decided to go after everyone who was setting up Leelou's lynch. News flash: everyone did it for an obvious reason. And your only argument why those pushing for Leelou's lynch are scummy is because they were opportunitic.

 

 

 

Players: 

21. Pralaya - leaning scum - was very inactive until Verbal was called out by Tina, put together a crap case to link me to Verbal and was the first to push for my lynch - btw Pral the lynch the lurkers was started during D1, nice opportunistic posts you pulled trying to link me and Verbal. 

 

Agreed, I was comparatively more active  (not by much though) in other threads but that was only in D1 when I was unable to get reads on players here. I have more or less similar levels of posting in all the three threads. When I did get a read, I came out with my reasoning and it was pretty clear, at least to me, that the link was present.

 

1. During the Csarmi votes

2. During the "inactive" bandwagoning

3. Trying to defend Verbal when Tina outed him as scum

 

I think it is more than just a co-incidence. 

 

 

That's the thing though, you don't have a good read, I'm town and you are going to be looked at very hard when I flip town. 

 

1. I voted salami in this thread for bandwagoning before he even posted in the other threads and I supported the tri-lynch for his masking a meta and linking all the threads together. 

 

2. Inactive voting is nothing new for me, I don't like inactive players and lurking - gives scum plenty of leeway to hide and let town rip themselves apart. Also near end game if you have an inactive town player who hasn't done much to prove their town and an active scum acting townish, it makes it much harder at LYLO. 

 

3. I've already hit on this this phase. 

 

 

You keep stating that you are town and this makes me even more sure that you are scum because you are trying too hard to push that idea forward.

 

 

 

vote Chuckles

 

I know I was off yesterday, but Chuckles looked really bad in all of that exchange as well.

 

Here's what I'm confused at, looking back, you and Chuckles were both trying to draw out Tina's role. Realisitcally speaking, you two are kind of in the same boat. So when the very first thing you do today is vote Chuckles for essentially doing the same thing you did, it looks opportunistic to me. I still think both of you and Chuck seem pretty bad for that, but your train was bigger and your immediate turn about on Chuckles is a bit more incriminating I think.

 

I agree with BG here. 

 

 

 

 

That's a very nice OMGUS you have there, it would be a shame if someone were to call BS and you doing the exact same thing your voting leelou for

 

How am I doing the same thing I'm voting Leelou for?  I didn't try to go through a ton of names to find something to stick on everyone else so I could survive another day.  I'm voting Leelou because the clearest explanation for what she did is because she's scum.  Once she found something that seemed plausible, she's pushing it so she can survive another day.  You're not helping your cause either.

 

Leelou/Chuckles.  Obvious scum team.

 

 

I'm not scum though. My lynch is opportunistic and you were really pushing on it before Verbal even flipped scum. 

 

 

Again saying that she isn't scum and repeating that her lynch is opportunistic And of course Razen was pushing your lynch before Verbal even flipped! It was obvious to everyone but you that he was mafia from the start.

 

 

Speaking of her claim; Leelou are all of your characters' names three letters?  I know you were yew in the other thread.  That kind of leads me to believe you're telling the truth regarding your claim.  I hope I'm right.

 

Vote Raz

 

This post doesn't make any kind of sense... What does her character name have to do with anything? Our names aren't related to our allignment in any kind of way, and Leelou could as well tell everyone the name of her character while she is scum and it wouldn't make any kind of difference. And even if by any chance a name might reveal that the character is "evil" then she could just easily think of a name with three letters and she's safe.

 

 

*nod*  I went back, and I see.  Your claim makes sense to me.

 

......

 

Scum team: Razen, Rorschach, Serra, Cloud, and BG now as well.

 

Book it. Send it to the publisher. Then wait for the checks to come in.

 

 

 

 

 

Cause those reads are GOLD

 

Lol.

 

 

 

 

I didn't say we had to speedlynch Leelou, which is what everyone's implying. I wanted to listen to what she had to say before placing a vote, just in case she'd give us any leads on her teammates. She's trying really hard to redirect attention from herself by pulling up any name that she can to save herself from being lynched today. Which she's about to succeed in, by the way. Myself, Chuckles, Pral, anyone that said she should be lynched today for her behavior interacting with Verbal. I don't think she cared which one, just as long as one of us got killed instead of her. Chuckles looks suspect to me for saying that he doesn't think she's scum. I could vote both way right now, but I'll vote: Leelou.

Ooowheee I love to see a scum sweat! Leelou is doing what the responsible townie thing to do would be in this circumstance: getting out her reads. She isn't flailing or panicking and telling people to vote for all these other people at all. As Yates said, her responses have held up under pressure.

 

And its not about whether or not you were pushing speedlynching, its that you were setting up Leelou's lynch before Verbal had even flipped scum. I wanted to go back and look for myself, and yeah bud, you came up not exactly smelling like roses.

 

And you and BG pushing the Leelou/Chuckles team makes me feel like Chuckles is more likely town now as well. Thanks for that. Razen flips scum, and imo we have two semi-confirmed townies and some great scum leads.

 

 

Is it just me or are Leelou and Des basically repeating each others arguments why Leelou is town? Again, it was obvious that Verbal would flip scum the minute he claimed to be the Doc and I believe that you were also quite vocal in lynching him, but now you are attacking others for going after Leelou while nobody knew his real allignment yet? Come on man could you be any more obvious with trying to safe your teammate right now??

 

Note that he tries to push forward the idea that Chuckles is also likely town. This is scummy because Chuckles is currently in the spotlight and Despo would gain a lot of town cred if he did in fact flip town. With my current reads on both Leelou and Despo I think that Chuckles IS in fact town, and that he just played a really bad game during the previous Day.

 

 

 

Scum team: Razen, Rorschach, Serra, Cloud, and BG now as well.

 

Book it. Send it to the publisher. Then wait for the checks to come in.

 

 

 

 

 

Cause those reads are GOLD

I swear Desp if I dont get my check in the mail soon, im going to invest in some bats.

 

vote Razen

 

 

Shameless following by Lenlo. I also noticed that a few others were voting for Razen without any kind of reasoning (Crusher and Ishy also come to mind).

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone knows that Tina outed Verbal, but scum would want to overexaggerate their role in lynching Verbal to gain town cred. Don't think it's semantics...

 

 

Not when it is a cop id and when it is obvious as daylight who started it. A scum trying to take credit of a cop claim would make him suicidal.

 

 

This seems a lot like a "Mafia would never do this" type comment, and as I've said many times those are poor statements to use in defense of yourself.

 

In me eyes you did try to exaggerate your role in "outing" Verbal. We'll see what others think.

 

 

You are attacking Pralaya because he said something similair to "mafia would never do this", while you did the exact same thing a couple of pages back with saying that Leelou and Verbal could NEVER be such obvious teammates!

 

 

Lame. Help us Town Vig, you're our only hope!

 

Yes Vig, please do us all a favor and shoot this turkey.

[_CLOUD]

TLDR: LEELOU AND DESPO ARE MAFIA TEAMMATES.

 

I will eat my hat if I'm wrong about this.

[_CLOUD]

Ok and now I will go back on the previous Day and read the interactions between Despo and Verbal.

 

Also, Hallia is also scummy but I'm not sure if that is just because of her bad play this game or because she really is scum..

 

I'm pretty sure that Chuckles is town after seeing how Leelou went after him right away for doing the exact same thing she did, and how Despo said that he must be town.

[Leelou]

TLDR: LEELOU AND DESPO ARE MAFIA TEAMMATES.

 

I will eat my hat if I'm wrong about this.

 

You'll take pictures and post them if you are wrong? 

[_CLOUD]

 

TLDR: LEELOU AND DESPO ARE MAFIA TEAMMATES.

 

I will eat my hat if I'm wrong about this.

 

You'll take pictures and post them if you are wrong? 

 

 

Haha ok but we both know that it will never happen though

[hazelkrs1]

Three letters for ya Cloud: GFY.

 

I don't care for the tone in your posts at all there, you come off as a smarmy holier than thou.... Just gonna stop there. I'm town, you're showing your ass as scum, and I'm gonna post more later when I've had some sleep and I am hopefully more calm.

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

[Pralaya]

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

The exact thing is happening in this game too. We were in a good position with lynching Verbal and then it got downhill as the mafia played the town. First it was Razen. Next you will try to lynch Cloud, me or BG. There will be someone dead during the night-time.  Playing right into the scum hands.

[_CLOUD]

Three letters for ya Cloud: GFY.

 

I don't care for the tone in your posts at all there, you come off as a smarmy holier than thou.... Just gonna stop there. I'm town, you're showing your ass as scum, and I'm gonna post more later when I've had some sleep and I am hopefully more calm.

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

Thank you.

 

I'm not a smarmy holier, and I'm sorry if you think that I come off that way. I try my best to see Mafia as just a game, and I tend to be competitive in those. My case on you had nothing personal against you, so you definitely shouldn't see it as an attack on you.

 

I never said that I played you in the KH game, the only that I did was try my best to lay low and let DPR, Verbal and Yates do all their crazy play that won us the game in the end. My "outplayed" comment was me trying to get under your skin because I know how you feel about that game, but I see now that it didn't work as I wanted to. Anyway, I will stop bringing up that game if you are still feeling so bad about our victory.. 

[_CLOUD]

My entire case against you still stands though. I just wanted to clear a few things up because I see that you didn't react well to some of the things I posted.

[_CLOUD]

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

The exact thing is happening in this game too. We were in a good position with lynching Verbal and then it got downhill as the mafia played the town. First it was Razen. Next you will try to lynch Cloud, me or BG. There will be someone dead during the night-time.  Playing right into the scum hands.

 

 

I can't say that I like this post. You weren't even in the KH game so why are you comparing these two games with each other?

[Pralaya]

 

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

The exact thing is happening in this game too. We were in a good position with lynching Verbal and then it got downhill as the mafia played the town. First it was Razen. Next you will try to lynch Cloud, me or BG. There will be someone dead during the night-time.  Playing right into the scum hands.

 

 

I can't say that I like this post. You weren't even in the KH game so why are you comparing these two games with each other?

 

 

I am referencing the bolded point, and seeing the same scenario happening in this game. I don't know what happened in KH game but I know what is happening here and pointing it out to what Des said. 

[_CLOUD]

Three letters for ya Cloud: GFY.

 

I don't care for the tone in your posts at all there, you come off as a smarmy holier than thou.... Just gonna stop there. I'm town, you're showing your ass as scum, and I'm gonna post more later when I've had some sleep and I am hopefully more calm.

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

Also, I can't believe that you are actually criticizing me when I try to play with a little more emotion while you are well known for playing in a very similar way. And for some reason you can't stand me being a bit more agressive, while you are ok with other players playing that way. I may come of as a bit overeager at times in Mafia games, but I only ever try to have some fun with the rest of you. English is also my third language, so sometimes I have troubles with trying to express myself. 

 

Anyway, I'm done with this. Just focus on the game.

[_CLOUD]

 

 

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

The exact thing is happening in this game too. We were in a good position with lynching Verbal and then it got downhill as the mafia played the town. First it was Razen. Next you will try to lynch Cloud, me or BG. There will be someone dead during the night-time.  Playing right into the scum hands.

 

 

I can't say that I like this post. You weren't even in the KH game so why are you comparing these two games with each other?

 

 

I am referencing the bolded point, and seeing the same scenario happening in this game. I don't know what happened in KH game but I know what is happening here and pointing it out to what Des said. 

 

 

Fair enough.

[bgrishinko]

 

TLDR: LEELOU AND DESPO ARE MAFIA TEAMMATES.

 

I will eat my hat if I'm wrong about this.

 

You'll take pictures and post them if you are wrong? 

 

 

I had to do that once in a mafia game. Posted the picture too. AH still teases me about it.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

 

And btw, you didn't "play" me in the KH game. You were handed victory by a slanted setup, and you "played" the rest of town. I had your number but suckers fell for yalls deceit. Sick of y'all talking crap about that game.

 

The exact thing is happening in this game too. We were in a good position with lynching Verbal and then it got downhill as the mafia played the town. First it was Razen. Next you will try to lynch Cloud, me or BG. There will be someone dead during the night-time.  Playing right into the scum hands.

 

 

I can't say that I like this post. You weren't even in the KH game so why are you comparing these two games with each other?

 

 

I am referencing the bolded point, and seeing the same scenario happening in this game. I don't know what happened in KH game but I know what is happening here and pointing it out to what Des said. 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

 

Gonna have to pay royalties to BG on that one.

[bgrishinko]

Going rate is $2,312.47 per unsolicited violation.

 

Please make out the check to Boris Grishinko.

[_CLOUD]

Going rate is $2,312.47 per unsolicited violation.

 

Please make out the check to Boris Grishinko.

 

[WWWwombat]

Night Actions due in just under 5 hours

[Tiinker]

Going rate is $2,312.47 per unsolicited violation.

 

Please make out the check to Boris Grishinko.

Lol and here I was the whole time thinking that you had spammed random letters in order to get that username.. They always told me I was special in school.

[Yates]

Speaking of night actions... I have a question for you guys.  Let's say I'm a cop and I investigate a symp/traitor.  Would my result return as innocent or guilty?  I know in MS it would return as innocent but I just wanted clarity on that point.

[michellem]

I think the most common on DM is a guilty-viewing. It's what I would do as a mod at least.

[michellem]

Almost forgot: I won't be here tomorrow or early thursday; Going away to see Muse. Weee!

[Lenlo]

Almost forgot: I won't be here tomorrow or early thursday; Going away to see Muse. Weee!

Im jealous. So very very jealous.

[Leelou]

Speaking of night actions... I have a question for you guys.  Let's say I'm a cop and I investigate a symp/traitor.  Would my result return as innocent or guilty?  I know in MS it would return as innocent but I just wanted clarity on that point.

 

I think it depends how it is set up. Typically a symp, unless found by the mafia team, is viewed as innocent. 

[WWWwombat]

Almost a week after Samhain, 1055

 

They were almost there.  Bonnie didn't know what she would have done if she hadn't run into Sir Osbern.  The roads were treacherous these days.  With the invasion still ravaging the countryside, she was more likely to have lost her harvest to bandits or deserters from one side or the other than to have made it all the way to the market in Dunkeld.  Sir Osbern provided safe passage.  Suddenly, the wagon stopped.  Bonnie hopped out to see what the problem was.  Sir Osbern was standing by the horses, their reins in his hands, staring up the road.

 

"Bandits," he explained, "Or deserters.  Not much difference between the two.  More than we can handle anyways.  I could take three or four of them and you could maybe fell one with your bow, but there are at least thrice that and they will be on us soon.  I will hold them as long as I can.  Take all that you can carry easily and make for the copse to our left.  Go.  Now."

 

Bonnie hated running from a fight but Sir Osbern spoke sense.  A dozen bandits were more than they could handle.  She wished he would run with her but she knew his honor wouldn't let him run from a fight.  She gritted her teeth and ran to gather a large sack, weeping silently.  About halfway to the copse, Bonnie heard shouts and the clash of steel from the road.  She murmured a prayer for Sir Osbern and ran harder.

 

Bonnie was no more than five paces into the copse when something grabbed her by the neck, making her drop the sack.

 

"Can't have you running away to tell what you've seen can we?" a raspy voice chuckled.  "I'll make this quick.  I've got things to be about."

 

Bonnie tried to scream but the grip on her neck tightened around her throat, squeezing the breath out of her.  The grip tightened and held.  Bonnie kicked and flailed but she couldn't get loose.  She knew her face was turning blue.  A veil of darkness started to creep over what little she could see.  She had to get free.  She gathered the last of her strength and tried to throw her attacker to the ground, but she was too weak and too sluggish.  The veil enveloped everything, and she knew no more.

 

 

Cloud, Bonnie Kay, Vanilla Town, has been killed.

 

 

 

 

Sir Osbern knelt, his hands pinned behind his back.  He'd managed to kill or maim all but three of the bandits.  It was much better than he'd expected.  That made the pain and the knowledge of his impending death easier to bear.  He smiled as he thought of Bonnie who was hopefully miles off by now.  A fist cuffed him hard across the face.

 

"Whatchoo smilin' at dead man?"

 

"Righteousness," Sir Osbern replied, spitting a mouthful of blood on the bandit now standing in front of him.

 

"Righteousness," the bandit repeated incredulously.  "Well yer about to be righteous dead.  You and the girl too."

 

Ser Osbern blinked in shock.

 

"Yeh didn' think we'd let 'er git away didjoo?  No, Gregor'll've caught 'er by now.  If she's alive, she wishes she's dead.  Gregor's a lil' rough you see.  Heh."

 

Rage boiled in Osbern's belly, the fire rising and filling his chest and then his head.  His vision turned red and he roared, leaping at the man in front of him, digging into his face with teeth and claws.  Wait no, those were gauntlets.  Osbern lifted them and pounded the man's skull with them, squirting blood in his face.  He kept pounding even after the face was gone. 

 

He heard footsteps and turned, bellowing and grabbing a hatchet the first bandit had been carrying.  He threw it and roared in satisfaction as it took the second bandit in the forehead.  Unfortunately, that was right when a crossbow bolt took him in the back of the neck, flying out of his throat and ending his rampage.

 

 

Misheru, Osbern Pentecost, Town Bus Driver, has been killed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gregor trudged through the woods in frustration.  Where had she gotten off to?  He had to kill her.  There had to be no witnesses.  All loose ends tied up.  What was that mad laughter he felt in his bones?  Gregor paused to catch his breath and started to consider returning to the road and reporting his shame.  It would be embarrassing, but waiting too long could be dangerous.  It was a tough decision.  A decision he didn't get to make, as an arrow took him in the chest while he was pondering.

 

 

Yates, Gregor Macgregory, Mafia Traitor, has been killed.