November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

[Yates]

 

So I'll ask again - are those the MAJOR points of your case? Yes or No?

Yes.

 

1. Struck me as trying to quickly gain the town cred by trying to figure out the vig/SK mystery at the time.

- It strikes you as scummy that someone wants to figure out if there were two kills because of an SK or a Vig? Is this legit or something you are making up to fit the read? This would make sense if you were accusing me of being an SK [which I'm obviously not] but not if you thought I was scum.

 

2. Cop-direction that I called out immediately - I don't like those types of plays, as they reek of scum.

- Well, I disagree with how you would handle that. When we didn't know if Des was an SK or Vig, figuring out his alignment was of paramount importance.

 

3. Me questioning his faulty logic of having to shoot scum.

- Sorry that you can't follow logic. Barring an innocent investigation, Des shooting another Town after not shooting one of his two preferred scum targets would have looked terrible and I would have been the conductor on the "Des is an SK" train. Thus, he HAD to shoot scum. That's simple math.

 

4. This is more a gut feel, and not a solid piece of evidence, I'll admit.

- Well, there's no defense for gut. As with BG, you've both seen me spin as scum. So I can appreciate a little aprehension surrounding my slot. Heck, I'd be surprised if I wasn't one of the earlier investigation targets in each of these threads given my record. They will all tell you the same thing - Yates is Town. That's coming from the mod - not your gut.

 

 

5. Initially I thought this might help his case a little[saying Des had that day and night to prove he's Town and to shoot scum], but then I'm thinking it was intentional.

- Really, this is the same argument as 3. Des claimed a vettable role. I wanted him to prove it or be vetted.

 

6. offsite meta

- Is really a continuation of 5. Since I don't have a history here I had to point to offsite meta to illustrate how I would handle a vig claim as scum. That was really less for you and more for the other MSers to comment on. Speaking of which, MSers should comment on that.

 

7. pointing out how he's contradicting himself [i said scum did us a favor - he's trying to say I'm painting that kill in a "positive light"], which is a major scumtell usually.

- This is the misrep, actually. I never contradicted myself. I said scum "did us a favor" by shooting Des rather than letting him live and prove he was a vig and not an SK. That's not even REMOTELY the same as saying I was happy scum shot the vig. That's trying to understand the motivation behind scum shooting someone that could potentially help their team either via directly shooting another Townie [he DID shoot the JK] or indirectly becoming mislynch bait.

 

 

8. Almost forgot - being super helpful

- What can I say? I'm a helpful guy. Was I super helpful as scum? No? Then move along.

 

Unvote

Vote: Verbal

 

[snark] Just kidding...

Vote: Peace

[bgrishinko]

lol

[Yates]

So I'm assuming this is the sad excuse for a case you want me to trust and lynch Peace? Caaaussse, I didn't see any other case made. In fact I went back and re-read Peace's Day 1 and 2 and he was nothing but consistent about thinking that Cloud was scum from early on. First you randomly interject Peace's name into a vote by Tiinker on Cloud that mentions Razen. Then you mention Despo's random linking of Cloud and Peace which was a stretch to begin with. Then your "clear distancing/bussing" post that is clear evidence is dying mafia WIFOM and isn't worth much of anything one way or another.

You guys really need to learn to spoiler.

 

Anyway, yes. That's my "sad excuse" for a case.

 

I can't help that you aren't reading Peace as scum right now based on his Day 1 and Day 2 play. That's on you. What I can do is help you put the puzzle pieces together like so:

 

1. Why was Tiinker killed? He didn't really post very much content. One thing he did do is claim Raze had a point [ie Town points] in the quoted post.

 

2. You need to actually read Des's post to see how and why Peace and Cloud are tied together. It's way too much for me to highlight here.

 

3. Killing Des, a claimed Vig, didn't make a whole lot of sense as a good scum move. I can't put in the amount of effort required to get involved in this theory discussion but it simply doesn't. Given this FACT, I had to believe he was being killed for a reason. The only reason to kill a claimed Vig is if you think they are going to target a member of your team. With cloud gone, who was Des going to target? I'll wait. Nah. Just kidding. It would have been Peace. As evidenced by the quote presented.

 

4. You don't think it's interesting that Cloud called Peace scummy but never voted Peace? Heck, you claim Peace was all over Cloud's case Days 1 and 2, right? So why would he FoS Peace but never vote him? Who does that? Oh right. Scum buddies trying to distance.

 

So when you look at it, not so sad after all...

[Verbal32]

Wait.....THAT was your defense?!  It was worse than my case!!!!!  I'll expound....

[Yates]

Wait.....THAT was your defense?!  It was worse than my case!!!!!  I'll expound....

What can I say. Crapty cases require an equal level of crapty response.

[WWWwombat]

Offficial Vote Count:

 

Razen (3/9): Peace, Dap, Rorschache

Krak (1/9): Chuckles

Hally (1/9): Mish

Peace (1/9): Yates

Yates (2/9): Verb, BG

 

Not Voting (8/16):

Razen, Krak, Ree, Serra, Hally, Tina, Nol, Lenlo

[WWWwombat]

1 Day, 3 Hours, 1 Minute

[Verbal32]

 

 

So I'll ask again - are those the MAJOR points of your case? Yes or No?

Yes.

 

1. Struck me as trying to quickly gain the town cred by trying to figure out the vig/SK mystery at the time.

- It strikes you as scummy that someone wants to figure out if there were two kills because of an SK or a Vig? Is this legit or something you are making up to fit the read? This would make sense if you were accusing me of being an SK [which I'm obviously not] but not if you thought I was scum.

 

2. Cop-direction that I called out immediately - I don't like those types of plays, as they reek of scum.

- Well, I disagree with how you would handle that. When we didn't know if Des was an SK or Vig, figuring out his alignment was of paramount importance.

 

3. Me questioning his faulty logic of having to shoot scum.

- Sorry that you can't follow logic. Barring an innocent investigation, Des shooting another Town after not shooting one of his two preferred scum targets would have looked terrible and I would have been the conductor on the "Des is an SK" train. Thus, he HAD to shoot scum. That's simple math.

 

4. This is more a gut feel, and not a solid piece of evidence, I'll admit.

- Well, there's no defense for gut. As with BG, you've both seen me spin as scum. So I can appreciate a little aprehension surrounding my slot. Heck, I'd be surprised if I wasn't one of the earlier investigation targets in each of these threads given my record. They will all tell you the same thing - Yates is Town. That's coming from the mod - not your gut.

 

 

5. Initially I thought this might help his case a little[saying Des had that day and night to prove he's Town and to shoot scum], but then I'm thinking it was intentional.

- Really, this is the same argument as 3. Des claimed a vettable role. I wanted him to prove it or be vetted.

 

6. offsite meta

- Is really a continuation of 5. Since I don't have a history here I had to point to offsite meta to illustrate how I would handle a vig claim as scum. That was really less for you and more for the other MSers to comment on. Speaking of which, MSers should comment on that.

 

7. pointing out how he's contradicting himself [i said scum did us a favor - he's trying to say I'm painting that kill in a "positive light"], which is a major scumtell usually.

- This is the misrep, actually. I never contradicted myself. I said scum "did us a favor" by shooting Des rather than letting him live and prove he was a vig and not an SK. That's not even REMOTELY the same as saying I was happy scum shot the vig. That's trying to understand the motivation behind scum shooting someone that could potentially help their team either via directly shooting another Townie [he DID shoot the JK] or indirectly becoming mislynch bait.

 

 

8. Almost forgot - being super helpful

- What can I say? I'm a helpful guy. Was I super helpful as scum? No? Then move along.

 

Unvote

Vote: Verbal

 

[snark] Just kidding...

Vote: Peace

 

 

1.  You missed the point.  We knew it was either a SK or vig.  I'm saying that the way you were making that the #1 objective.  For scum, however, that would be the #1 objective.  For a townie, not really.  We make sure we know who the vig is shooting - if they shoot somebody else, guess what?  They die.  Effectively turns the SK into a vig.  But mafia on the other hand, they need to know.  A SK will scumhunt early, but can't decimate mafia as they need townies to die - they need bodies to hit the floor.  About midgame is when the SK really starts trying to shoot scum.  But that is not relevant - if Des was SK, we would have known with minimal town loss at that point.  Your focus seemed over the top.

 

2.  Figuring out his alignment was important, but see my #1 above.  Besides, if scum had a watcher or something, you'd easily ID the Cop by directing them where you want.  Like I said it was "subtle" Cop direction, which imo is scummier than obvious Cop direction.

 

3.  I can follow logic just fine - problem is, you aren't using it here.  Actually, you're kinda making my point for me (see #1 again).  The way you phrased that - he has to shoot scum, is silly.  If he called out he was shooting player A, and he shot player A (assume town didn't object), and player A flipped town, by your logic we'd be lynching him for it.  That's crap.  He didn't have to shoot scum.....he simply had to shoot who the town wanted him to.  I know you're defending by saying he didn't shoot his reads, and that is true.  I disagree with how Des played the role, but that doesn't mean you autolynch a vig that misses twice.  Logic my behind.

 

4.  I was willing to completely drop this until you used the "oh I bet Cop already viewed me" defense.  Damn.  That work for you on MS?  To me, it is a very flimsy defense - more flimsy than my case was....you're providing some stability to it, thanks.

 

5.  Dropping this one - it is essentially a repeat, as you noted.

 

6.  Not dropping this, and not related to #5.  Using offsite meta is just bush league.  You are using your play in 2 isolated environments as if we're supposed to blindly believe your meta from one holds true in another.  I again refer to my example on how I play on JN - very different from my DM play.  This point of defense from you is nonexistent.

 

7.  You absolutely DID contradict yourself.  Not embedding that into this post - I'll call this one out (again) separately.

 

8.  Were you super helpful as scum?  Yes!  You acted the part as scum.  Ulterior motives obviously were something else, but not the front you presented to town.  That you're dismissing this as a non-factor makes me think it fits.

[Verbal32]

 

I can see a Vengeful killer wanting to get lynched...

What's weird about this is that both scum flips in both threads just happened to be vengeful?  Neither of them appeared to TRY to get themselves lynched.  I guess what I'm saying is it will be interesting to see if the first scum flip in the last thread flips vengeful as well.  Another one of those patterns to track.

 

 

What a helpful guy!  <3

[Verbal32]

 

 

I do NOT play the same on JN that I play here.  My meta is different as a result (mostly).  You could easily do the same.

I *could* but it doesn't change the fact I would want that extra kill.  It also doesn't change the fact I would want a potential SK to be the lynch target the following day.  Again, the point you are missing is that scum killing Des potentially did us a favor.  Scum aren't known for doing Town favors.  So it had to be self-serving to some extent.  I maintain that points to Nolder scum as Des and I were both confident in Cloud-Nolder as scum in this thread.  Cloud scum wouldn't care if Des took a shot at Nolder Town and would likely let him live to take the shot.

 

 

 

 

But I would not really view this situation in as positive a light as you appear to be.

I said nothing about this being a positive light.  Scum got in an extra kill and I'm glad it removed some wifom.  BUT, it is worth noting that they DID remove wifom and you are either scum or kidding yourself if you don't think that's significant.

 

 

So the "potentially did us a favor" is not spinning something into a positive light?  No?  A 'favor' appears to sound pretty damn positive to me.

 

It didn't really remove WIFOM - it just cleared up whether Des was SK or vig.  You are waayyyy off in this thread.  I'd suggest killing me now - I'll be leading your lynch tomorrow.

 

 

This post points out the contradiction.

 

Yates says scum did us a favor.  Then Yates says he said nothing about it being in a positive light.

 

 

Hey, maybe I'm being too technical here, but a favor sure sounds positive to me.  Dunno about you, Scum Yates.  Maybe Town Yates might have agreed with me, but Scum Yates sure wants to dismiss most of what I'm saying.

 

;-)

[Verbal32]

Your turn, Yates.  Please make the next defense better than the first.  Thx!

 

Oh wait....maybe I'm the one defending?  No, no...you just used the wrong word by accident.  Aha.  My mistake.

 

Either way, you're up.  I'm enjoying your dance moves.  Too many spins in your moves, but hey - I'm no critic*.

 

 

 

 

 

* Oh.  Maybe I am.

[Yates]

1.  You missed the point.  We knew it was either a SK or vig.  I'm saying that the way you were making that the #1 objective.  For scum, however, that would be the #1 objective.  For a townie, not really.  We make sure we know who the vig is shooting - if they shoot somebody else, guess what?  They die.  Effectively turns the SK into a vig.  But mafia on the other hand, they need to know.  A SK will scumhunt early, but can't decimate mafia as they need townies to die - they need bodies to hit the floor.  About midgame is when the SK really starts trying to shoot scum.  But that is not relevant - if Des was SK, we would have known with minimal town loss at that point.  Your focus seemed over the top.

 

- LOL.  Wow.  I hope we don't really have to have this conversation right now.  That's kind of another reason I linked to that offsite game.   There are literally PAGES dedicated to do we/don't we kill the SK.  You see, the underlined is not true EXPRESSLY BECAUSE of the bolded.  Frankly, I think you have it backwards.  Scum cares less than Town about the Vig because they ALSO want" bodies to hit the floor" - UNLESS the Vig has made it public that they are likely going to target a scum teammate. 

 

2.  Figuring out his alignment was important, but see my #1 above.  Besides, if scum had a watcher or something, you'd easily ID the Cop by directing them where you want.  Like I said it was "subtle" Cop direction, which imo is scummier than obvious Cop direction.

- Because "scum watcher" is a common role? 

- Also, I have just demonstrated why your point 1 blows.  You have it backwards.
 
3.  I can follow logic just fine - problem is, you aren't using it here.  Actually, you're kinda making my point for me (see #1 again).  The way you phrased that - he has to shoot scum, is silly.  If he called out he was shooting player A, and he shot player A (assume town didn't object), and player A flipped town, by your logic we'd be lynching him for it.  That's crap. 

- That *would* be crap.  But that's not what happened, is it?  Did we ever come to an agreement on who Des would shoot?  No?  Then your argument is worth slightly less than used toilet paper.  You are trying to introduce the "leashed SK" concept which I have already linked to as a bad idea for Town.  Excellent idea for scum to propose and support, though.
 
4.  I was willing to completely drop this until you used the "oh I bet Cop already viewed me" defense. 

- I don't even know what your point is anymore, TBH.
 
5.  Dropping this one - it is essentially a repeat, as you noted.

- K
 
6.  Not dropping this, and not related to #5.  Using offsite meta is just bush league. 

- As evidenced above, it actually isn't.  That offsite "meta" is also an example of how Town and Scum each viewed the concept of leashing an SK.  Since you know what everyone's alignments were, it's easy to see that the leashed SK concept was supported by scum and not supported by Town.  And the reasons for each stance should be obvious.
 
7.  You absolutely DID contradict yourself.  Not embedding that into this post - I'll call this one out (again) separately.

- I'm waiting with baited breath for you to expand on your misrep.
 
8.  Were you super helpful as scum?  Yes!  You acted the part as scum.  Ulterior motives obviously were something else, but not the front you

- I don't recall being super helpful as scum.  That said, I'm also super helpful as Town.  *shrug*  Disprove it.

[Yates]

Yates says scum did us a favor.  Then Yates says he said nothing about it being in a positive light.

 

 

Hey, maybe I'm being too technical here, but a favor sure sounds positive to me. 

There's that misrep.  At least you admit to misrepping me and quoted the posts in question. 

[Yates]

Your turn, Yates.  Please make the next defense better than the first.  Thx!

 

Oh wait....maybe I'm the one defending?  No, no...you just used the wrong word by accident.  Aha.  My mistake.

 

Either way, you're up.  I'm enjoying your dance moves.  Too many spins in your moves, but hey - I'm no critic*.

See this right here?  Not going to fly.  I'm not Des.  ;)

 

It actually makes you look pretty bad for trying to bait a response.

[Yates]

@BG - Does 603 make a little more sense?  Or are you going to hitch your wagon to Verb, here?

[bgrishinko]

 

So I'm assuming this is the sad excuse for a case you want me to trust and lynch Peace? Caaaussse, I didn't see any other case made. In fact I went back and re-read Peace's Day 1 and 2 and he was nothing but consistent about thinking that Cloud was scum from early on. First you randomly interject Peace's name into a vote by Tiinker on Cloud that mentions Razen. Then you mention Despo's random linking of Cloud and Peace which was a stretch to begin with. Then your "clear distancing/bussing" post that is clear evidence is dying mafia WIFOM and isn't worth much of anything one way or another.

You guys really need to learn to spoiler.

 

Anyway, yes. That's my "sad excuse" for a case.

 

I can't help that you aren't reading Peace as scum right now based on his Day 1 and Day 2 play. That's on you. What I can do is help you put the puzzle pieces together like so:

 

1. Why was Tiinker killed? He didn't really post very much content. One thing he did do is claim Raze had a point [ie Town points] in the quoted post.

Could be, but that's info for avoiding Razen's lynch not for promoting Peace's. Point is the linking of Tiinker's death to Peace via Razen is really streching it and has no real relevance on why we should lynch Peace.

 

2. You need to actually read Des's post to see how and why Peace and Cloud are tied together. It's way too much for me to highlight here.

So do you. Despo's connection of Peace and Cloud are inconsistent. He claims that Peace linked Leelou and Cloud as scum buddies in order to make leelou look bad for when Cloud goes down and is sacrificed (setting up a lynch), but then Leelou was NK'd so he revises his opinion that maybe it was to take pressure off of Cloud. After all, if Leelou and Cloud are linked and Leelou is town, Cloud must be too! But that doesn't make sense with Peace's still consistent push on Cloud at that point. If Peace NK'd Leelou to take pressure off Cloud, why would Peace still be pressuring Cloud? Despo's case is not a good case. I think you are just trying to rely on dead town's word as holy truth acting as your alibi. I think Despo made bad points.

3. Killing Des, a claimed Vig, didn't make a whole lot of sense as a good scum move. I can't put in the amount of effort required to get involved in this theory discussion but it simply doesn't. Given this FACT, I had to believe he was being killed for a reason. The only reason to kill a claimed Vig is if you think they are going to target a member of your team. With cloud gone, who was Des going to target? I'll wait. Nah. Just kidding. It would have been Peace. As evidenced by the quote presented. This is possibility, that could be true, I admit. But Vigs are dangerous to mafia all the time. I prefer them deaded as soon as possible as mafia personally.

4. You don't think it's interesting that Cloud called Peace scummy but never voted Peace? Heck, you claim Peace was all over Cloud's case Days 1 and 2, right? So why would he FoS Peace but never vote him? Who does that? Oh right. Scum buddies trying to distance. Like I said, its dying mafia WIFOM. Cloud's been around the block enough times to wreck havok when going down. His vote didn't really matter at the time except to introduce WIFOM. Simple strategy is to vote your teammate to distance. Intermediate is to FoS your teammate but vote someone else to introduce WIFOM. Advanced strategy, says "Screw it - everyone knows the basic and intermediate moves, I'm just going to screw with everyone by doing something random." Cloud's a clever player. Your arguement is based on the fact that Cloud thought he might be able to save himself so he wouldn't vote his teammate. Weak arguement.

 

So when you look at it, not so sad after all...

 

Still sad...

 

[Yates]

To point 4 - Cloud wasn't all that clever with Verb and I.  Just saying...

[Pralaya]

Unvote Razen

 

TIll I look for a clear read on the stuff

[Verbal32]

 

 

Your turn, Yates. Please make the next defense better than the first. Thx!

 

Oh wait....maybe I'm the one defending? No, no...you just used the wrong word by accident. Aha. My mistake.

 

Either way, you're up. I'm enjoying your dance moves. Too many spins in your moves, but hey - I'm no critic*.

See this right here? Not going to fly. I'm not Des. ;)

 

It actually makes you look pretty bad for trying to bait a response.

Not at all. It was me toying with you. I'm glad you don't fall for the easy stuff. Makes this more worthwhile.

 

Be back soon with how you decided to ignore the points I made and spin them into counter points.

[Verbal32]

1.  You missed the point.  We knew it was either a SK or vig.  I'm saying that the way you were making that the #1 objective.  For scum, however, that would be the #1 objective.  For a townie, not really.  We make sure we know who the vig is shooting - if they shoot somebody else, guess what?  They die.  Effectively turns the SK into a vig.  But mafia on the other hand, they need to know.  A SK will scumhunt early, but can't decimate mafia as they need townies to die - they need bodies to hit the floor.  About midgame is when the SK really starts trying to shoot scum.  But that is not relevant - if Des was SK, we would have known with minimal town loss at that point.  Your focus seemed over the top.

 

- LOL.  Wow.  I hope we don't really have to have this conversation right now.  That's kind of another reason I linked to that offsite game.   There are literally PAGES dedicated to do we/don't we kill the SK.  You see, the underlined is not true EXPRESSLY BECAUSE of the bolded.  Frankly, I think you have it backwards.  Scum cares less than Town about the Vig because they ALSO want" bodies to hit the floor" - UNLESS the Vig has made it public that they are likely going to target a scum teammate. 

 

2.  Figuring out his alignment was important, but see my #1 above.  Besides, if scum had a watcher or something, you'd easily ID the Cop by directing them where you want.  Like I said it was "subtle" Cop direction, which imo is scummier than obvious Cop direction.

- Because "scum watcher" is a common role? 

- Also, I have just demonstrated why your point 1 blows.  You have it backwards.

 

3.  I can follow logic just fine - problem is, you aren't using it here.  Actually, you're kinda making my point for me (see #1 again).  The way you phrased that - he has to shoot scum, is silly.  If he called out he was shooting player A, and he shot player A (assume town didn't object), and player A flipped town, by your logic we'd be lynching him for it.  That's crap. 

- That *would* be crap.  But that's not what happened, is it?  Did we ever come to an agreement on who Des would shoot?  No?  Then your argument is worth slightly less than used toilet paper.  You are trying to introduce the "leashed SK" concept which I have already linked to as a bad idea for Town.  Excellent idea for scum to propose and support, though.

 

6.  Not dropping this, and not related to #5.  Using offsite meta is just bush league. 

- As evidenced above, it actually isn't.  That offsite "meta" is also an example of how Town and Scum each viewed the concept of leashing an SK.  Since you know what everyone's alignments were, it's easy to see that the leashed SK concept was supported by scum and not supported by Town.  And the reasons for each stance should be obvious.

 

You're grouping these all into 1 defense, and it is wrong.  I'm calling you out for several reasons, but you're trying to lump them into what boils down to a difference of opinion from 1 site to the next.  I'll grant you a partial defense on that, but not full.  I'll repost cleanly the overall points.

[Verbal32]

 

Yates says scum did us a favor.  Then Yates says he said nothing about it being in a positive light.

 

 

Hey, maybe I'm being too technical here, but a favor sure sounds positive to me. 

There's that misrep.  At least you admit to misrepping me and quoted the posts in question. 

 

 

Not a misrep.  You said it was a favor.  Then you spoke of the situation being in a positive light.  I called that a contradiction.  You seems to disagree.

[bgrishinko]

To point 4 - Cloud wasn't all that clever with Verb and I.  Just saying...

 

 Fair enough. Though he wasn't a vengeful killer in that game either so he had more incentive to stay alive. I have been scummates with him at least 3 times I can remember and while he tends to get lynched easily, he usually goes out in decent blazes of glory making it a helpful death.

[Nolder]

Alright as much as I'd love to ignore this game and just stick with the other one because I'm finding it more interesting I can't leave you guys hanging so I'm gonna start my reread today but no guarantees on finishing it. Might do half today and half tomorrow. Before I start is there anything that needs my immediate attention? Last thing I remember was Razen claimed doctor I think.

[Verbal32]

WHY YATES IS SCUM:

 

1.  Cop direction is bad.  Subtle Cop direction is even worse, and scummy.  Yates did the latter.

 

2.  Trying to focus on the SK or vig issue instead of using what we had.  I don't care about leashed SKs (although I support the idea as town moreso than as scum - we should debate this after the game!), but you were trying too hard here to be the problem-solver.  It pinged.  Nuff said.

 

3.  The "Cop probably viewed me already" defense.  Bush league.  Hardly ever used by a townie.  Nuff said.

 

4.  Contradicting himself.  He'll mark this as some sort of misrep, but check the quotes.  They don't lie.  Nor do my hips, but that's another story altogether.

 

5. Offsite meta.  Just bad.  You can't shoehorn something from a different site with different rules, interpretations, players, mods, even roles sometimes.  You can't compare them, yet Yates keeps trying to push this Town Yates and Scum Yates thing.  He should be allowing a meta to develop on DM, but instead he'll have you trying to take another.  Classic round peg, square hole mentality.

 

 

There you have it, Yates - my top 5.  I even left out the "super helpful townie" routine you're running, because that argument would devolve into semantics, so I'll agree to drop.

 

The funny thing is that each item on its own is probably worthy to drop -- if it was alone -- but when you add them together, they should a subtle scum game played by Yates.

 

 

 

Choo-choo?

[Verbal32]

 

 

Yates says scum did us a favor.  Then Yates says he said nothing about it being in a positive light.

 

 

Hey, maybe I'm being too technical here, but a favor sure sounds positive to me. 

There's that misrep.  At least you admit to misrepping me and quoted the posts in question. 

 

 

Not a misrep.  You said it was a favor.  Then you spoke of the situation being in a positive light.  I called that a contradiction.  You seems to disagree.

 

 

To correct - I'm the one that mentioned a positive light after he said "favor".  Then he responded by saying he didn't say anything about positive light.......while true those exact words didn't get typed by him, you can't discount the easy interpretation of a favor = something positive for town.  Simple as that.