November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

[michellem]

For the thing you thought Dap was town for, Raz did the same thing just a moment later, why the difference?

 

Peace, not Dap. You said you found Peace scummy. I posted a long post about why I thought he wasn't mafia. You really aren't paying attention are you?

 

 

 

Gee, thanks Nolder, it's the first time I do something like this /sarcasm. Really. Wich games have we played together again? I've had a few bad games every now and then, when RL and the game has clashed and I'm not able to keep up. But mostly I'm active, poke people, posts reads and thoughts... But I've always said it takes me a gameday or two to get into things. I have never made a habit out of lurking or fluff-posting.

[Nolder]

I dunno if it's the first time but you definitely don't do it often. At least not around me.

 

A quick check tells me we've been in DPR's Ghost mafia, Enter The Dragon, US Presidents, Hanger 18, Kae/Key Game of Thrones, A Long Walk, Repo, Halloween mafia, Darthe's mafia, and a few on JN recently. There are probably others, I didn't look very long.

 

You have a habit of being a low content poster. I am not trying to be a jerk I'm just telling you what I've experienced as someone who has played with you in the past more than a few times. Again, I'm glad that maybe that's changing. You made a good case. I'm sorry if you see this as a backhanded compliment because it's really not meant to be. Just keep up that kind of gameplay and I promise you the reputation of low content poster will be gone. Well at least as far as I'm concerned.

[Hallia]

 

Me?

 

I've been saying for ages that I thought cloud was mafia on this thread

(This is T2 right?)

 

Yes, this is thread 2.  And that is the same conclusion that I've been drawing.  I'll be back in a bit with quotes.  Right here; this is one of the reasons I am disinclined now to vote for him

 

 

What I was referring to.

[michellem]

Hallia, I'll tackle this in the morning. You are just making matters worse and worse for yourself. But it's now 4am and I really want to sleep.

[Hallia]

I think you're overexaggerating, and not getting my point. O.o  

[dapianoplay3r]

vote raz

 

Mish I'm so proud of you :)

All I really have to add is Raz links peace with cloud. I don't think you really covered that but I thought it was worth pointing out (it's at the end of that giant post so I won't quote it)

[Lenlo]

Wow. Best case ive seen so far in these threads and it looks good to me.

 

Vote Razen

 

Someone that bugs me: Hallia. In almost every thread she looks like shes just skating by and posting agreeable comments, nothing to risky nothing that might get questioned or get her looked at.

[Hallia]

I'm disagreeing with the majority of people right now O.o That ah, doesn't coincide with what you're saying.

[Pralaya]

Razen voting Cloud when it was sure that Cloud will be lynched and Cloud voting Razen back seems like a smart set-up to hide Razen.

 

vote Razen 

[Darthe]

Offficial Vote Count:

 

Razen (7/9): Mish, Verb, Peace, Nol, Dap, Len, Rorschache

Krak (1/9): Chuckles

 

Not Voting (8/16):

Yates, BG, Razen, Krak, Tina, Ree, Serra, Hally

[michellem]

Hallia; I have bolded the relevant parts of the posts.

 

 

Reading up, halfway now, looks like I'lll maybe will have time to finish before I have to go. Still got three hours before it's time to catch the bus, but I also gotta eat and shower and make-up and stuff. I'll do my very best though.

 

Found out who was the second person who pinged me D1 (who'd I'd forgotten about again when I wrote my first post, I remembered it was Cloud and someone else, but now who), and it was Peace, for his trying to very hard to connect Ishy/Leelou/Cloud. It seemed to me that one of them must be mafia, and he was trying to make it so that the two townies would go down when the mafia went down. But considering the mafia shot Leelou N1, and it was especially Leelou and Cloud he tried to connect, that theory falls flat, and so I've placed him in the town box as of page 17 at least. Others I have town feels on are Dap, for starting to push on Cloud early and harder that most; although that one is a bit of a double-edged sword; it could be a gambit considering Cloud was Vengeful killer and so probably the best candidate for an early gambit, considering he would take a townie down with him.

 

Back with more thoughts when I'm completly finished

I make a posts about why I don't think Peace is mafia.

 

Going back and rereading has changed my mind as far as Raz goes.  Raz was right alongside Dap in calling Cloud mafia.  So  Raz went through and made

 

<edited out Raz' huge post>

 

Raz makes good points, and isn't nearly as scummy as he I thought he was.  The reread was helpful.  Peace and Chuckles are the two I'm leaning towards as scum, with Mish, Dap, Raz, and Purr sticking out to me as town.

You say you think Peace is scum, without giving a reason.

 

Really Hallia? You find that more scummy than Razen? Really? And Peace; did you even read my post about how it's unlikely he's mafia?

I ask if you read my post about Peace

 

For the thing you thought Dap was town for, Raz did the same thing just a moment later, why the difference?

You start talking about Dap.

 

 

For the thing you thought Dap was town for, Raz did the same thing just a moment later, why the difference?

 

Peace, not Dap. You said you found Peace scummy. I posted a long post about why I thought he wasn't mafia. You really aren't paying attention are you?

 

 

 

Gee, thanks Nolder, it's the first time I do something like this /sarcasm. Really. Wich games have we played together again? I've had a few bad games every now and then, when RL and the game has clashed and I'm not able to keep up. But mostly I'm active, poke people, posts reads and thoughts... But I've always said it takes me a gameday or two to get into things. I have never made a habit out of lurking or fluff-posting.

 

I point out that I was talking about Peace

 

 

 

Me?

I've been saying for ages that I thought cloud was mafia on this thread
(This is T2 right?)

 

Yes, this is thread 2.  And that is the same conclusion that I've been drawing.  I'll be back in a bit with quotes.  Right here; this is one of the reasons I am disinclined now to vote for him

 

 

What I was referring to.

 

 

And you start talking about Dap again.

 

 

So I'll ask you one last time:

 

Why do you find Peace suspicious? Did you take into consideration my thoughts on him? If so, what is it you disagree with?

[michellem]

vote raz

 

Mish I'm so proud of you :)

All I really have to add is Raz links peace with cloud. I don't think you really covered that but I thought it was worth pointing out (it's at the end of that giant post so I won't quote it)

 

Yeah I think I forgot to mention that. So many other things to say :P

[Niniel]

Your case is rather convincing. Vote Razen

 

L-1 I belive. 

[Niniel]

To that I may add that I don´t think Peace is mafia either. I think I wrote that in an earlier post. 

[michellem]

I almost wanna unvote and wait for someone else to vote, and then hammer him. I so rarely get the hammer vote on people I'm 99% sure is mafia

[Niniel]

lol

[Razen]

I'm the Town Doctor.  I need to go back and pull quotes right now so I can fully respond to that case.

[Niniel]

Unvote.

 

Let´s hear.

[Razen]

To begin with, he has very short posts, without much content. I'll follow up with a post with all his posts in the game after this one if I have time, if not ya'll have to wait until tomorrow (or find them yourself). He votes without giving reasons and generally slides by quite a bit. Then suddenly we come to day 2. Razen gets super-chatty, at least compared to earlier, and makes a whole case on Cloud. Now I think the mafia wanted Cloud to get lynched D2; he had a vengeful killer-role after all, and that is only useful if he does indeed get lynched. So razen jumps on with a case early D2 for some town cred. Now, Des is dead, but I trust his insticts alot when I know he's town, and he was on Razen quite a lot D2. He pointed out that (t the time of that post), Razen had 2 and 3 posts in the other threads, but 8 in this.

 

For starters, by saying that she trusts Des' instincts a lot when he flips town, she is forgetting a big portion of what he said.

 

TL;DR: So yeah, Peace is actually tied to Cloud pretty tremendously. This makes Cloud a perfect info lynch for this thread. He flips scum, and that makes Peace look worse. He flips town, and then it looks a lot more like either Dap or Razen (or both, which could end up easily being the case) were trying to frame him and killed Leelou to make it happen.

 

Unvote, Vote Cloud

 

Here, Des says that if Cloud flipped scum, he'd think that Peace could use more looking into if Cloud flipped scum.  Which, he did.  And yet, Mish seems to go on a lot about how she feels that Peace is town actually.  Also, he said that BOTH myself and Dap could be trying to frame him.  He had Dap up there just as much as he did me regarding that framing Cloud theory.  I believe it's still relevant, because the mafia would have known that Cloud was a vengeful killer and thus would want him to get lynched.

 

 

 

 

 

Quoted because Peace pulls out the early votes from both Leelou and Ishy on Cloud and casts them as early and bogus distancing. What I find interesting is now, Leelou and Ishy are both dead.  I don't know if that's coincidental or not, but I do find it interesting that he singled them out and that they're now both dead.

It would have to be coincidental that BOTH died - unless you think the scum can talk to the 2nd anti-Town party.

 

 

I would agree that it has to be coincidental that they both died.  What I'm getting at is the fact that Peace picked them out specifically in his post because they voted Cloud with no reason at the time and cast it as a distancing maneuver.  Suddenly, they're dead.  I meant it more along the lines of is it coincidental that Peace mentioned them both in his post, calling them out for unexplained votes on Cloud and now they're dead?  Or is that the exact reason that they ended up dead?

 

 

 

To me it looks like a frame up of me.  If Cloud is scum and people believed my opinion of early distancing then his team may hope that Leelou flipping town would show my case invalid and therefore make him look less suspicious.  If he was worried that he would be lynched before Leelou he would want her dead.

 

VOTE CLOUD

 

 

Nope, nope, nope. You're inexorably tied to Cloud now Bro. You're the one who linked yourself to him, and you were the only one reaching so much as to say that Leelou and Cloud could be a scum team. Don't think anyone else thought that really.

 

Imo, you saw Cloud getting some early heat, so you wanted to try your hardest to establish some early links between him and other players. You linked Leelou AND Ishy to him, and both of those flipped town. You trying to build those links on shaky ground (you used the word "distancing" a GOOOOOD bit) has condemned yourself.

 

As for why you killed Leelou, I'm thinking that instead of a frame job, you figured BECAUSE she wasn't that vocal, that maybe people might forget that she was one of the early pushers on Cloud, and that her flipping town might additionally help make Cloud look slightly less scummy because of your attempt at linking.

 

 

Another post from Despo - and this one has Peace tied to Cloud's flip.  Again.  It seemed to me that Despo believed that if Cloud had flipped scum, Peace would be scum as well.  So, if she did trust his instincts, then why isn't she considering what he said about Peace as well?

 

Now, to address the other stuff.

 

Reading up, halfway now, looks like I'lll maybe will have time to finish before I have to go. Still got three hours before it's time to catch the bus, but I also gotta eat and shower and make-up and stuff. I'll do my very best though.

 

Found out who was the second person who pinged me D1 (who'd I'd forgotten about again when I wrote my first post, I remembered it was Cloud and someone else, but now who), and it was Peace, for his trying to very hard to connect Ishy/Leelou/Cloud. It seemed to me that one of them must be mafia, and he was trying to make it so that the two townies would go down when the mafia went down. But considering the mafia shot Leelou N1, and it was especially Leelou and Cloud he tried to connect, that theory falls flat, and so I've placed him in the town box as of page 17 at least. Others I have town feels on are Dap, for starting to push on Cloud early and harder that most; although that one is a bit of a double-edged sword; it could be a gambit considering Cloud was Vengeful killer and so probably the best candidate for an early gambit, considering he would take a townie down with him.

 

If you feel that Dap is town for pushing Cloud earlier than most, isn't it possible that he could have known from the beginning that Cloud was a vengeful killer?  Pushing Cloud early gets him a lot of town cred because it looks like he's scumhunting and when it turns out that he's right, makes him look even better.  A pretty good position for scum to be in.

 

Really Hallia? You find that more scummy than Razen? Really? And Peace; did you even read my post about how it's unlikely he's mafia?

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down.  You never said it was unlikely that Peace was mafia.  I bolded what you said above. You said you had him your town column as of page 17 because of the kill on Leelou.  That's two completely different things.  And you never did comment on what Des said about Peace being linked to Cloud.  Let it be known Hally is the only person you pushed against because she actually reread and saw something in a different context that you did.  Chuckles also voted elsewhere, and yet you didn't even comment about what he said about Krak.  Why is that?  Especially because you cast my bringing up Krak in one of your points as distracting from scum hunting.

 

Part 3:

 

 

Something else that stuck out to me:

 

 

 

Why would the Csarmi train take off so fast. Did I miss something?

Not much.....just the main event in all 3 threads.......

 

>_>

 

 

That and Yates being a Dillhole.

 

This is after a lot of people shift over to Csarmi for his comment about the trap. Yet, he places his vote on Yates. Seems like a joke to me. But I find it odd that he had nothing to say about the Csarmi situation at the time. Or at least not in this thread. In fact, at the final vote count, he left that same vote all day.

Official Vote Count FINAL VC:

 

Yates (1/12): Krak

Cloud (1/12): Ishy

Salami (12/12): Nol, Cloud, Yates, Verb, Leelou, Chuckles, Razen, Dap, Laya, Serra, BG, Des

Dap (1/12): Crush

BG (1/12): Salami

 

Not Voting (7/23):

Mishh, Hally, Lenlo, Peace, Tiink, Tina, Ree

 

SCENE INCOMING

Interesting. Ishy explained he wanted nothing to do with the tri-lynch theory, Csarmi's not going to vote himself (yet), and Crusher used mostly the same logic that Ishy did regarding the tri-lynch. But where's Krak in all of this?

 

Trying to paint a bit of scum on Krak, a player nobody's really paying attention to so far; seems like an attempt to distract town.

 

For the thing you thought Dap was town for, Raz did the same thing just a moment later, why the difference?

 

Even though this is not in answer to your question about Peace, Mish, I find that it does have some merit in the me vs. Dap scenario.  A lot of your case on me is based on the fact that a) I posted a huge case on Cloud, who flipped vengeful killer, and b) that I believed that your theory about Dap had some merit.  And yet, you seem content to ignore what Dap posted on Cloud.  A lot of the same motivations that you use to paint me as scum, you can easily use to case Dap for the same thing.  And yet you're silent on him and have tunneled on me.  I'm not done either.

[Razen]

There's a lot of sheep hopping onto my train by just saying - good case Mish.  Not offering anything more than that.  But that's no big deal.

 

vote raz

Mish I'm so proud of you :)
All I really have to add is Raz links peace with cloud. I don't think you really covered that but I thought it was worth pointing out (it's at the end of that giant post so I won't quote it)

 

Why is he so proud of Mish for her case?  That's a creepy line, IMO, like he's trying to stay out of her sights by complimenting her on her case.  Especially because most of what she cased me on could have easily applied to him.  And it wasn't me that linked Peace with Cloud - Peace did a pretty good job of it himself, and Des was following up on that as well.

 

Wow. Best case ive seen so far in these threads and it looks good to me.

 

Vote Razen

 

Someone that bugs me: Hallia. In almost every thread she looks like shes just skating by and posting agreeable comments, nothing to risky nothing that might get questioned or get her looked at.

 

Lenlo just hops on with the same old good case Mish and says that Hallia's being too agreeable in general.  Which, if he's even been paying attention the last couple of pages of this thread at least, is definitely not the case.  Seeing as she's the only person that was not voting for me (even though she did so initially) and is pushing Mish on her case, I don't think that's being agreeable. If you're going to try and paint someone as scummy for toeing the line and not offering up anything risky, at least check to make sure it's right before you do so.   It looks to me like he's trying to hop on a train that he knows might end up with a townie lynched.  BAA.

 

Razen voting Cloud when it was sure that Cloud will be lynched and Cloud voting Razen back seems like a smart set-up to hide Razen.

 

vote Razen 

 

I like the way you think it through.  I can't control what Cloud did - and that exactly what it does look like, which is what I think he was betting on.  We know he was a vengeful killer, what about this scenario?  He votes me to look like he's distancing from me, so that I have a good chance of being run up today (saving themselves an NK in the process), while they kill the one person with the revenge kill (Des) that they know is telling the truth about killing Ishy, removing the kill they don't control.  If that's the case, then you're falling right into what the mafia want you to do.

[michellem]

I said I mostly trust Des' insticts, not always. Wich is why I didn't follow every thing he said.

 

Dap: In overall I have a town feel from him so far, even though he's done some questionable things. I already explained I put that out there about him to see who bit on it, because I know it was something mafia would love to jump on.

 

Hallia: I'm pressing on her because she did a total 180, first agreeing completly with me and then suddenly not. I tried to ask her if she'd read my thoughts on Peace, and how she decided he was probably mafia regardless; she didn't give any reasons, and when I tried to get her to give reasons, she kept talking about Dap.. (Also, when I said I had him as town up to page 17, it was because that was the page I was on in my re-read when I was writing that particular post; that hasn't changed. I still think he's town ) Her suddenly stepping up her posting after getting some presssure doesn't really help how I see her either.

 

 

When it comes to Chuckles, honestly I've just given up on him. I can't be bothered.

 

Razen, most of my case on you is that D1 you did nothing, threw in some votes without even bothering to give an explanation, and then suddenly D2 you start off with a huge case, on someone who flipped vengeful killer. Don't tell me you don't see where my suspicions come from? Your posts makes more sense now though, but I hope you'll start contributing more. Personally I'd like to know your reads and thoughts. You have good instincts and now that you're out in the open I hope you'll actually contribute.

 

 

Moving on.

 

unvote vote Hallia

[Nolder]

Unvote

[Yates]

I'm the Town Doctor.  I need to go back and pull quotes right now so I can fully respond to that case.

Not buying it. Who did you protect?

 

I'm feeling a Raz Hallia scum team in here.

[Hallia]

I probably stopped posting because it was nighttime on our side of the world and I was in bed?  I continued posting after you left for the night, so...that argument is invalid.

 

 

 

Desp..you need to re-read that whole interaction cause you've interpreted it wrong. My early thoughts were Leelou and Cloud were scum and Leelou's play came across as distancing from a scum partner.

That's exactly how I read it. It didn't look like distancing at all to me. I think you were trying to link them so that if your teammate (Cloud in this scenario) went down you could set Leelou up. Then that reasoning might have changed and you decided to kill Leelou in the hopes of keeping Cloud alive.

 

 

I could see your viewpoint on the first sentence...but that makes the next sentence completely whacky.  

 

For all your defense of peace, this is the last time he's posted, a few days ago.  For someone all up in arms about people lurking, why aren't you giving him any of this grief?  And Des made a good point right here as well.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Razen (5/9): Verb, Peace, Dap, Len, Pralaya

Krak (1/9): Chuckles

Hallia (1/9): Mish

 

Not Voting (9/16): Yates, BG, Razen, Krak, Ree, Serra, Hallia, Nolder, Tina

 

Deadline probably on Tuesday.