November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

[Yates]

...my problem with this is if he was an SK why would he come out and fess up to shooting Ishy the jailkeeper right when day started and we had no idea who did it?

I can't tell you why he did it. I can tell you *I* would do it for Town credit. If the scope of suspicion ever swung my way and I wanted to be able to wiggle out of the noose with a Vig claim, I wouldn't want to have to answer for why I didn't claim immediately on Day 2.

 

That said, he still has today and tonight to prove he's Town and to shoot scum. I'm willing to roll with it. We can deal with Des's claim tomorrow since we can only lynch 1 at a time. Heck, for all you know I actually believe Des's claim 100% and I'm leaving this out there so scum will think Des has a chance of being lynched tomorrow thus saving his hide tonight. See what I'm saying?

[bgrishinko]

Okay so I have a feeling I'm going to throw a few wrenches into some cogs, could end up getting myself lynched but meh.

 

Alright so first of all, it wasn't a SK who killed Ishy. It was the town Vig, who I happen to be. I found his post condemning me to be full of all kinds of mock outrage. Sucks that I made such a poor choice, since Jailkeeper is such a powerful role.

 

Anyways, this leads to my theory. I was going to hold onto it longer, but here goes. I already mentioned the OP's where Wombat dies in T1, alignment not quite clear (mebbe town? Says multiclass... /shrug), Darthe dies in T3, as mafia, and both die in T2 as apparently third party. But I also noticed another type of strange connection, something that I needed to verify with Csarlami's flips, which was another reason I pushed them. I am VT in both T1 and T3, but I am a Vig in T2. He turned out to be VT in T1 and T3, but was a BPV in this thread. Leelou flipped vanilla, so this isn't a kitchen sink game, but the fact is that out of the four roles that I know of, only one turned out to be vanilla. I think this is significant. Could be coincidence, but I don't feel it likely.

 

Overall tho, what I've said isn't really that impactful, but I do think there's more. The mods alignment flips in their death scenes in the OP tells me something else might be slightly unusual about this thread. Maybe it's that there is Cult in T1, Mafia in T3, and Cult AND Mafia in T2 (or Cultafia). This could partially explain why there are seemingly more roled townies in this thread.

 

So. Can anyone corroborate/disprove my theory?

 

As for today's lynch, this theory doesn't have a huge impact on who I would actually want to lynch, but here's the next thing. I too, found Cloud to be fairly scummy, and in fact still do. But Leelou's death gives me pause. She isn't a hugely vocal player, so I kind of doubt she would have been killed so as to silence her. She also was active enough to get her reads out, so she pretty obviously wasn't killed as an inactive townie that wouldn't give town much info. I didn't personally see any PR type hints, but I don't usually look out for that kind of thing.

 

This leads me to believe that she may have been killed as part of a frame job. The relatively quick train on Cloud does seem to support this somewhat.

 

As for the people on the train that I am immediately suspicious of, the only one that stands out right now is Razen. I am def not used to seeing cases that big from him, pretty much ever.

 

Before I place my vote however, I want to go back and check other members on the train, and see if I can dig up more on any of them or on Razen. That will have to wait until after audit however. Bbl

 

Despo is rolefishing here. Huge ol FoSy FoS for that. He's admitted to one of the deaths. Unless he allows us to control one of his kills by voting allowing us an effective 2 lynch scenario, I'm not trusting him one bit. 

 

That being said, even if he is SK, he has every right to scum hunt so his opinions on the game are still valid. 

 

I think that Cloud has tied himself up a bit looking at everyone's analysis. There are people connected to him and the justification for the RVS vote early on does seem off.

 

Let's finish this up.

 

Vote Cloud

[Yates]

FOS to you, my friend.

Ninjaed. See post 426. 

[Verbal32]

Cloud

Yates

Razen

 

In that order.

 

 

 

FOS to you, my friend.

Ninjaed. See post 426. 

 

 

Doesn't help.  I think you might be scum trying to ID whether that's a SK helping you clear the field, or a townie vig you need to take out now.  While I too want Des confirmed, I'm not about to suggest when that should happen.  That subtle Cop direction is a complete scumtell.

[Yates]

That being said, even if he is SK, he has every right to scum hunt so his opinions on the game are still valid. 

Yup.  An SK needs to get rid of scum and Town alike.  Now he has a little extra motivation to shoot straight.

[Verbal32]

SK will work with scum for a few phases - likewise, scum would do the same.  They both need town depleted before turning on each other.  The SK wants to scumhunt, yes, but he'll want the Cop dead first.

 

Or she.

[Yates]

That subtle Cop direction is a complete scumtell.

LOL - you make me laugh.  I'll tell you why after Cloud claims whatever he's going to claim.  YOU should know what I'm talking about [if you catch my drift].

[Yates]

SK will work with scum for a few phases - likewise, scum would do the same.  They both need town depleted before turning on each other.  The SK wants to scumhunt, yes, but he'll want the Cop dead first.

With Des already claiming, he has done the work for the scum team.  He's a sitting duck.  They know who he is but he doesn't know who they are.  At this point, he *HAS* to nail scum.  They might let him live in the hopes he takes out an extra Townie but once he nails one scum, they wont be able to let him live because he's too dangerous.  That's true, btw, if he's scum OR vig.

[Verbal32]

 

SK will work with scum for a few phases - likewise, scum would do the same.  They both need town depleted before turning on each other.  The SK wants to scumhunt, yes, but he'll want the Cop dead first.

With Des already claiming, he has done the work for the scum team.  He's a sitting duck.  They know who he is but he doesn't know who they are.  At this point, he *HAS* to nail scum.  They might let him live in the hopes he takes out an extra Townie but once he nails one scum, they wont be able to let him live because he's too dangerous.  That's true, btw, if he's scum OR vig.

 

 

Yes, which means he'll scumhunt with lynches and shoot who he thinks is the Cop.  Once the Cop is down, all bets are off.

[Yates]

Yes, which means he'll scumhunt with lynches and shoot who he thinks is the Cop.  Once the Cop is down, all bets are off.

Well, he doesn't know who the cop is yet or he would have shot the cop last night.  Obviously if he shoots the cop [or really any Town PR] tonight he gets turbo lynched tomorrow.  So this isn't really an argument.  This isn't an argument BECAUSE he HAS to shoot scum tonight to live through tomorrow.

[WWWwombat]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

Peace (1/11): Serra

Cloud (11/11): Yates, Dap, Razen, Tiink, Pralaya, Peace, Des, Tina, Verb, Lenlo, BG

Razen (1/11): Cloud

Not Voting (7/20): Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Nol, Crush, Krak, Ree

 

 

 

Scene might take a bit.  I got stuffs to write for T1 too.

[Verbal32]

 

Yes, which means he'll scumhunt with lynches and shoot who he thinks is the Cop.  Once the Cop is down, all bets are off.

Well, he doesn't know who the cop is yet or he would have shot the cop last night.  Obviously if he shoots the cop [or really any Town PR] tonight he gets turbo lynched tomorrow.  So this isn't really an argument.  This isn't an argument BECAUSE he HAS to shoot scum tonight to live through tomorrow.

 

 

Huh?  How so?  You give the vig 2 shots to hit scum before lynching them?  And I'm not saying he knows the Cop, or that he's even looking for the Cop......I'm saying that you are giving subtle Cop directions and it pings hard.

[Yates]

Huh?  How so?  You give the vig 2 shots to hit scum before lynching them?  And I'm not saying he knows the Cop, or that he's even looking for the Cop......I'm saying that you are giving subtle Cop directions and it pings hard.

Well, it's all moot now since Cloud is dead.  I wanted to see if Cloud would claim cop.  Existence of jailkeep makes likelihood of cop extremely remote.  So yeah, I was directing a role that I don't believe exists.

[bgrishinko]

 

Huh?  How so?  You give the vig 2 shots to hit scum before lynching them?  And I'm not saying he knows the Cop, or that he's even looking for the Cop......I'm saying that you are giving subtle Cop directions and it pings hard.

Well, it's all moot now since Cloud is dead.  I wanted to see if Cloud would claim cop.  Existence of jailkeep makes likelihood of cop extremely remote.  So yeah, I was directing a role that I don't believe exists.

 

Why?

[Yates]

Why?

Actually, good point.  I was thinking Jailer had an investigative utility but it's really just a Doctor-Roleblocker.  There goes that theory.

[Verbal32]

 

Huh?  How so?  You give the vig 2 shots to hit scum before lynching them?  And I'm not saying he knows the Cop, or that he's even looking for the Cop......I'm saying that you are giving subtle Cop directions and it pings hard.

Well, it's all moot now since Cloud is dead.  I wanted to see if Cloud would claim cop.  Existence of jailkeep makes likelihood of cop extremely remote.  So yeah, I was directing a role that I don't believe exists.

 

 

I know what you intended - I got the joke you made to me, knowing Cloud was our scummate last game.  I didn't expect the claim, though.  That said, I'm still thinking you wanted to Cop direct, and using your error (or not) of the jailkeeper role isn't backing you out of the FOS.  Pull my finger!!!

[WWWwombat]

Don Kay was in a bit of a spot.  The murders the night before had everyone frothing at the mouth.  Well, to be fair, it was just the one murder.  The constable.  No one in London really cared about nameless commoners drowning in the Thames, but a man of the Night Watch, well that was an affront to law and order.  Bloody hypocrites.  Anyways, someone had claimed they'd seen him acting suspicious the previous day in the area of the murder and that was enough to get the lynch mob going.  Nevermind that someone else had actually claimed responsibility for the death of the constable.

 

Well they were right in a way.  He had been responsible for murders in the past and had been conspiring to plan many more.  But that wasn't likely to happen now.  So just as it looked like the lynch mob were about to break down the door, he screwed his courage to the sticking place and stood facing it, dagger ready.

 

The mob quickly overwhelmed him but not before he got in a good stab to the gut of one of them.

 

 

 

 

Cloud, Don Kay, Mafia Vengeful Killer, has been lynched.

 

 

Despo, Viggo "the Vig" Mortenson, Town Vigilante, has been killed.

[WWWwombat]

It is now Night 2.  Deadline for Night Actions will probably be around this time tomorrow.

[Lenlo]

Atleast we know Despo was telling the truth now.

[Verbal32]

Nice move by scum there.  Definitely bussing on that train.  No question.

[Yates]

Nice move by scum there.  Definitely bussing on that train.  No question.

First - I learned not to pull your finger a long time ago.

Second - Interesting move by scum.  I'm a little surprised they didn't leave Des alive for WIFOM and tomorrows obv lynch target.

Third - If I claimed cop, do you think scum would buy it?

[michellem]

Jesus I can't even go to the vet for an hour without missing out. Had to check the wiki for the role; don't think I've heard of it before.

 

 

 

 

 

The deaths of Ishy and LeeLou both point to DMers.  This is not to say Serra or Ree are in the clear as scum, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts neither are [what I'm assuming is] the SK.

I don't linke this post. I had a townish-read on Yates up to this. But here he smoothly manages to, without saying so, place himself outside the area of suspicion. Pinged me big time I'm suprised no-one else picked up on this; too eager to join the Cloud lynch I guess.

 

Wait.

 

What?

 

You think it's scummy that I reasoned that a DMer was the 2nd killer based on the kills? And you think it's scummy even AFTER a DMer [Des] confessed to killing Ishy [the 2nd kill]?

In other words, you think it's scummy that my logic was right?? 

 

 

You completly misunderstood my point. At the time you wrote that post, you didn't know who had shot any. The point was you said it was obviosuly a DM'er, naming Serra and Ree as probably innocent, while conveniently forgetting to mention that you were in the non-DMer category too. So in other words, you were very subtly saying that it couldn't have been you taking out any of them, since you aren't orginally a DM'er. That was my point, and that I do find scummy, yes. Because even though you were talking mostly about the SK, you still subtly nudged the idea that the mafia is all DMers.

[Yates]

The point was you said it was obviosuly a DM'er, naming Serra and Ree as probably innocent, while conveniently forgetting to mention that you were in the non-DMer category too. So in other words, you were very subtly saying that it couldn't have been you taking out any of them, since you aren't orginally a DM'er.

These notes are for myself as much as they are for the game. I know my role so I know I'm not SK/Vig. Also, I wasn't subtly hinting at anything. I was straight up saying I'm not the SK/Vig by virtue of excluding my name.  So, again, your statement makes no sense.

 

As far as the rest of your comment, I think you should reread.  I expressly did NOT exclude either of them from being mafia - only SK.  So that point is either wrong or a misrep.

[Verbal32]

 

Nice move by scum there.  Definitely bussing on that train.  No question.

First - I learned not to pull your finger a long time ago.

Second - Interesting move by scum.  I'm a little surprised they didn't leave Des alive for WIFOM and tomorrows obv lynch target.

Third - If I claimed cop, do you think scum would buy it?

 

 

On the third, dunno.....try it and see.  ;-)

[Nolder]

Well that was a nice flip to wake up to. 

Slightly lame you guys ended Day so quick but I don't really mind just disappointed I wasn't around.

Cool that we got mafia in exchange for vig too since vig can screw over our numbers. 

Also good that he died now and we didn't waste a lynch on him for SK later.

 

GG Des