Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[Tiinker]

Rofl at Des. What you've just posted is far more insulting and crude than anything I've seen a player post in a while. If you hadn't taken your time to be such an uptight ass about missing out on your oh so special D1 then maybe you'd have actually written out your thoughts. Unless you for some reason think they'd be useless in later days. Jesus, chill. There are more days and you have no idea on how they're going to be set up.

 

 

I actually did write out some of my thoughts, and planned on returning later to add more.

 

It would actually be worse in a way if other days had longer deadlines but day 1 was jipped like it was. As I said before, day 1 is extremely important for town. You need to gather as much info as possible there, because it sets the template and pace for the rest of the game. Have a crappy day 1, and it's prob gonna be a crappy game.

 

I like the recent trend I've seen on DM lately where day 1 is lengthened even longer than normal. I like a good week, if it covers the weekend, or at least 4 days if it's in the middle of the week. It's a little bit more challenging if you're mafia, but the tradeoff is that you get more opportunities to hopefully uncover town PR's.

 

Fact is, Nolder implementing a deadline this early says one thing: He thinks all players should play like how he thinks they should play.

 

He's not allowing for many different types of play styles here. He apparently wants people who check in early and often, and who are willing to speedlynch and run people up to a noose because "the deadline yall!" I think it's pretty awful for a mod to set up a game which discourages certain playstyles. Myself, I like having the extra time at night to collect all my thoughts, do proper research, create wot-cases, etc. 1 day deadlines basically don't allow for that kind of play. At best, my thoughts would be ignored. At worst, people would fos or lynch me for "distracting from so-and-so's lynch", or overexplaining my vote, etc. He wants a bunch of Nolders to be playing. I think this is awful for a mod to do something like that. They should create a game where anyone can play comfortably, without feeling forced to jump out of their own skin just to keep up and contribute towards a lynch

 

 

My point was that you don't need to shit on someone in order to give criticism.

[hazelkrs1]

I don't mind what Nolder is doing. I'm pretty sure he thought it out more than you think, Des.

 

24 hours is a bit extreme imo but Nolder is well aware of DM meta and I don't think he'd ruin a game to make a point when he could make the same point without ruining the game.

 

We'll see I guess.

 

So far tho I don't even see much chance of us securing a lynch for our first day... not a good sign for the whole 24 hour thing.

 

If I end up looking foolish, and everything works out in the end (mebbe Nolder was planning on extending the deadline the whole time), than I shall apologize. For now however, the short deadline has me pretty irritated.

[hazelkrs1]

 

My point was that you don't need to shit on someone in order to give criticism.

 

 

I understood your point, which is why I said what I did. Once again, I think DPR prob isn't used to serious criticism that much, considering how much people usually fawn over his games. I think me just saying "Come on now DPR, play nice" wouldn't have been a drop in the ocean to him. He's used to the JN crowd; sometimes you have to adopt someone else's language to get through to them. I was his teammate in a recent game, and I felt he belittle my play a few times, and did so somewhat harshly occasionally. I'm a big boy, so I can take criticism, but I don't like when players get too big egos.

 

And I know, hahahaha go ahead and get your laughs out. I honestly don't think I play with as much of an ego as people think. I used to play with more braggadocio, but I kinda curtailed that somewhat.

[Niniel]

So 50 minutes left?

 

 

I will take Darthe´s "Mr. Grumpy" title and give it to Des instead. Darthe can be "Mr. Small" instead. 

 

 

Not sure what to do right now. Of course I could vote DPR but I would like him to reveal first. Don´t like blind lynches. I´m not sure DPR will be around to reveal though. 

 

Will be here until deadline. 

[Nolder]

So 50 minutes left?

 

 

I will take Darthe´s "Mr. Grumpy" title and give it to Des instead. Darthe can be "Mr. Small" instead. 

 

 

Not sure what to do right now. Of course I could vote DPR but I would like him to reveal first. Don´t like blind lynches. I´m not sure DPR will be around to reveal though. 

 

Will be here until deadline. 

About 3 hours

[_CLOUD]

I'm currently busy with catching up.

[Niniel]

Then we still have time. 

 

Voting

 

Darthe - DPR (1)

Tiinker - Tina (1)
Tina - Peace, Krak, Tiinker, Hallia (4)

DPR - Wombat, GF, Darthe, WBK, BG, Des, Player (7)
 
Not Voting: Cloud, Mish, Yates, Verbal
 
With 17 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

 

Cloud and Mish is Europeans so they should be able to catch up. 

[Niniel]

Oh, there you are Cloud. Can you please respond to Des´s post (the part about you). I agree with him that it felt like you were trying to play both sides about my play. 

[hazelkrs1]

Hmm... that response from Tina makes me feel slightly more comfortable with her. Knowing that she is next to lynch should DPR claim a PR or something, it seems a little odd that she would profess caution.

 

Of course she could be betting on DPR not getting online in time to claim, and is trying to gain town cred. But still...

 

And my wife already calls me Mr. Grumpy btw lol

[Niniel]

Ha, ha. 

[hazelkrs1]

These are the posts I'm referring to Cloud:

 

 

@ Kronos - what kind of reasons would there be to vote any of them without any gameplay to look at? What kind of reasons would there be to not vote any of them without any gameplay to look at?  Think about that for a second or two. 

 

So why did you vote for Despo if there wasn't any gameplay to help you decide your vote on? Was your vote just meant to pressure Despo? And if so, what info do you expect to gain from Despo if the only thing you did was place a single vote on him?

 

 

Incidentally, I find the "single vote" thing odd. Single votes, when couple with other single votes, can pressure someone. Your wording seems strange there.

 

 

I was under the impression that most people were voting Tina for her shoddy replies rather than sheeping. Darthe strikes me as odd. No read, but he seems to be overly excited.

 

Yeah her vote on Despo didn't strike me as odd at first, but her explanation (or lack thereof) for her vote did.

 

 

You again explain your reasoning for your vote.

 

I think her vote worked out pretty well in the end as it generated a lot of discussion.

 

And yet here, one page later in fact, you say her vote generated a lot of discussion.... so now the vote apparently wasn't that bad, it was a pot-stirring vote? If you found her explanations for the vote inconsistent (I know I did), then why chalk up the vote to be there for creating discussion?

[Nolder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO4JHXGbvx0

[Tiinker]

Unvote, Vote DPR

 

Gone for the rest of the day today.

[Nolder]

Voting

 

Darthe - DPR (1)

Tiinker - Tina (1)
Tina - Peace, Krak, Hallia (3)

DPR - Wombat, GF, Darthe, WBK, BG, Des, Player, Tiinker (8)
 
Not Voting: Cloud, Mish, Yates, Verbal
 
With 17 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

[DPR]

I'll post more in a bit in response to what I see happening and players setting up meta, etc. But for now, I'm the Beloved Princess. 

[hazelkrs1]

Is that a character claim? I thought those were off limits...

[hazelkrs1]

If that's a role I'm not familiar with it

[_CLOUD]

Ok first off I agree with the case on DPR. After rereading I noticed that he was going pretty hard after Wombat, but then he switched to Darthe for a very weak reason (he tried to convince everyone to lynch Darthe because he finds his posts weird and useless). It looks like DPR was backpadeling away from his thing with Wombat. He also seems to go in every direction and FoS as many players as he can without even checking the facts like he tried to do with accusing Wombat of being the first to point out Tina's vote while it was obviously Kronos.

 

Tiinker also stood out to me during my reread:

 

I was under the impression that most people were voting Tina for her shoddy replies rather than sheeping. Darthe strikes me as odd. No read, but he seems to be overly excited.

 

He first made this post where he mentioned that people were voting for Tina's replies rather than her initial vote on Despo.

 

 

 

 

 

@ Kronos - what kind of reasons would there be to vote any of them without any gameplay to look at? What kind of reasons would there be to not vote any of them without any gameplay to look at?  Think about that for a second or two. 

 

So why did you vote for Despo if there wasn't any gameplay to help you decide your vote on? Was your vote just meant to pressure Despo? And if so, what info do you expect to gain from Despo if the only thing you did was place a single vote on him?

 

 

Next time I should just write I VOTE THIS PERSON TO SEE HOW OTHERS WILL REACT TO MY VOTE. 

 

 

If you're frustrated with the way people have reacted to your vote, then maybe you shouldn't have voted in such a scummy manner. Just sayin.

 

 

And then after Tina's reaction he switched his stance and said that her vote was scummy.

 

 

 

 

Unvote. Vote Tiinker

And why myself in particular? You were looking to get reactions, and now you have them. Share some thoughts pls. Or is it all just so obvious? If you were purely looking to garner reactions from people then I don't know why you would echo someone else as quickly as you did, and as the first legitimate case of the day no less. There's no way in hell you wouldn't get called out on it. Not to mention you barely posted. What exactly did you expect to get out of your vote if it wasn't a scummy train on yourself if you didn't follow through with posts of your own?

Ain't buying it.

So you admit the train which you are nudging is scummy?

 

 

The part of Tiinker's post that Wombat pointed out was also pinging to me.

 

 

These are the posts I'm referring to Cloud:

 

 

@ Kronos - what kind of reasons would there be to vote any of them without any gameplay to look at? What kind of reasons would there be to not vote any of them without any gameplay to look at?  Think about that for a second or two. 

 

So why did you vote for Despo if there wasn't any gameplay to help you decide your vote on? Was your vote just meant to pressure Despo? And if so, what info do you expect to gain from Despo if the only thing you did was place a single vote on him?

 

 

Incidentally, I find the "single vote" thing odd. Single votes, when couple with other single votes, can pressure someone. Your wording seems strange there. Yeah English isn't my first language so I sometimes have trouble with explaining myself. What I meant with single vote is that Tina didn't provide any reasoning with her vote. She only seemed to follow DPR's case on you, but then later she explains that in her opinion there wasn't any gameplay available to base her vote on so I take it that she didn't agree with DPR's case?

 

 

I was under the impression that most people were voting Tina for her shoddy replies rather than sheeping. Darthe strikes me as odd. No read, but he seems to be overly excited.

 

Yeah her vote on Despo didn't strike me as odd at first, but her explanation (or lack thereof) for her vote did.

 

 

You again explain your reasoning for your vote. I didn't vote for Tina... I was only FoSing her.

 

I think her vote worked out pretty well in the end as it generated a lot of discussion.

 

And yet here, one page later in fact, you say her vote generated a lot of discussion.... so now the vote apparently wasn't that bad, it was a pot-stirring vote? If you found her explanations for the vote inconsistent (I know I did), then why chalk up the vote to be there for creating discussion? I didn't consider the possibility of her only voting for you to see how others would react to it, which was kinda stupid of me since I have played enough games with her to know that she likes to kickstart games even if she needs to paint a target on herself. So after reading her explanation I didn't find the reasoning for her vote that scummy anymore. Then later when she voted for Tiinker I assumed that she was again trying to get reactions (not that it will work if it's that obvious) but when Tiinker questioned her vote on him she said that it's because he was being lazy and bandwagoning, and that again stood out to me so I questioned why she singled him out from all the others who were also bandwagoning.

 

 

So VOTE DPR. I could also go for Tiinker, but I think that DPR is more scummy and will provide more info.

[_CLOUD]

I'll post more in a bit in response to what I see happening and players setting up meta, etc. But for now, I'm the Beloved Princess. 

 

Character claims and hints are forbidden right?

[_CLOUD]

From the wiki:

 

A Beloved Princess is a player who, upon death, causes the next Day phase to be skipped.

"Beloved" has also been seen as a role modifier that duplicates this effect.

Beloved roles are most often pro-Town. They are either seen in setups designed especially for them (so it is acceptable for their death to be a "punishment" for the Town) or in role madness games where skipping a Day phase is not a complete disaster.

Despite the name, Beloved is not a well-liked modifier in most contexts. It is seldom seen and possibly still overused.

[_CLOUD]

Unvote for now. I want to hear more from DPR now that he is here and I want to think this through. We still have a couple of hours left before the deadline and I will be around. I need to have some breakfast though. Brb.

[michellem]

I think I've seen Beloved Princess be talked about on JN at least. Never heard of it here. But Nolder do hang around on JN quite a bit.

 

Then we still have time. 

 

Voting

 

Darthe - DPR (1)

Tiinker - Tina (1)
Tina - Peace, Krak, Tiinker, Hallia (4)

DPR - Wombat, GF, Darthe, WBK, BG, Des, Player (7)
 
Not Voting: Cloud, Mish, Yates, Verbal
 
With 17 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

 

Cloud and Mish is Europeans so they should be able to catch up. 

 

Never expect me to be able to catch up to a certain time in the mornings. I have sleep issues, and sometimes I won't get up until 2 or 3 in the afternoon if I haven't slept properly during the night.

 

NOLDER: Would it be possible for you to have a timer-link in your vote counts? I really don't understand American timezones at all, so that would be very helpful.

 

I have no idea what to do with my vote now... DPR's role sounds like it's a given to be in this game really; for those not familiar with the story, the bad guys kidnap "The princesses or heart" to use them for evil things. So the princesses are very important. I'm doubtful to put my vote on him. Tina stayed her course, and even though her reasons have been explained differently, I feel better about her today. I think I'm gonna refrain from voting; too short until deadline and I don't feel like either Tina or DPR are people I want dead right now.

[Nolder]

 

I'll post more in a bit in response to what I see happening and players setting up meta, etc. But for now, I'm the Beloved Princess. 

 

Character claims and hints are forbidden right?

 

Yes, they are forbidden. You are still allowed to claim or hint at your actual role. For example cop, doc, tracker, etc.

[_CLOUD]

A few questions: 

 

@Tina: Can you answer my question on why you voted for Tiinker while others were also bandwagoning? And can you also respond to the things Despo mentioned about you in his case? I get that you were trying to kickstart the game, but your later posts are still somewhat inconsistent.

[Nolder]

NOLDER: Would it be possible for you to have a timer-link in your vote counts? I really don't understand American timezones at all, so that would be very helpful.

Yes but not this time. You have exactly 1 hour left.