Ghost Mafia - 3 out of 33 survive - Town wins!

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I do it in the morning, right now I sleep

 

 

You and my ex wife have a lot in common. 

 

 

I literally choked on my drink when I read this XD

 

 

For those who don't wanna read my WoT, I'll summarize my theory again:

 

DPR wrote the scene about a picture being taken at the beginning of the game that confirmed no one was possessed at that point, HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that everyone that was human was town.

 

When Nolder asked for clarification on whether their were non-ghost/possessed anti-town elements in this game, DPR dodged the question.

 

When cofirming townies through an item viewing, DPR would say someone was "Human (Town)" instead of just human, or town.

 

Their is obv a lot of consternation on how the recruiting is happening, and frankly if it's just random.org I don't really see how Town can win this game without getting extremely lucky with vig kills. SOOOO, I think it's possible our "recruiter" might not be possessed at all, but is instead a human that can call spirits from the nether world or something and cause people to get possessed. This means we could possibly treat this as we would when looking for a CL.

 

Also, when looking at the death scenes, I noticed that the ones where someone wasn't killed by a ghost, it seemed like the person who killed them experienced a brief moment of insanity, as in both scenes there was immediate regret, guilt, or surprise at what they had done.

This makes me think there could possibly be a seperate element at work here, that we might have ANOTHER anti-town human (or mebbe 3rd party), someone who causes brief insanity in whomever they target, and then that person is forced to kill someone that hour.

 

What yall think?

 

I actually read Despo's entire case including the things he wrote behind the spoiler tags and I must say that I find it to be really convincing and I like his improved theory on the game mechanics and the scenes a lot. I also find his case on Peace to be really good and I think we will hit a scum with his lynch.

 

 

The case on Rand, from what I remember, is that water is wet.  I mean Rand was acting scummy. 

 

I find the current case on Rand very weak, especially because it's still from Day 1 and a lot of things have changed since then.

 

 

Wow, nice catch, Des. Peace, really, how would you know that PMs came after the game thread began, enough to state it as fact?

 

Unvote. Vote Peace.

 

If Peace flips mafia then this looks a whole lot like bussing to me. 

 

 

UNVOTE, VOTE PEACE

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Whomever is taking all these terrible vig shots should be shot themselves. If what I understood is correct every vig shot has been a miss, if we assume that the remorse shown in the scenes means it was a vig.

 

You really need to catch up and read Despo's case dude.

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Also @ Peace: I'm pretty sure that I was the one who first brought up the possiblity of random recruiting at the start of 09:00. It's not really important now though.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Just did. Vote Peace.

 

That slip is scummy as hell. And that we know Despo didn't have cruel intentions (i.e. he was town), peace isn't looking so hot. Losing Despo really hurt us, those were some strong cases. I know this was ages ago but I also don't like the really quick votes against Darthe at the start of the game, some of them just seemed to be jumping on.

[peacesells]

I killed despo.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I killed despo.

 

FFS. OMGUS Vig Kill. How helpful to town...

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I killed despo.

 

I don't believe you.

[Nolder]

I killed despo.

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I killed despo.

 

 

This just makes Despo's death so much more tragic  

 

I will miss him.

[Nolder]

Peace please explain why you thought Des was scum.

[Nolder]

Unvote

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One more reason to lynch Peace: 

 

It will prove or disprove Despo's theory about there being a human detective who may be causing the madness the characters experience in the scenes, or else they are just simply vig kills with added flavor (which I doubt because DPR stated that he puts game info in his scenes).

[Tyler Glembo]

One more try Despo and then I'll just toss you up as a lost cause.

 

When someone says that so and so is scum because they did such and such...it leaves no room for alternatives and therefore is the same as stating only scum would do this.

 

That person chose to ignore the fact that someone EP had done the same exact thing. So, it looks opportunistic and it was a complete logic fail.

 

The case made against me was that since I did cased someone a certain way that meant I was scum and it was presented that only scum would do so. I proved that a fallacy by stating that EP "a confirmed townee" took the same exact action I did. So, therefore the action did mean scum.

 

It didn't matter if it was EP, it could have been anybody. But I showed the logical fallacy in that argument because a CONFIRMED TOWN PLAYER DID THE SAME THING. Therefore I am not scum by that determining reason.

 

 

Plus..you continue to ignore my response that you trumped up the case by linking events that happened on 2 different phases. Your case as originally presented made me look to be contradicting myself when I wasn't. Yes, one hour EP was confirmed. Yet, the next hour he wasn't. If you don't think that confirmed players are a good recruiting source....please state so clearly so everyone knows where you are coming from.

 

Also, you ignore my response to the fact that it was I who purposed that random recruitment was a possibility. Yet you try and use that argument against me in your original case.

 

You piece mailed and argument together with carefully selected items taken out of context over different phases and made them look to be contradictory. One more time I ask:

 

What is your agenda here? Do you want truth or do you want a lynch?

 

And one more thing...stop being Obtuse. (Obtuse is the flavored word of the month on DM)

 

Peace, I'm assuming you are referencing my vote on you here.  Yes, I voted you over EP even though you and EP were following the same track.  You make no mention of it in your defense, but scum often "glom on" to what town are doing to gain town cred.  Hence, EP voted and I didn't agree, but when you followed up I thought it looked opportunistic because 1) I didn't read it the same way 2) I thought the case was weak and 3) EP was confirmed town, so you jumping in with him seemed as though you were going for some sort of town cred.  

 

What led me to viewing NotBob was exactly this: taking positions that offer almost zero accountability.  And it is the same with you jumping in with EP.  EP was town, the case was opportunistic, and you jumped in.  It is then easy for you, were you scum, to simply point the finger at EP if there are any questions.

 

I would like to vote you again, unfortunately I think DPR's scene just cleared you as not possessed.  

[Kaylee]

One more reason to lynch Peace: 

 

It will prove or disprove Despo's theory about there being a human detective who may be causing the madness the characters experience in the scenes, or else they are just simply vig kills with added flavor (which I doubt because DPR stated that he puts game info in his scenes).

I see your point. I'd rather hear  from him before voting though.

[Tyler Glembo]

One more reason to lynch Peace: 

 

It will prove or disprove Despo's theory about there being a human detective who may be causing the madness the characters experience in the scenes, or else they are just simply vig kills with added flavor (which I doubt because DPR stated that he puts game info in his scenes).

 

We have multiple vig kills claimed by different people.  All of the scenes have the same flavor, Peace's being no different.  Ergo, peace is likely town.  It also fits his "slip" of getting a PM.  He had a vig kill.

[Kaylee]

FYI: I'm going out of town this morning and may not be able to get online again until I get back Monday night.

[Kaylee]

TG makes a good point.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Unvote.

[Nolder]

 

 

One more reason to lynch Peace:

 

It will prove or disprove Despo's theory about there being a human detective who may be causing the madness the characters experience in the scenes, or else they are just simply vig kills with added flavor (which I doubt because DPR stated that he puts game info in his scenes).

We have multiple vig kills claimed by different people. All of the scenes have the same flavor, Peace's being no different. Ergo, peace is likely town. It also fits his "slip" of getting a PM. He had a vig kill.

When did the "slip" happen again? For that to fit it would have to have happened within this same hour I think.

When I had a camera I was told I could only use it within that same hour and if I didn't I'd lose it. I imagine all items would come with the same restriction.

[peacesells]

Peace please explain why you thought Des was scum.

Um maybe his insistence on continuing a trumped up case despite anything I said to him.

 

He was bound and determined to twist everything I said. Looked like he was pushing an agenda.

 

If you are so concerned maybe go back and read all the original posts I made that he had issues with in context instead of the lazy following several of you have done.

 

Oh and before some of you get a little holier than thou... Consider what your views on desp would be when I flipped town. Would he look poorly like he looked to me?

 

I'm pissed. Cause he should have gotten a clue. Since he was being so obtuse and choosing emotionally charged words when casing me it looked pretty scummy from my perspective. Maybe he'll learn. Who knows.

[Nolder]

 

Peace please explain why you thought Des was scum.

Um maybe his insistence on continuing a trumped up case despite anything I said to him.

 

He was bound and determined to twist everything I said. Looked like he was pushing an agenda.

 

If you are so concerned maybe go back and read all the original posts I made that he had issues with in context instead of the lazy following several of you have done.

 

Oh and before some of you get a little holier than thou... Consider what your views on desp would be when I flipped town. Would he look poorly like he looked to me?

 

I'm pissed. Cause he should have gotten a clue. Since he was being so obtuse and choosing emotionally charged words when casing me it looked pretty scummy from my perspective. Maybe he'll learn. Who knows.

I'm asking you because you didn't properly case him it seemed to me, you were just responding to his case on you.

So your case boils down to he was aggressive and manipulative?

[peacesells]

TG. There was no slip about a pm. I got PM 5 minutes before the scene.

 

I received a piece of wood with nails in it

[peacesells]

Why would I case him? He just started posting in the game. Stop being lazy nolder.

 

Literally. What was there to case other than his attack on me?

 

And since when is manipulative not a good reason?

[Nolder]

Why would I case him? He just started posting in the game. Stop being lazy nolder.

 

Literally. What was there to case other than his attack on me?

 

And since when is manipulative not a good reason?

Let me try walking you through this.

You killed Des. For the sake of argument I am going to assume you killed him because you are town and you thought he was scum.

I want you to explain how you came to that conclusion so I can analyze your reasoning and see if I can come to the same conclusion.

You know your life is on the line right now so don't be lazy, just explain it.

If all you have to say is that he was aggressive and manipulative then that's fine but I just want to be clear that that is all you have to say on the matter.

[Songstress]

 

 

 

One more reason to lynch Peace:

 

It will prove or disprove Despo's theory about there being a human detective who may be causing the madness the characters experience in the scenes, or else they are just simply vig kills with added flavor (which I doubt because DPR stated that he puts game info in his scenes).

We have multiple vig kills claimed by different people. All of the scenes have the same flavor, Peace's being no different. Ergo, peace is likely town. It also fits his "slip" of getting a PM. He had a vig kill.

When did the "slip" happen again? For that to fit it would have to have happened within this same hour I think.

When I had a camera I was told I could only use it within that same hour and if I didn't I'd lose it. I imagine all items would come with the same restriction.

That's what I was wondering.

 

I also will be going out of town today -Kaylee and I are going together - and am not sure if I will have data service before we get home Monday. Will check in if I can.

 

Cloud, you say the case against Rand is weak because it was from day 1 and so much has changed since then, but what has Rand done since then? Wombat put together a pretty decent case, in my opinion, and I can't recall Rand saying or doing anything to change my mind about that.