Ghost Mafia - 3 out of 33 survive - Town wins!

[Tyler Glembo]

Also, townies are usually the ones that appear most "scummy" over the course of a game. Scum knows what not to do and say. I 100% disagree with pretty much everything you've offered up here. 

 

Yes and no, IMO.  In the last game you and I were in (Dresden files) peace was scum and asked for a cop reveal, asked for the cop viewings, asked for all town PR to reveal, etc etc.  He was so scummy that somehow, even though I was pushing hard on the thread, nobody would lynch him.

 

I do get your point about scum trying to look "cleaner" but it doesn't always happen. 

[John McClane]

 

 

30 person game. Multiple trains budding. Makes absolutely NO sense that there'd be multiple scum on one train. Huge leap in logic here. 

 

I feel good heaping a whole big pile of FOS on you.

 

 

Yes, scum is likely somewhat scattered, but, for the sake of argument, if Hally is town then you and I both know there is at least 1 or 2 scum on her train.

 

 

Don't lump me in with your bad logic. We don't know anything about her train other than the names on it. There is absolutely no basis for this assumption, and I feel like you are setting up a witch hunt on  the people who voted Hallie, as if you already know she's town and you are setting up lynches for the upcoming day phases. 

 

Great scum strategy, get greedy and set up a goose chase to lead town on a handful of mislynches to take a chunk out of their numbers right off the bat.

 

Yes, this is a bit of a speculative narrative, but that is why your hard stance resonates as.

[John McClane]

 

Also, townies are usually the ones that appear most "scummy" over the course of a game. Scum knows what not to do and say. I 100% disagree with pretty much everything you've offered up here. 

 

Yes and no, IMO.  In the last game you and I were in (Dresden files) peace was scum and asked for a cop reveal, asked for the cop viewings, asked for all town PR to reveal, etc etc.  He was so scummy that somehow, even though I was pushing hard on the thread, nobody would lynch him.

 

I do get your point about scum trying to look "cleaner" but it doesn't always happen. 

 

 

Yeah, and I told everyone and their brother he was scum. The reason he was doing what he was doing was he was self-sacrificing for information. The context of him playing it that was relevant for that game, and doesn't map to how scum would play D1 in this game at all. 

 

It's an irrelevant comparison, and a somewhat shady thing to try to sell your bad logic.

[Tyler Glembo]

Don't lump me in with your bad logic. We don't know anything about her train other than the names on it. There is absolutely no basis for this assumption, and I feel like you are setting up a witch hunt on  the people who voted Hallie, as if you already know she's town and you are setting up lynches for the upcoming day phases. 

 

Great scum strategy, get greedy and set up a goose chase to lead town on a handful of mislynches to take a chunk out of their numbers right off the bat.

 

Yes, this is a bit of a speculative narrative, but that is why your hard stance resonates as.

 

 

Okay, if Hally is town then I assume that one or two scum is on her train.  Especially someone like Cloud who is not being self consistent with his logic. 

[dapianoplay3r]

If you were mafia in this game, why would you need to get on a train of someone this early? It's a huge game, there is literally no need.

 

Also let the back tracking begin!

[Tyler Glembo]

Yeah, and I told everyone and their brother he was scum. The reason he was doing what he was doing was he was self-sacrificing for information. The context of him playing it that was relevant for that game, and doesn't map to how scum would play D1 in this game at all. 

 

It's an irrelevant comparison, and a somewhat shady thing to try to sell your bad logic.

 

 

You and I both knew he was scum, but we still couldn't get votes on him. 

 

But, if that isn't a good comparison then I'll try to think of others. The WWII game here comes to mind where Ithi was scum and leading lynches left and right for the first 4 days.  There were at least two scum on every mislynch that took place. 

[Tyler Glembo]

If you were mafia in this game, why would you need to get on a train of someone this early? It's a huge game, there is literally no need.

 

Also let the back tracking begin!

 

Because everyone here seems to "know" that scum would never do it this way. Thus, if I were scum I'd do it exactly this way.

[Tyler Glembo]

Also, with a game this big it's hard for me to imagine that by end game someone is actually going to go back and analyze who was on what lynches through the whole game.  Thus, it isn't a terribly unsafe place for scum to hide.  Especially D1.  By D4 they, undoubtedly, will have to be more careful.

[WWWwombat]

TGlems' logic is terrible. He claims to be used to how people play on DM but then spews crap that no one who has played more than two games would think. Scum is not going to railroad anyone at this point in the game. They would, however, defend a townie and try to set up lynches. Rand has defended EP and tried to set Hallia and Lily up for lynch should Ithi flip scum. Now TGlems defends Hallia and sets up her whole train for lynch.

 

Town points for Hallia, Ithi, and Lily.

Major scum points for Rand and TGlems.

[WWWwombat]

TGlems' logic is terrible. He claims to be used to how people play on DM but then spews crap that no one who has played more than two games would think. Scum is not going to railroad anyone at this point in the game. They would, however, defend a townie and try to set up lynches. Rand has defended EP and tried to set Hallia and Lily up for lynch should Ithi flip scum. Now TGlems defends Hallia and sets up her whole train for lynch.

 

Town points for Hallia, Ithi, and Lily.

Major scum points for Rand and TGlems.

[WWWwombat]

Also, with a game this big it's hard for me to imagine that by end game someone is actually going to go back and analyze who was on what lynches through the whole game.  Thus, it isn't a terribly unsafe place for scum to hide.  Especially D1.  By D4 they, undoubtedly, will have to be more careful.

 

I will be looking at every final vote count.  And so will any other scumhunter worth his salt.

[peacesells]

Tglems you are just making stuff up now. There is like 10 hours left.

 

If I thought I could round up the votes I'd switch to you.

[WWWwombat]

There is something to be said for using an unexpected strategy as scum, but in this case, the risk wouldn't be worth it.  Piling together to get a mislynch D1 doesn't usually gain the scum anything but it would probably draw scrutiny to some of their numbers.

[Songstress]

Also, with a game this big it's hard for me to imagine that by end game someone is actually going to go back and analyze who was on what lynches through the whole game.  Thus, it isn't a terribly unsafe place for scum to hide.  Especially D1.  By D4 they, undoubtedly, will have to be more careful.

 

You'd be surprised.

 

 

Regardless, after reading back through, I don't necessarily feel comfortable with the way Hallia has been playing it, but the number of people jumping to defend her raises my eyebrows.  Peace accusing EP of having poor reading comprehension when Hallia's post clearly did say she would rather have votes consolidate on Ithi than herself (even if she meant it the opposite way - it's what she said)... TG's defense is stronger than is warranted at this stage of the game as well.

 

Vote Rand.

[Tyler Glembo]

TGlems' logic is terrible. He claims to be used to how people play on DM but then spews crap that no one who has played more than two games would think. Scum is not going to railroad anyone at this point in the game. They would, however, defend a townie and try to set up lynches. Rand has defended EP and tried to set Hallia and Lily up for lynch should Ithi flip scum. Now TGlems defends Hallia and sets up her whole train for lynch.

 

Town points for Hallia, Ithi, and Lily.

Major scum points for Rand and TGlems.

 

Wombat, do you really believe this?  You say scum will play a certain way, defending townies and setting up lynches.  But if you all (you and John, based on his casing) agree that is how scum will do things, then why would scum ever do it? 

[Tyler Glembo]

There is something to be said for using an unexpected strategy as scum, but in this case, the risk wouldn't be worth it.  Piling together to get a mislynch D1 doesn't usually gain the scum anything but it would probably draw scrutiny to some of their numbers.

 

Nevermind, ninja'd.  I see what you're saying.

[WWWwombat]

 

TGlems' logic is terrible. He claims to be used to how people play on DM but then spews crap that no one who has played more than two games would think. Scum is not going to railroad anyone at this point in the game. They would, however, defend a townie and try to set up lynches. Rand has defended EP and tried to set Hallia and Lily up for lynch should Ithi flip scum. Now TGlems defends Hallia and sets up her whole train for lynch.

 

Town points for Hallia, Ithi, and Lily.

Major scum points for Rand and TGlems.

 

Wombat, do you really believe this?  You say scum will play a certain way, defending townies and setting up lynches.  But if you all (you and John, based on his casing) agree that is how scum will do things, then why would scum ever do it? 

 

 

Because some of them don't know any better.

[Gabriel Kross]

So I just skimmed the past couple pages, then my eyes crossed with all the nested quoting messiness. What's the vote count? 

 

Has anyone latched on to my "kill Verb or Ithillian" stance and tried to fuel it? That's all I want to know. 

 

Ithi claimed to have an item so her train is pretty much dead, not many people actually voting for verb tho there have been a number of people saying they'd be willing, I was one of them. However He went silent I want to hear more from him to see where he stands now.

 

 

Yeah, and I told everyone and their brother he was scum. The reason he was doing what he was doing was he was self-sacrificing for information. The context of him playing it that was relevant for that game, and doesn't map to how scum would play D1 in this game at all. 

 

It's an irrelevant comparison, and a somewhat shady thing to try to sell your bad logic.

 

 

You and I both knew he was scum, but we still couldn't get votes on him. 

 

But, if that isn't a good comparison then I'll try to think of others. The WWII game here comes to mind where Ithi was scum and leading lynches left and right for the first 4 days.  There were at least two scum on every mislynch that took place. 

 

 

Ithi has always been an aggressive player, so this example is invalid as well, please reach more.

 

 

As far as the Rand defending me thing, he's been caught red handed because he did it in the past, as much as I'd like to see a Peace lynch I don't think we'd pull one off before deadline.

 

As far as the whole final vote counts thing goes, if you aren't going back and looking, you're doing it wrong. Mafia and Town will be all over the final votes, town looking for mafia and mafia looking for easy pickings

 

UNVOTE

VOTE RAND

 

He latched onto Ape's tail for the Ithi thing and then defended me to a point of absurdity. If people want to lynch me, let them lynch me if I can't defend myself enough to get out of the noose then so be it. Your defense of me was un-neccessary no one was pushing a hard enough case on me to get votes on me anyways.

[WWWwombat]

That's right.  Rand was caught overdefending a townie in Red's alt game, wasn't he?

[Tyler Glembo]

If a lynch is not achieved it goes random, right?

[Tyler Glembo]

Or does it just mean no lynch?  I did not see anything in the rules and I forget if DPR had more to say on the matter.

[Gabriel Kross]

That's right.  Rand was caught overdefending a townie in Red's alt game, wasn't he?

I had forgotten about that one, I was refferring to another one. I forget what it was now though.

[WWWwombat]

Actually, I think that was Ishy.

[Songstress]

It was Ishy overdefending Rand.

[Gabriel Kross]

Oh, right. Rand got replaced for continuously posting on the wrong account, well anyways that wasn't the one I had been referring to. I'll have to go back and take a look through old games sometime.