[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

[Hybrid]

Lol i hate that sjos

 

It's mafia.  Clearly you're lying.

[Hybrid]

 

 

 

unvote, Vote Crusher

 

Reason: fakevoting.

Not sure I like this vote.

 

Unvote

Vote csarmi

Why not, as good a reason to vote as any for 1st day. Better than yours here, I think :)

 

Didn't like you trying to pass off the vote like it's for a legitimate reason.  "Fake voting"?  Really?

[Hybrid]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

Thread reminds me of this.

 

Language NSFW.

[Hybrid]

Awesome, I triggered a spam bot filter trying to post that due to language.  F this site.

[Niniel]

Cloudflare... Do I have to say more.

 

I has been two years since I played with Csarmi. I remember him acting like this. I´m not sure if I ever played a game with him where he was mafia so I don´t know if this is a town tell or not. Ape is making up a case about him wanting to get Crusher mk´d. Doesn´t tell me anything about his alignment. 

 

What I wonder about is Nolder´s post where he said he would be back Day 2. Somehow he thought he would get a reaction from Ape. What reaction would that be? Everyone know that Day 1 absence was your scum tell before and everyone know that you are aware of that and don´t consider that a scum tell anymore. So what reaction were you waiting for and what would that tell you about Ape?

[John McClane]

You never had a case on me. You've thrown personal insults at me that can't be tolerated.

 

1. You used Crusher's drunk post as an opportunity to put heat on him. Meaning your motive was to either A.) get him lynched or B.) get him modkilled. Otherwise, what is the point of acting like the rules police, the game has 2 moderators and multiple site moderators in it who can handle that. So, it appears to me that you were being an opportunist and using it as a chance to go big game hunting and taking out one of the JN "good players". 

 

2. You are using my messing up your name as a convenient, yet unrelated to the game, reason to vote me. 

 

Town players can layer narrative over things people do to convince themselves they are suspect, but scum players leverage non-game opportunities to create momentum for easy wins / kills. I feel like you've done the latter twice. 

 

This is the first time you've actually address this case I have on you and shut your face about the insults, and even still (after I've spelled it out multiple times) you've gone the route of refusing to confront the case. Saying "I never had a case".

 

I have to admit that, regardless of the whole Crusher thing, Ape has a solid point about Csarmi voting him for getting his name wrong. It smacks of convenient excuse to vote Ape.

 

Yeah, this. Except I think cspazz has been opportunistic with both situations.

 

All my trolling of him about being a baby aside, I do thing I nailed scum here. In my wildest imagination I can't image a grown man reacting this way to obvious chop-busting, so I have to imagine him cratering on the insults is to avoid defending himself of the case I have on him. He's trying to re-direct to me for being a big meanie, but being mean, and insulting does not make me scum. Hell, it doesn't even have bearing on suspicion, however, being an opportunist who uses abstract rationale for his voting, that does stink of scum agenda.

[Nolder]

Hybrid: I'm pretty sure the filter occurs randomly not because of the language of your post.

 

[Nolder]

Tina: Ape seems to think my town meta is to act dumb or purposely antagonistic and see what comes of it. While I admit to having done that in the past I would not say it is a surefire way to tell that I'm town or not (especially because I'm aware of it). He has commented on such behavior in the past and I was expecting him to do the same here. As I said before since it's supposedly a towntell he may have not wanted to comment and draw attention to me/him or just not thought it important enough to comment on at this time. Or, as he said, maybe he did actually think I was power hinting (how he got that idea I'm not exactly sure) and didn't want to comment. We can't really know for sure all I can say is I acted the way I did to bait him and he didn't rise to it. I found that as notable as a reaction if less telling. Had he commented on it I would have felt a little bit better about him since Town Ape usually isn't afraid to comment on any tells he picks up. As it is it's mostly a nulltell which is why I backed off.

[John McClane]

Good, good... we have people weighing in the situation. 

 

Nolder pushes it a bit, supporting part of my case. That's good. Reading Nolder as townish right now, since his primary agenda was to determine what side I am on and he's being objective enough to question parts of my logic. I don't expect everyone to see what I see the same way I see it.

 

Booboo voted cspazz without explanation, not even a defense of his muffin-top. Reeks like some good ol' get behind the Ape. (Something he does when he's scum and I'm town, he gets behind momentum I create on fellow townies.)

 

Darthe side-stepped the situation blatantly.

 

Hybrid is nudging my case, without voting cspazz. 

 

AVM has thrown a "he's probably town" on the situation, essentially side-stepping and trying to diffuse it all at once.

 

Leelou kind of fencing with the situation too. Being careful not to get too close to the flames. Her MO regardless of alignment, coy little girl... 

 

Those are initial impressions.

 

Look at me multi-tasking, schooling the crybaby, while scum hunting like a beast.

[John McClane]

 

i can already tell i'm going to have trouble in this game because my reply box just isn't acting right and i can't remember what the code is to change colors and stuff... *sighs* But I shall vote leelou as soon as i figure it out! I have it from a reliable source that she is actualy Shaidar Haran the hand of the most evil one *nods* no way she's not mafia

 

wtf is this nerd shart?

 

> 

Again with the people quoting big posts to respond to one thing. Tsk. 

 

Mock outrage

 

Unvote

Vote Ed

 

Mock mock.

 

This is so lame and boring.

Everyone is just voting without ANY rhyme or reason.

You've all played before so it's just that much more disgusting.

Way to make this game suck.

 

I'm turning on lurkmode now, call me when D1 is over.

If it ever ends that is.

 

LOL, 10 posts in or whatever? 

 

omg you're all so bad at this now, what happened?

no wonder no one wants to play mafia here anymore

 

Heh.

 

Because I can, and because killing Nolder is always a god idea.

 

^^^ expert analysis, this guy is a ringer. No doubt.

 

 

 

Nolder keeps saying I didn't respond to his little trap too. I did, my responses are above. I took note of what he was doing, but since the game was in it's infancy, wanted to ride out a bit and gain more context.

 

In other words, his trap and his expectations that anything I said to him would be helpful, is a naive assumption. If he had waited longer, and dropped that stuff in a bit more of a realistic exchange, it would have been more genuine and I wouldn't have seen through it as the litmus test it was. I've entertained his further questions about it, because I am far more likely to figure out if he's town or scum before he figures me out as scum.

 

This is a guy who when EVERYONE in the game knew I was scum, still insisted I was town. The last time I was scum. And the last couple times I was town, he insisted I was scum. He can't read me, which imo, is a justification for why he might try to figure me out right away. That, or he was trying to eliminate the person that reads him best right off the bat with a mock trap.

[John McClane]

Also in that series of quotes above we see cspazz saying "lynching nolder is always a good idea". Another vote cast for a non-game specific rationale.

 

Add that to my case on him. He seemed to be exploiting the easy lynch target that Nolder tends to be.

[Hybrid]

Hybrid: I'm pretty sure the filter occurs randomly not because of the language of your post.

 

Ah.  Yeah, I thought it babbled something about language, but for obvious reasons wasn't paying very close attention.

[Hybrid]

 

Hybrid is nudging my case, without voting cspazz.

 

Might want to re-read the vote count, brofessor.

[John McClane]

 

 

Hybrid is nudging my case, without voting cspazz.

 

Might want to re-read the vote count, brofessor.

 

You should have just let that ferment a bit, but yeah. :)

[Niniel]

Tina: Ape seems to think my town meta is to act dumb or purposely antagonistic and see what comes of it. While I admit to having done that in the past I would not say it is a surefire way to tell that I'm town or not (especially because I'm aware of it). He has commented on such behavior in the past and I was expecting him to do the same here. As I said before since it's supposedly a towntell he may have not wanted to comment and draw attention to me/him or just not thought it important enough to comment on at this time. Or, as he said, maybe he did actually think I was power hinting (how he got that idea I'm not exactly sure) and didn't want to comment. We can't really know for sure all I can say is I acted the way I did to bait him and he didn't rise to it. I found that as notable as a reaction if less telling. Had he commented on it I would have felt a little bit better about him since Town Ape usually isn't afraid to comment on any tells he picks up. As it is it's mostly a nulltell which is why I backed off.

 

How could anyone be baited by it? You didn´t even tried to sound sincere so who would take it serious and react to it in a serious way? I´m not sure where I´m going with this but I wanted to point it out since it looked strange to me. 

[AVM]

 

Good, good... we have people weighing in the situation. 

 

Nolder pushes it a bit, supporting part of my case. That's good. Reading Nolder as townish right now, since his primary agenda was to determine what side I am on and he's being objective enough to question parts of my logic. I don't expect everyone to see what I see the same way I see it.

 

Booboo voted cspazz without explanation, not even a defense of his muffin-top. Reeks like some good ol' get behind the Ape. (Something he does when he's scum and I'm town, he gets behind momentum I create on fellow townies.)

 

Darthe side-stepped the situation blatantly.

 

Hybrid is nudging my case, without voting cspazz. 

 

AVM has thrown a "he's probably town" on the situation, essentially side-stepping and trying to diffuse it all at once.

 

Leelou kind of fencing with the situation too. Being careful not to get too close to the flames. Her MO regardless of alignment, coy little girl... 

 

Those are initial impressions.

 

Look at me multi-tasking, schooling the crybaby, while scum hunting like a beast.

 

You're too far in to see this one, but meh.  You're going to drive it til the very end.  If trying to get someone MK'd Day 1 and flaming about your name being mistyped is overly emotional, touchy, town play then I don't know what is.

 

I get that you're the one going head to head with him, but come on.  I know I haven't played here before (hence why I said I'd let others weigh in) but no one plays that transparent as scum.  His actions scream townie biting off more than he can chew with the Ape to me, but what do I know.  I've only played with you for 3 (I think?) years and watched the same thing happen more times than I can recall.

 

Peoples reactions on the two of you is more telling than what he's actually said/done...but that's how I always look at D1, so meh again.  Yeah, yeah...FOS AVM for diffusing the situation.

[John McClane]

 

Tina: Ape seems to think my town meta is to act dumb or purposely antagonistic and see what comes of it. While I admit to having done that in the past I would not say it is a surefire way to tell that I'm town or not (especially because I'm aware of it). He has commented on such behavior in the past and I was expecting him to do the same here. As I said before since it's supposedly a towntell he may have not wanted to comment and draw attention to me/him or just not thought it important enough to comment on at this time. Or, as he said, maybe he did actually think I was power hinting (how he got that idea I'm not exactly sure) and didn't want to comment. We can't really know for sure all I can say is I acted the way I did to bait him and he didn't rise to it. I found that as notable as a reaction if less telling. Had he commented on it I would have felt a little bit better about him since Town Ape usually isn't afraid to comment on any tells he picks up. As it is it's mostly a nulltell which is why I backed off.

 

How could anyone be baited by it? You didn´t even tried to sound sincere so who would take it serious and react to it in a serious way? I´m not sure where I´m going with this but I wanted to point it out since it looked strange to me. 

 

 

This. He seemed to be putting on a show.

[AVM]

 

 

Good, good... we have people weighing in the situation. 

 

Nolder pushes it a bit, supporting part of my case. That's good. Reading Nolder as townish right now, since his primary agenda was to determine what side I am on and he's being objective enough to question parts of my logic. I don't expect everyone to see what I see the same way I see it.

 

Booboo voted cspazz without explanation, not even a defense of his muffin-top. Reeks like some good ol' get behind the Ape. (Something he does when he's scum and I'm town, he gets behind momentum I create on fellow townies.)

 

Darthe side-stepped the situation blatantly.

 

Hybrid is nudging my case, without voting cspazz. 

 

AVM has thrown a "he's probably town" on the situation, essentially side-stepping and trying to diffuse it all at once.

 

Leelou kind of fencing with the situation too. Being careful not to get too close to the flames. Her MO regardless of alignment, coy little girl... 

 

Those are initial impressions.

 

Look at me multi-tasking, schooling the crybaby, while scum hunting like a beast.

 

You're too far in to see this one, but meh.  You're going to drive it til the very end.  If trying to get someone MK'd Day 1 and flaming about your name being mistyped is overly emotional, touchy, town play then I don't know what is.

 

I get that you're the one going head to head with him, but come on.  I know I haven't played here before (hence why I said I'd let others weigh in) but no one plays that transparent as scum.  His actions scream townie biting off more than he can chew with the Ape to me, but what do I know.  I've only played with you for 3 (I think?) years and watched the same thing happen more times than I can recall.

 

Peoples reactions on the two of you is more telling than what he's actually said/done...but that's how I always look at D1, so meh again.  Yeah, yeah...FOS AVM for diffusing the situation.

 

Meant isn't overly emotional and touchy town play, btw

[John McClane]

You're too far in to see this one, but meh.  You're going to drive it til the very end.  If trying to get someone MK'd Day 1 and flaming about your name being mistyped is overly emotional, touchy, town play then I don't know what is.

 

I get that you're the one going head to head with him, but come on.  I know I haven't played here before (hence why I said I'd let others weigh in) but no one plays that transparent as scum.  His actions scream townie biting off more than he can chew with the Ape to me, but what do I know.  I've only played with you for 3 (I think?) years and watched the same thing happen more times than I can recall.

 

Peoples reactions on the two of you is more telling than what he's actually said/done...but that's how I always look at D1, so meh again.  Yeah, yeah...FOS AVM for diffusing the situation.

 

What do you mean I'm too far in? I know exactly what I've been working on here. People's reactions are my primary goal, which is why I've been able to engage him with legitimate observations, but obviously keep my head in the game of noting the reactions of on-lookers. 

 

People do play that transparent as scum here, by the way. I don't know how he could have bitten off more than he could chew, when it was me that snared him pushing an anti-town agenda. He got caught with his pants down, imo.

 

You say you are interested in the reactions to it, but then you continue to try to diffuse it. Not sure why you'd want to stall a lynch out in the first place. Universal rule of mafia is if you are a townie, don't stand in front of a lynch if you don't know the person's alignment. 

 

Seems to me you are playing super-townie. Not sure why.

[AVM]

 

You're too far in to see this one, but meh.  You're going to drive it til the very end.  If trying to get someone MK'd Day 1 and flaming about your name being mistyped is overly emotional, touchy, town play then I don't know what is.

 

I get that you're the one going head to head with him, but come on.  I know I haven't played here before (hence why I said I'd let others weigh in) but no one plays that transparent as scum.  His actions scream townie biting off more than he can chew with the Ape to me, but what do I know.  I've only played with you for 3 (I think?) years and watched the same thing happen more times than I can recall.

 

Peoples reactions on the two of you is more telling than what he's actually said/done...but that's how I always look at D1, so meh again.  Yeah, yeah...FOS AVM for diffusing the situation.

 

What do you mean I'm too far in? I know exactly what I've been working on here. People's reactions are my primary goal, which is why I've been able to engage him with legitimate observations, but obviously keep my head in the game of noting the reactions of on-lookers. 

 

People do play that transparent as scum here, by the way. I don't know how he could have bitten off more than he could chew, when it was me that snared him pushing an anti-town agenda. He got caught with his pants down, imo.

 

You say you are interested in the reactions to it, but then you continue to try to diffuse it. Not sure why you'd want to stall a lynch out in the first place. Universal rule of mafia is if you are a townie, don't stand in front of a lynch if you don't know the person's alignment. 

 

Seems to me you are playing super-townie. Not sure why.

 

Simply giving my input on the situation as opposed to ignoring it

[John McClane]

Simply giving my input on the situation as opposed to ignoring it

 

Understood.

 

How come, if you feel this strongly that cspazz is town, you haven't isolated the people pushing this "Ape case" as potential FOS?

 

I mean, you did SAY watching the reactions was of most value here, but you haven't ACTUALLY pin-pointed any with FOS or any other thoughts really. What you've ACTUALLY done is try to discredit my frame of mind by implying "I'm too close to the arguing" when the reality is, I've demonstrated great clarity between trolling this guy, and defining the tenets of my case on him. At no point have I presented myself as unhinged, you know how I come across when I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, and when I'm not.

 

In short, you've worked to discredit me / stall things - while out of the other side of your mouth stated it's good for gauging reactions, and not weighed in on those reactions.

 

Super-townie play. Especially if cspazz flips town on lynch.

[Leelou]

unvote, vote BooBoo

 

He's been jumping on easy lynch trains.

[John McClane]

unvote, vote BooBoo

 

He's been jumping on easy lynch trains.

 

 

Yup. He is most suspect in all of this.

 

Odds point to me being wrong about cspazz, I'd still like to see him lynched - but playing the odds I'm wrong. 

 

Which means JIF came in here, saw that cspazz pissed off his muffin top (Crusher) and had nothing to say about it, instead he slipped a vote onto cspazz, and scurried off to hide in the shadows (like he did last game) while the Ape's case builds steam?

 

It would be nice if the rest of the people that signed up with show up now.

 

I forgot DM mafia is more about signing up for games, than it is about playing in them.

[AVM]

 

Simply giving my input on the situation as opposed to ignoring it

 

Understood.

 

How come, if you feel this strongly that cspazz is town, you haven't isolated the people pushing this "Ape case" as potential FOS?

 

I mean, you did SAY watching the reactions was of most value here, but you haven't ACTUALLY pin-pointed any with FOS or any other thoughts really. What you've ACTUALLY done is try to discredit my frame of mind by implying "I'm too close to the arguing" when the reality is, I've demonstrated great clarity between trolling this guy, and defining the tenets of my case on him. At no point have I presented myself as unhinged, you know how I come across when I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, and when I'm not.

 

In short, you've worked to discredit me / stall things - while out of the other side of your mouth stated it's good for gauging reactions, and not weighed in on those reactions.

 

Super-townie play. Especially if cspazz flips town on lynch.

 

Fair enough.

 

First off -- don't misunderstand my posting as attempting to "discredit" you.  Was not my intention at all as it struck me as town on town violence.  When I said "you're too far in" I meant that it seemed you were so engaged that you couldn't look at it objectively.  I was more attempting to try and pull you away from him, sort of, which is certainly "super townie" as you're referring to.  Just have no desire to lynch him because of this case, then I'm assuming these folks would turn around and lynch you in return?

 

As for reactions, we're pretty much at the point now that any reactions can be very manufactured.  I'll grab some of the more interesting posts with my thoughts.

[John McClane]

Thanks for the clarifications. 

 

I've stayed objective, don't worry. I course-corrected my play style a number of games back where I stopped letting myself get caught up in trying to win the argument (which created a situation where I would have blinders on) vs. remaining objective (which I am able to do, with great consistency now). 

 

I do sincerely think he has been locking onto cheap reasons for putting heat on people: voted nolder and said it's always a good thing to do, no real reason; called crusher on the carpet for rule breaking in a context where he inferred it was suspicious and needed to be dealt with; voted me and refused to do otherwise because I messed up his name. 

 

None of his position in all 3 situations rings of town play to me. 

 

That said, I do see the angle you present as well, and it's not lost on me that the guy could just really, really suck. Hence me taking the opportunity to push my suspicion on him to create the first polarizing moment in the game = which always results in information to be used later, and to completely lambaste him for making Crusher want to bail on the game.