[Basic]: Girls Gone Wild Mafia

[wheeloftime13]

The person that pings most for me right now is Time.  She's quick to hop on the Kaylee or Hallia bandwagon.  What's your reasoning for me?  Also, if I'm lynched, and if I am, when I flip town, this is something that pings for me as well.

 

 

Thanks Via, that helps us alot. I'm pretty confident that either Hallia or Kay (or both) is mafia then. Hallia is the one I'm feeling most sure about. vote Hallia

 

Us as in town? Or us as in mafia, because now you know who the cop is?  

 

and quick to hop on?? i've already stated my opinion, and unless i'm proven otherwise, then my feel as well as the others are what we have to go on... and if you do flip town, then i ping for you?? what about the others who view you as a likely mafia member??

[Hallia]

*nodnod* I can see me unvoting for Vam looked scummy.  But at that time, I didn't know he for sure if he was mafia or not, and that's all I can say in my defense, so I don't want to keep beating that dead horse.  My list of suspects at the moment are you, Mish, and to an extent, Kaylee.  Having three known townies will help us a lot (csarmi, via, and basel)  We still have a lot of time before the deadline as well, so plenty of time for more debate.

[michellem]

Hallia honestly. I've already explained why knowing who the cop was is and who they viewed is good news for town, bad news for mafia. You stated earlier this game that you look upon me as a good player; do you really think I'm stupid enough to make a slip like that? I don't understand why you even feel like you had to ask. You're really reaching now. And because of that, I'm now suddenly on your suspect-list? Wow. --------- Also Time, "completly blanked"? It's the most important piece of information given in the game so far, and you don't register it? Skimming much? Now I don't remember why I decided that I didn't think the scum team was you two, I gotta go back to my notes and look at that, but you're both looking pretty awful at this point.

[michellem]

Nevermind, I actually never got around to thinking about that because DM was being an ass while I was posting and I had to go to bed. But it was a thought I kept coming back to me while doing my reread. You two simply agree with each other a bit too much. And none of you never really got on Vam did you? Time pointed out once she thought he was scummy, but didn't make a vote. Hallia voted, then unvoted with the "didn't want to leave him at L-1"-business, even though it was the day of deadline and the odds of getting another lynch was minimal, and Time came to do the L-1 vote basically parroting others reasons. And before that, we had the bit about Csarmi. Time is the first to seirously prod him, and the first to vote him. She unvotes after his claim, and then right after Hallia subtly tries to cast doubt on that claim. Then D2. Time wants us to look at Dap's list to see who he was suspicious of. He placed both her and Hallia as town if I remember correctly, so very safe for those two if we focus on that list. Hallia agrees that maybe Dap got too close to someone with his list and that's why he died. Hallia also mentioned maybe one scum was on the Vam lynch, one wasn't. Wich would be the truth if it was those two. Always easier to tell the truth instead of remembering lies... And now Time votes a person viewed as innocent by the cop, and Hallia uses the thinnest reason ever to cast suspicion on me. --------- I'd go through to find quotes, but I can't quote with my DM issues, and anyhow this game is so short everyone should be able to do a reread to find the posts in question.

[wheeloftime13]

yes... i do that after I take my Seroquel and it's been affecting me for a few hours... symptoms are sleepiness, forgetfulness, uncomprehension and other things... i do agree that i look pretty bad because of what i did...

[Hallia]

I'm pretty confident in my reasoning, and it's solidifying even more now.  I think you're mafia, and with so many confirmed town, you're pushing hard on the one mistake I've made, and now with Time having explained herself, her mistake.  I'm willing to bet it's you and Kaylee as the mafia team.

 

Vote Mish

[michellem]

And what are those reasons exactly Hallia? Exactly what about me do you find scummy? And one mistake can often be enough to find mafia. ---- If anyone needed further proof... Hallia is now at two votes. Now, if she was town, that's all the votes she needs for the mafia to swoop in and get her lynched. Notice this hasn't happened.

[Hallia]

Probably because they're not online at the moment, and I think one of them is already voting for me.

[michellem]

Still waiting for your reasons on why I'm scummy.

[Hallia]

You know, I read back through.  You were one of the really really early votes on Vam, along with Via.  The more I cased you, the more you came off as town to me.  Must fight the OMGSUS!

 

Unvote

 

That would put me back with Time and Kaylee being mafia. v.v' This is so harrrrd.

[Basel Gill]

Hally, you say Mish is jumping all over you for your one mistake, but it was still a mistake in the end. You're not playing very town IMO. Casting doubt upon a doc who has no counterclaim doesn't help you.

[Hallia]

o.o I didn't mention Csarmi beyond saying that he was a confirmed townie?

[Basel Gill]

Up until your claim, I was pretty suspicious of this statement.  You wouldn't change it? Even if he were to claim a power role? That's odd.

 

 

Alright, with this sort of inactivity that's high enough.

 

If you want to play it like this, fine, I'm game.

 

I'm the Healer.

 

And even though he corrected himself afterwards, I find this suspicious.  It's really easy to backpedal once people said something about the role being called Doc and say "oh yeah, that's what my role pm says >.>"

 

 

 

 

o.o I didn't mention Csarmi beyond saying that he was a confirmed townie?

Hally, here is what I am talking about. No one else has cc'ed Csarmi. Your comments certainly don't treat him as confirmed.

[Hallia]

Ohhhh yeah, that was pretty soon after it happened.  It was suspicious at first, and would've been fatal had anyone cc'd, but as no one did, it was just an error on his part.

[Kaylee]

I'm the most suspicious of Time and Hally. (I mentioned them as unsure in my notes a few pages back).

i stated my reasoning for you in my list as well as that for Kaylee... but I shall copy and paste it to show it to you again...

 

3. Hallia- the whole thing with Vam and unvoting has me suspicious of her... she said she was going to be around all day, and while i understand that she didn't want mafia to hammer, the deadline was getting closer and closer, and he was looking scummy enough to warrant a lynch... i'm getting a scummy feel from her because of what occurred here..

 

11. Kaylee- Player voted for and was pretty suspicious of her, and I have to say that she's not really been interacting with anybody or really given any views on people and because of this both Mish and Player have found her scummy looking, and I have to agree with them that she is looking slightly scummy, but she hasn't been around too much or interacted with people to get a definite feel...

Time: so you're suspicious of me for Player's reasonsonings? And because others are suspicious of me? Interesting. Any reasons of your own or just following/parroting others on the matter?

 

I will go back to the D1 stuff now that I'm on a computer and can multiquote.

[Kaylee]

Ok, since most are suspicious of this quote/reasoning let me share my thoughts on the matter. (Player's case in case the quotes get messed up). I've numbered the quotes and my comments at the bottom so it should be easier to understand how I am commenting.

 

 

1

 

I follow your logic but want to point this out.

Time said in the sign up thread that she can´t be active until the 27th. That is the only exception to rule 1 that I will allow.

So she sets up to follow Darthe or to not depending on how the general group reacts

Then
2

The part of the theory I agree with is that scum tend to lay low and not stand out.

 
No one mentioned Kaylee or asked her about it, yet she feels the need to qualify it

3

 

I have a lot of issues with your systems darthe

Do you have issues with this one in particular? If so care to share?
 
Same goes for anyone. (Hard to get a feel for people when the main discussion is non game related).

 
Then she gets a little worried when there might be a flaw in the logic. Tries to get everyone to weigh in on this before she commits

4

I can give reasons why I think that if anyone's interested...just wanted to hear other's thoughts on the matter.

  
Realises that she might look like she is non committal and avoiding explaining why she blindly agreed so tries to qualify something no one asked about once again
(Looks like a person trying to make sure they look town)

Then I post this. I don't call her out and I was still mainly talking to Darthe, I just was answering her question
5

The mafia must of posted is my first issue. Not everyones checked in. Most people check in as soon as they see their role PM. So mafia or town people dont check in by a certaib time on alignmebt
also im active as either alignment, sane as others

And look how she thinks I'm calling her out
 

I'm not saying they haven't posted. I'm saying in general they try to lay low and not stand out. If they didn't post at all they'd be replaced most likely.

 
I don't say that she is saying they haven't posted, I was calling out the flaws on darthes logic. Then she goes to the thing that no one will really call her out on, mafia lurk. If they didn't post they would be replaced, yes in the middle of a game. People were still checking in.
Kaylee seems really worried about something not even directed at her just because she agreed with it

I say meta is more useful than going for lurkers and..
  6

Most the time yes. There are a few times when going off of meta has gotten an innocent lynched though. For the most part I use meta.

She takes it so personally

7

 

Mine first
but no innactive lynching please. Mafia will become mmore active and we would judt end up lynching the town players

Sometimes active mafia is a good thing. I'd they're trying to be active, commenting on everything, it's easier for them to slip up. They can either over do it by commenting on every comment/reaction, or by focusing too much (tunneling) on one in particular.
Since they spend so much time staying under the radar, not wanting to be noticed, they tend to have a harder time being vocal.

You mean like needing to go back and amend bits of what they say so people won't find them scummy. Yea mafia tend to do that. Oh wait....! Haven't your been doing that all game?
Very non committal on pretty much everything so far

So yea Vote Kaylee

She's our best bet I think (Player's quote ended here)

 

1 I had said I followed Darthe's logic, not that I had agreed with it wholeheartedly. I also pointed out Time not being around in case he missed it.

 

2 I then decided to share the part of the logic that I did agree with since it was becoming a popular topic. (I was trying to contribute and it was the main topic atm).

 

3 His next comment not true. I wasn't worried about it. I was trying to get those that hadn't said much to weigh in. The more discussion we have D1 the better off we are later in game. That and why not have opposing views? It gives us more to talk about. Player mentioned having issues with Darthe's logical views. I was curious if it was the one mentioned in particular or all of them. I wanted clarity on if he was just shooting it down or making it play. (Basically I was getting a feel for what side he might have been on.)

 

Number 3 is what I would have added had someone been interested in my thoughts for asking. (I find lately in games that when you just offer such strategies that mafia will parrot and just go along with the most logical statements and won't offer any input of their own. I now will try to prompt with questions the get others to give opinions before offering my own.) I wasn't avoiding explaination as Player suggested...just not giving scum another reason to stay quiet and not comment.

 

4 I know he wasn't talking to me in the next part but I wanted to offer another point of view. I didn't think he had called me out but was trying to stay active and comment on the topic. Someone had suggested that they may not have posted because not everyone had checked in. I was saying that they could have checked in, said very little, then not much else. (which is why I was beginning to become suspicious of Basel.)

 

5 I wasn't worried about anything. I was simply pointing it out so that it would be on people's minds before we reached middle of the game. Mafia can sucessfully lurk without needing to be replaced, and often do. I was simply adding another possibility. I find it helpful to look at several angles and possibilites especially so early in the game.

 

  6 My meta comment wasn't me taking it personally. I was simply saying that going off of just meta, or mostly meta, can occassionally get a townie lynched. I was using the comment to again get people thinking. Too often players rely on meta to clear or condemn another player. I think game play should be considered first, meta as backup.

 

7 It wasn't a matter of me being non committal. It was D1 and I was trying to get people to think and comment. I still think active mafia tend to out themselves more often then not.

 

 

[csarmi]

So.

 

Most likely, we've got 5 townies and 2 scum alive.

If we believe the claims, we've got 3 confirmed townies. Unfortunately, the maffia knows all three.

The game for townies is to reduce the number of unconfirmed townies to 0.

The game for scum is to reduce the number of confirmed townies.

 

If we lynch a townie now, we'll be at 4-2 for the night. Say I protect the cop (again, I protected her last night too :D), and they kill me. That's 3-2, and either 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a confirmed scum. 

 

If our cop finds the last missing townie tonight, we will have won. If not, there's gonna be a 3-way standup.

 

Of course it's better if we lynch scum now.

[csarmi]

Also, what I believe is that this is Via's game now. 

 

Her task is to find another townie tonight. Also I'm willing to listen to her on whom to lynch, because in the end, this is gonna be up to her. If you think Mish is town, let's lynch someone else and view her tonight. If you are right, game is over.

If not... we'll see.

[Elaevia]

Ok, headache cleared a bit but have to rush off to work soon so this will be quick.

 

First of all 'parroting' of cases. I get that just repeating ourselves may not be most helpful, but we have so little info with just two days worth of play that it must be difficult to try and say the same thing differently.

 

Thanks for the protect Csarmi :) but I don't think it's right for me to decide who to lynch. I am town, which means I can be wrong if I'm guessing people's alignment! No matter who we lynch there will someone I will be happy to view.

[csarmi]

You will have to make the decision on whom to view tonight. As the point is to confirm a townie, I do suggest that we lynch someone you don't intend to view.

[Elaevia]

ahhhh, I get what you're saying a bit more now.

[csarmi]

Also, you need to find a townie. Finding a scum helps a little in the short term, but in the end it all comes down to having enough confirmed townies... or players alive who know how to guess well.

[Niniel]

Vote Count

 

Hallia (2): Basel, Mish

 

Not voting: Via, Hallia, Csarmi, Time, Kaylee

 

 

It´s now Day 2. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline Friday 9 PM CET. 

[csarmi]

I will be away for most of the day. I'm quite sure I'll be able to come online about 6pm or so. I'm fine with hammering Hallia. 

Theoretically speaking, I'm also fine with a Mish lynch, I still don't like her prodding the Cop to come forward. I also believe that learning her alignment could help a lot. But it's not my call.

 

Hallia, I suggest you come up with some defense and/or add any points you might think of.

 

I think lynching Hallia is a solid choice, btw: I'd be surprised if she turned up townie.

 

Via, think about how you would like to play this. I'll follow your vote.

[Basel Gill]

Csarmi, what made you decide on protecting Via last night? She hadn't come forward yet, you could just as easily targeted yourself.