Hangar 18 [BASIC GAME] Game over! Scum win. Nolder & WBK.

[Nolder]

I have mainly been watching, my apologies.      This is my first game I've ever done, so I am trying to get a feel for how to play, without messing up.  I am trying, but if I'm doing something wrong, feel free to tell me.

You're doing fine. Don't worry about her she picks on people for all the wrong reasons in mafia. There are things you could do to improve your gameplay (post more, analyze more, speak your mind) but you aren't doing anything wrong per say so don't stress about it too much.

[Red2111]

hey Nol, hows the weather up on that high horse of yours you judgmental horses rear

[Nolder]

and while i'm at it, i'm growing tiered of your bitch whine and complaining about the level of activity in this game.

No, it's not ok and I'm not going to stop. All the people who join mafia games and sub out constantly and then join another and lurk 95% of the time are all being extremely rude both to the mod AND to other players of which I have been both. Most people will agree this is a very big issue in DM games and has been for some time but no one is really doing anything about it. As a community we need to take a stand at some point and stop accommodating people who show only minimal interest in participating.

 

stop mini modding Nol, it aint kosher, peace is happy with the activity level, and hes a good mod that i trust knows how to run a  game properly as hes not new to how things are done; and that is good enough for me, as it should be for everyone playing in HIS game.

First of all, as you said it is Peace's game and he knows what he is doing. I am positive that if he has an issue with anything I've said he will PM me about it so you don't need to speak on his behalf. Secondly your presumption that he is in fact happy with the activity level of the game is ridiculous. He might be, true, but how would you know? And for that matter even if he is why would that have any bearing on my happiness with the activity level of the game?

 

 for only 9 players, we've skipped the normal day one bullshanks spam on page 1 of this game and are now 8 pages deep in actual game related content, not spam not fluff but actual info gathering juicy tid bits to help with finding scum.  the game seems inactive because there are 9 players.  regardless if this is a new tactic for distraction or a legit beef, stop mini modding, get off yer high horse and be thankful we dont have to wade chest deep in spam.

I don't even know where to start with this. First of all you think 8 pages in 4 days and some odd hours is a GOOD level of activity for NINE players? That's absolutely horrendous. We're averaging about 35 posts a day between 4 people with an acceptable activity level. That's like 9 posts per day per person that is actually participating. And that's good? No, it's not good, not at all. Secondly spam can be overwhelming if it gets out of control but it also serves a purpose. It gets everyone in a good mood in the beginning and breaks the ice and gets people posting. It allows for people with such roles as symps and lie detectors chances to hint and bait other people without being obvious. And later in the game it can break tension and soothe tempers. It can get out of control but it's a little bit like oil keeping the game running smooth and not having any at all can be a very bad thing.

 

if your that unhappy about it, then ask to be replaced.  otherwise, bite the bullet and start actually playing instead of complaining. 

First of all, I have been playing. At no time have I let this conversation dominate my vision on the game. I am still reacting to other game related posts and responding in kind. Note my posts about lynching vs no lynching and my vote on Darthe. Secondly I've considered asking to be replaced. I still might but for now I would rather not leave Peace hanging like that and I hope that the game will pick up on day 2.

 

9 times out of 10 the nilla townies are the inactive ones, so lynching from the inactives (though gratifying for us who find it teeth grindingly annoying) will hurt us and do the scums job for them.  not only do you have a very high chance of hitting town rather than scum, you also give us no info from the lynch.

That's not true. In my experience it's just as likely that someone who is inactive is town or mafia. And also if you just silently agree to lynch an inactive then maybe you wont get much info but if there is discussion you can gauge who was for and against the lynch which can be useful down the line. You also get their role revealed which in this case could help us determine which setup we are in.

 

 if anything, his attitude towards Tress is likely driving her to be away from this game, i know in her shoes i'd be more than pissed at Nol and woudl be purposefully lurking just to spite him for the way he's going about it.

If someone was going to do that that is not someone I would want to be playing a game with anyway. She has nothing to be angry at me for. 

[Darthe]

Hey Nol, I agree with you on some parts of the above. The only reason I haven't asked to be replaced or given this one up is because I don't wanna hurt the team any more than I already have. My play has been way off, but effort must be made to get somewhere. I tell you this, You're voting the wrong person.

[Darthe]

@ Darthe - you'll find out soon enough that i'm speaking the truth in my comments both towards your actions with Lia (ie: why your targetting her) and with Nols suggesting on why to lynch Tress. it maybe blunt, and you lot may not like to hear it, but its my honest opinion about it.

 

i'm not protecting her, just expressing my dislike about your tactic in general

 

 

 

i'm also unsure what to think about his last minute push for a No Lynch. Cloud is shadowing Mish again, as he's been doing ALL GAME!! infact Cloud is doing nothing more than shadowing everyone and not playing on his own two feet. my vote stays because my gut knows he's scum

 

 

 

Mish -

 

 

I don't have a lot of thoughts; I haven't gotten a very good grip on this game yet. Having three games starting at once and then loosing internet for a day messed up my mental notes :P I'm leaning on agreeing with Red that no lynch may be the better option today. I don't think anyone has stuck out to much in any direction to warrant a lynch, and since we're such a small game I think we'd benefit from the added time. That together with who gets NKed I think gives us better chances at actually finding mafia instead of lynching townies.

 

 

 

My first game was the one the Blues run during Harry Potter week in the WT in the Tower, and I got a bit of a shock when I moved over to the normal mafia games; the game I played was very soft and gentle, so it took me a long time to adjust to the tempo in here Not saying it's hostile or unfriendly; I actually prefer this. I'm still looking forward to HP week and playing the HP game again

seriously, you have absolutely no comment on either mine of Darthes interaction. i'm going to yell this, so have thine ears prepared.

 

STOP . FENCE . SITTING!!! literally drives me nuts and is about the single most scummiest thing a person can do in these games. only scum are afraid to take sides, now pick one and get off the fence.

 

 

 

Nol -

Red you always do this. Anyone who is the least bit critical of you you turn around and go after them. At this time I don't think Cloud is at all mafia and I don't know why you do besides the fact that he didn't just go with your flow. You need to stop antagonizing people into voting you because more often than not you're both town.

Cloud isn't criticizing me, he actually agreed with me. stop skimming.

 

 

and while i'm at it, i'm growing tiered of your bitch whine and complaining about the level of activity in this game. stop mini modding Nol, it aint kosher, peace is happy with the activity level, and hes a good mod that i trust knows how to run a game properly as hes not new to how things are done; and that is good enough for me, as it should be for everyone playing in HIS game. for only 9 players, we've skipped the normal day one bullshanks spam on page 1 of this game and are now 8 pages deep in actual game related content, not spam not fluff but actual info gathering juicy tid bits to help with finding scum. the game seems inactive because there are 9 players. regardless if this is a new tactic for distraction or a legit beef, stop mini modding, get off yer high horse and be thankful we dont have to wade chest deep in spam.

 

if your that unhappy about it, then ask to be replaced. otherwise, bite the bullet and start actually playing instead of complaining.

 

 

Darthe -

 

 

 

 

 

 

We need to come to a consensus before tomorrow people. If we leave it to tomorrow that's cutting it too close.

I am willing to switch back to Darthe if necessary but I really prefer a policy lynch in this case. I mean seriously the thread moved less than 2 pages while I was asleep during the day. That's a terrible level of activity.

This post is terrible though the one about Red before it was better. I can't decide what I think of you now Nol.

 

Also, policy lynch is a wasted day and I would rather no lynch than intentionally waste a life.

It's not wasted as everyone is a suspect on some level. If we lynch anyone it removes them from the pool of suspects and brings us that much closer to finding mafia, assuming they aren't mafia in the first place. Do the math Darthe, No Lynch is the waste here.

I said that earlier but inactive is actually worse. I understand your logic, you're attempting to use the cop like Red is except you want to wean their numbers where red wants to view them. Your strategy really does work better. But today is a poor day for it. If we were going to lynch an inactive I would prefer it be someone who hasnt given content rather than someone who hasn't posted much. Hallia for example. Call it a gut feeling if you will.

9 times out of 10 the nilla townies are the inactive ones, so lynching from the inactives (though gratifying for us who find it teeth grindingly annoying) will hurt us and do the scums job for them. not only do you have a very high chance of hitting town rather than scum, you also give us no info from the lynch.

 

i do have to say that if your aim with Lia is to reinforce that lurking and inactivity isn't how the game is played and lynch her for it; all you'll do is drive away new players. very few of us jumped on the game and started whacking sticks with the big game and going toe to toe, infact Darthe i recall your first games on DM rather well and you were non to plus about jumping right in especially on D1.

 

this isn't to say that her current level of inactivity and non-comment isn't raising eyebrows,i'm not one to favor auto passes for newbs or treating them with kiddy gloves, but at the same time i do tend to give them a bit of a benefit of the doubt for their first few games until the get the just of things and the basics. however, i dislike using an auto lynch for quiet newbs in this game to try and cull out inactivity and make the active (which i feel is what your doing), just as much as Nols notion of principle lynching or whatever he called it. if anything, his attitude towards Tress is likely driving her to be away from this game, i know in her shoes i'd be more than pissed at Nol and woudl be purposefully lurking just to spite him for the way he's going about it.

 

 

Lia -

O.o Wait, did I do something wrong? I find the way you target me to be suspicious sir.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Darthe

really, Darthes been on you all night and this right now is all you have to say.

In a single post you managed to, with quotes, argue both sides of every hot topic in the game so far and chastise someone for fence sitting at the same time. This has more direct contradictions in it than a starburst commercial, I have no idea how you're even alive.

[Red2111]

Darthe - i am not controdicting my self, i have clearly stated my points on each topic

 

- no lynch thing was never something i was actually considering for this game, i only argued that way this time to get reactions.  i explained this before

 

- i've been pressuring you from the get go on your "lynch the newb" campaign, my feelings abotu that haven't changed, just my assumption of your motive behind this push.

 

- i've also been against Nols "policy" lynch pledge and openly so.  only now am i voicing my gripe with his continued whining abotu it and trying to push it as our main focus this game.

 

- the comment towards Lia was my way of commenting on her lack of comment, which i've also previously remarked on and agreed she does need to start commenting more.

 

 

your reading on me Darth is 100% wrong in this game and your gut pings on me are out of wack, setting aside the fact that i always ping you as scum.   i'm not the one that will end with egg on my face in this one.

 

 

 

Nol - i'm not entering into a flame war with you over this nor a pissing contest abotu it.  you may have commenting on current events but 90% of your content is targetted towards complaining about inactivity.   how about instead of pushing a policy lynch you do some actual scum work and start casing people?  because right now your antics ring as a distraction tool and i aint buying it.

[Nolder]

Nol - i'm not entering into a flame war with you over this nor a pissing contest abotu it.  you may have commenting on current events but 90% of your content is targetted towards complaining about inactivity.  

 

You really wanna accuse me of being offtopic? I will quote and judge every single damn post I have made in this game so far and do the math if you really want me to. We both know it's no where near 90% so please don't exaggerate like that.

 

how about instead of pushing a policy lynch you do some actual scum work and start casing people?  because right now your antics ring as a distraction tool and i aint buying it.

Maybe if you payed attention to the game instead of complaining about me you'd realize I have revoted Darthe.

[_CLOUD]

Ok I'm having a fever atm so I don't have much patience anymore. Quoting would be too bothersome for me now so I'm just going to write everything out. 

 

@Red: I'm NOT shadowing ANYONE. I was the first to vote on Darthe with a case made by myself. I was also the first to case Kronos after everyone seemed to have ignored his comments. Saying that I was shadowing Mish throughout the whole game, or anyone for that matter, is plain bs. I'm doing by best to stand on my own two feet. Yes, I admit, I took your and Mish's comments about Darthe and incorperated them in my reasoning to vote on him, but that was just because I found the comments on his meta good and they drew me over the line. On page 6 I thought for sure that you were scum, but I'm not so certain anymore. That is the reason why I voted for a no lynch. We need more time. 

[Darthe]

^ That is true.  

 

I can see we aren't going to lynch her today anyhow.

 

I hate doing this but if it is a choice between losing a confirmed townie and nothing I choose nothing.

 

Vote No lynch

 

God I hope our cop is experienced enough to get this metagame.

[Hallia]

 

I have mainly been watching, my apologies.      This is my first game I've ever done, so I am trying to get a feel for how to play, without messing up.  I am trying, but if I'm doing something wrong, feel free to tell me.

You're doing fine. Don't worry about her she picks on people for all the wrong reasons in mafia. There are things you could do to improve your gameplay (post more, analyze more, speak your mind) but you aren't doing anything wrong per say so don't stress about it too much.

The main reason I've been hesitant about posting a lot is because I don't know everyone that well, and I'm still not the most confident in speaking my mind.  But I will do so, even if I'm way off with my ideas.  One thing that does strike me is that Darthe really does seem to care about what happens to townies, he just doesn't strike me as being scummy...well, at least, besides the targeting the newb thing. XD

 

Unvote 

Vote No Lynch

[michellem]

Don't worry about speaking your mind Hallia. It's a fact that as a newbie, you'll probably spend the first few games dying on the first couple of days each game. In the course of my five first games, I was lynched Day 1 in two of them :P It's a steep learning curve, but you'll get there :) And the more you dare to jump in and post and make mistakes, the faster you learn :) You'll get called suspicious whatever you do I'm afraid; if you hang back and go with the flow too much, people will call you out on that, and if you jump in with guns blazing from the get-go, you'll get called out on that too. It's nothing personal, it's just mafia :P A lot of times people don't even do it  to get a reaction from you, but see how other players react to the interaction between you and them.

 

 

And I think that was hammer vote?

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I think bit was Mish. Hallia - some people will point out your every flaw as a newb simply because that's the best way to learn. You won't know that you are doing something wrong unless you are told.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

And that was supposed to be "I think it was Mish" instead of what I put above.

[Darthe]

Don't worry about speaking your mind Hallia. It's a fact that as a newbie, you'll probably spend the first few games dying on the first couple of days each game. In the course of my five first games, I was lynched Day 1 in two of them :P It's a steep learning curve, but you'll get there :) And the more you dare to jump in and post and make mistakes, the faster you learn :) You'll get called suspicious whatever you do I'm afraid; if you hang back and go with the flow too much, people will call you out on that, and if you jump in with guns blazing from the get-go, you'll get called out on that too. It's nothing personal, it's just mafia :P A lot of times people don't even do it  to get a reaction from you, but see how other players react to the interaction between you and them.

 

 

And I think that was hammer vote?

 

 

Yes it was.  I recall living til endgame in a lot of my earlier games but at the time I sort of chamelioned.  Now things don't go that way anymore, for good and bad.  

[michellem]

Well not everyone can be master mafia players from the beginning Darthe :P

[Songstress]

Hmm.  Apologies for going missing yesterday.  My intent when I got home from work last night was to sit down and do a long post with my reads and a few things I've taken note of along the way, but by the time I ate dinner I had a massive headache building and decided to go to bed early and get up to place a vote before work.  And by the time I woke up, we had a consensus on no lynch.

 

No lynch doesn't bother me for D1, we had a pretty good amount of discussion and interaction despite the relatively short D1 and the small number of people.  Will save my thoughts for D2.

[peacesells]

Oh God - You think to yourself.  We are never gonna get anywhere with this mindless bickering. 

 

The day has been long.  12 hours of bickering with each other.  It's obvious that some don't really understand what's going on.

 

Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong?  We are supposed to kill one of our group with little to no evidence.  No...we should sleep on it.  Wake up in the morning with clear heads.  Hadn't someone already mentioned that before?

 

"Yes," You speak out.  "I agree.  Let's all get a good nights rest and discuss this in the morning.  We are getting no where.  This whole thing is absurd."

 

Others nod in agreement.  The group starts to pull out the army blankets that have been left in the corner.  You settle down on the hard cold floor.  Green woolen blanket pulled up over you.  You fall asleep hoping to resolve the issue quickly in the morning.  Even in sleep, your heart races at the thought of what's to be discovered.

 

Final Vote Count:

 

Cloud: (1)  Red

Darthe: (1) Nolder

No Lynch: (5) Mish, Cloud, WBK, Darthe, Hallia

 

No Lynch has taken place.

 

Please submit night actions by 11 am MST Monday 1/21/13.

[Red2111]

Nol - i'm not accusing you of being off topic, i'm accusing you of using it as a distraction from hunting out scum

 

Cloud - imo you're shadowing, i'm planning on pulling a case pointing these out against you D2

Mish - good points about the game.

 

Lia - Mafia is a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" expect everything you do and dont do to be analyzed, twisted, chewed and spat back at you, nothing in Mafia is every personal but people do aim to get under the skin sometimes and push buttons to get reactions or to set you up.  the game is ever changing, so no one is truely a master and everyone has their brilliant moments and less than brilliant ones.

 

Darthe - confirmed townie?  we have no one like that so far, unless you know something i dont.  and didn't you just call me and mish out for directing the finder, then do the same exact thing in your own post

 

 

 

 

[Darthe]

I'm confirmed to myself and it was me or no lynch Red. And I avoided cop directing. Praying they know what they're doing isn't telling them what to do.

[peacesells]

MOD NOTE.

 

Songstress was dangerously close to mod action due to low post count.  Pick it up. 

[Darthe]

Well not everyone can be master mafia players from the beginning Darthe :P

 

I wish I was hell, I would settle for decent.

[Red2111]

thats much different than a "confirmed townie" darthe.

 

i know i'm town, but ya;ll dont.  i'm not confirmed in thread until a cop views me and says so on thread.  which i wouldn't expect them to out themselves for btw.  and i do think what you did was directing the cop

[peacesells]

You smell coffee.  You crack open your eyes and see a table set up with coffee pots and donuts.  Yawning, you stretch out your arms and push yourself up.  You work out the kinks as you head to the table.

 

"Good morning," you say to one of the others doing the same.

 

"How'd you sleep?"

 

"Crappy. You?"

 

"The same."

 

A short time later everyone is gathered around the table having their breakfast making small talk when you hear a door open and shut.

 

"This is very disappointing." Vic states. 

 

Everyone turns to see the skeletal man walking towards the group.

 

"I need the scum dead NOW!" He bellows.  "Get to it!"

 

With that he turns and walks out.

 

IT IS DAY 2.  WITH 9 ALIVE IT TAKES 5 TO LYNCH

 

DEADLINE IS WEDNESDAY 3PM MST.

[Nolder]

So either the doc protected or the mafia is gonna screw with us and force us to lynch first. Either way that's fine by me.

Can we please stop being dumb and make a lynch now?

 

Vote Darthe

[Nolder]

Oh and Hallia, just in case you got the doctor role the person you protected (hopefully yourself as you shouldn't know who to trust yet) is prooobably town

I wouldn't have expected anyone in this game to us a no kill tactic so that's a pretty safe bet

 

Also if you are a cop and you have a guilty it's probably best to out that ASAP since the person you guiltied might be a roleblocker or at the least the doc (if we have one hopefully) can protect you but either way a 1 for 1 trade with only 2 scum in the game is a really good deal

 

If you have an innocent don't out that as it just makes you and that person a target

If they are getting lynched try to stop the lynch without being too obvious but either way it's best not to out innos except in special circumstances

 

And yeah that all applies to anyone else of course but I'm sure the rest of you know that stuff already