[Advanced] Bloodlust Mafia Game Over!

[Basel Gill]

I just had a sudden wild-ass thought. Is it possible that BG is town, and has been telling the truth, but Darthe has some wacky mechanic (redirection or something else?) in play that caused him to get false results, so that he would honestly believe Mynd and Ishy are masons when they're really scum? It would explain BG's claims and Mynd and Ishy's scummy actions.

[John E. Kelley]

I just had a sudden wild-ass thought. Is it possible that BG is town, and has been telling the truth, but Darthe has some wacky mechanic (redirection or something else?) in play that caused him to get false results, so that he would honestly believe Mynd and Ishy are masons when they're really scum? It would explain BG's claims and Mynd and Ishy's scummy actions.

 

Man, you really don't want us to be Town do you?

[_CLOUD]

I just had a sudden wild-ass thought. Is it possible that BG is town, and has been telling the truth, but Darthe has some wacky mechanic (redirection or something else?) in play that caused him to get false results, so that he would honestly believe Mynd and Ishy are masons when they're really scum? It would explain BG's claims and Mynd and Ishy's scummy actions.

 

Dude, you are creating way too much confusion in the game. First you were sceptical of BG's claim and now you are outright buddying up with him. All this WIFOM that you have written in the last few pages is extremely scummy imo. 

[Turin Turambar]

Basel, you generally don't try to discover a redirect or insanity by reverse lynching a not guilty type result. That would be chasing shadows IMO as you could chase that and never find the true cause. That is a bit of a stretch.

 

Is that a lynch on Rand? He hasn't really defended himself very much. sort of odd.

 

 

We really need an official VC. Darthe!!!! 

[Basel Gill]

Man, you really don't want us to be Town do you?

 

 

Well, you're not coming off as town, regardless of what BG says about you. BG started off looking iffy with his hint, but has eventually given me a trustworthy vibe. You started off looking scummy, and Mynd has been acting like he has in the past when I've seen him as scum, and has gone out of his way to be evasive. Does being backed up as masons by BG give you two the license to act scummier?

[Darthe]

Final Vote Count for Day 2:

 

JLM (2/9): Ishy, Kaylee

 

Mynd (1/9): Dice

 

Basel (1/9): Rand

 

Rand (9/9):Turin, Basel, BG, Pandy, Mish, Cloud, TG, Mynd, Lenlo

 

Kae (1/7): despo

 

Not Voting (3/17):

 

 Lzm, JLM, Kae

[Darthe]

Jonathan Harker strove to be more, to be the best of them all.  He had been one of the first to discover Dracula's cruel secret.  Yet the group turned on him.  Suspicions could make the best of men into something they were not, a fact he knew all too well.  His words would not appease them and within moments he was lifted and thrown off one of the many opulent balconies of Castle Dracul.

 

 

John Harker, AKA Rand, 2 shot JoaT (Vig/cop) has been lynched.  

 

 

It is now night, more will be updated later.  You have 24 hours from the time of this post to submit all actions.

[Turin Turambar]

Darthe, why does Kae show as only needing 7 votes to lynch?

[michellem]

Either a mistake, or she's hit some kind of trigger?

[Darthe]

Just a lil typo. It might amuse you all to know that if today went random that Rand was to be the only one to die anyhow. I

[Turin Turambar]

Thanks for the clarification Darthe.

 

And very ironic about Rand.

[Basel Gill]

Just a lil typo. It might amuse you all to know that if today went random that Rand was to be the only one to die anyhow. I

 

You mean you decide who will randomly die in advance, before you even know there is no majority? :blink:

[Darthe]

Lol Basel I occasionally write scenes before the game starts. Prep time for one if my games can last several months. For those interested in knowing, this game was balance checked by Wombat in... November I think?

[Kaylee]

I know it's night but I wanted to get my thoughts out there.

Oh Ishy

 

 

Des, I'm not quite sure what to think about your post about claiming... I've seen you say the exactly opposite in other games on that exact subject.

 

 

I think either Rand or Basel is scum; and of the two I'm leaning more towards Rand. I don't think I've ever played with Rand as mafia, and his game so far doesn't quite line up with how I've gotten to know his play. Vote Rand

Why Basel Mish? I understand about Rand, I was leaning that way myself. Just curious why as there was no reason listed.

 

VC please!

 

 

Mynd, are you denying you are masons with Ishy? 

 

I will not be on at the DL, or much at all until probably Tuesday. Just saying.

Kae: I can understand about not being around, but why not place a vote?

[michellem]

Kay: The back and forth between Rand and Basel looked very much like one mafia, one town.

[Darthe]

Hello all, please note that I made an error in my assessment of Harker's role.  He is actually a JoaT (1 shot vig, 1 shot cop).  This has been updated.  My condolences on your loss.  He was a good man.

 

- A Watcher from Afar.

[cosmicpanda]

Now, that is interesting indeed. I wonder if he used the cop investigation last night - perhaps on Ishy? 

[dicetosser1]

lol  the Dark One took your planning and fed it to the taint Darthe

[Kaylee]

 

Kay: The back and forth between Rand and Basel looked very much like one mafia, one town.

Thanks for the explanation Mish

[Turin Turambar]

I just went back and looked at Day 2 after Christmas. If Rand had looked at one of the three and got an innocent result  it would explain his strong belief in them. He was very confident in them. It is possible that he did view one of them.

 

I did come away a little more suspicious of JLM and Cloud after my review. I also think that LZM needs to be checked on as he has been very much absent.

[hazelkrs1]

Des, I'm not quite sure what to think about your post about claiming... I've seen you say the exactly opposite in other games on that exact subject.

 

 

I think either Rand or Basel is scum; and of the two I'm leaning more towards Rand. I don't think I've ever played with Rand as mafia, and his game so far doesn't quite line up with how I've gotten to know his play. Vote Rand

 

To the first paragraph: Prove it. I doubt you can, because I have had the same opinion about early claiming for some time now, since before your time I should say. I will say there is a difference between early claiming, and claiming without any significant pressure. Night claims for instance, are just terrible. But claiming when you already have a few votes on you, and you have been the subject of a lot of conversation in the day? I don't find that to be anti-town at all, in fact quite the opposite. And as for mason claims, I have made it very clear multiple times that I think a mason teams greatest utility comes from it's claim, as in the earlier the claim, the better. I pondered claiming right out the gate last time I was a mason.

 

To the second, I have seen Basel's play too be much more anti-town of late, so for you to think that Rand was the scummier of the two troubles me somewhat, to say the least.

 

*pokes Cloud* Not looking too good there yourself dear, showing up straight after being mentioned.

 

And then we have this. Last time you were mafia, you had a post almost exactly like this. You might have even used the exact same wording "Not looking too good for yourself there!". Looks like a soft attempt at discrediting someone.

 

With little time left I think the Rand lynch will give us good info both on Rand himself and also on those who have pushed his lynch/bandwagoned onto his lynch. I am more inclined to believe Ishy and Mynd on the mason claim, though it feels more like Mynd is trying to just mess with everyone rather than do anything useful.

vote Rand

 

Scummy vote post right here. You yourself point out that time is an issue, so why try and prop the Rand lynch as a good info lynch when it was really more of an issue of consolidation? Plus, you say we can examine the pushers and bandwagoners, yet you yourself are bandwagoning pretty blatantly.

 

 

Mynd, can you please show the post where I said or implied that it was Peace's fault? I have asked before to no avail so if you have no evidence then I will just ignore your poking at me.

 

It sounds like you are still trying to mischaracterize me. Why I have no idea.  

 

I would also like to see Mynd supply where Turin said this. Like I mentioned previously, it is well within Mynd's scum meta to talk about someone saying stuff they never actually said, then ignore anyone calling him out on it.

 

@Mynd, Turin has asked you to show where he said this multiple times now, and you still have yet to produce it. You have been having internet issues, but you have still come on to post a few times, and your evasiveness on this subject is not helping your mason claim. BG's reveal backing you as town has been believable. Your own behavior, and Ishy's behavior, has been far from it.

 

This is an example of one of those posts where Basel is displaying antitown behavior. He says himself that BG's backing up Mynd and Ishy is believable, yet continues to try and discredit Mynd. Either BG's defense of Mynd is acceptable or not, to continue pushing against them while also trying to accept BG's info just reeks of scumminess.

 

I think we should give Mynd and Ishy the benefit of the doubt atleast for today, especially with BG's backing them up, though I wish he would tell us why/how he got the info.

 

Vote Rand

 

Rand will tell us alot of what we need to know right now. He is a really good info lynch and im not really sure of how I feel about him throwing his FoS around on first Turin, then Basel.

 

Sorry havnt been that active, but JLM's game is over so now I can focus on this one.

 

Another late bandwagon vote that tries to explain itself by saying Rand was a good info lynch. I don't like it. Not one bit. Just admit when you're consolidating folks.

 

I just had a sudden wild-ass thought. Is it possible that BG is town, and has been telling the truth, but Darthe has some wacky mechanic (redirection or something else?) in play that caused him to get false results, so that he would honestly believe Mynd and Ishy are masons when they're really scum? It would explain BG's claims and Mynd and Ishy's scummy actions.

 

 

Basel, you generally don't try to discover a redirect or insanity by reverse lynching a not guilty type result. That would be chasing shadows IMO as you could chase that and never find the true cause. That is a bit of a stretch.

 

Basically, this. Basel pinging on my scumdar like a geiger counter in Chernobyl.

[michellem]

Des, you led the lynch on me on D1 in the Elantris game I think, because I claimed too early...

Like I said to Kay; the convo between Rand and Basel looked very strongly like one townie/one mafia. My gut said Rand was the mafia, and I was wrong.

 

And I don't remember saying something like that to anyone when being mafia... But feel free to show me :P

[RandA lThor]

Go Town!

[Myndrunner]

Now, that is interesting indeed. I wonder if he used the cop investigation last night - perhaps on Ishy? 

 

 

BG, I assume that we will not hear the good reason that you believe their mason claim. That Ishy is gone for the next two days so can not give us more thoughts and reasons for what they did. Mynd seems to have vanished again after his shot at me, which no one has been able or willing to show where I actually blamed Peace for something. I am sure he has internet issues again.

 

Cosmic, I am fine with people doing rereads. It is posting that you are going to do a reread which means they are not posting thoughts at that time. It comes off as posting to say that you are not posting now. But will later. Too often the promised thoughts never arrive.  Don't like my play? too bad. Tunnelling? I prefer to think of it as determined, but others have viewed it that way. However I have also given thoughts about others throughout the game. I haven't liked Mynd's play the entire game and So I voted him. I meant it all along as a real vote that I did put on as a joke. If you play with me I don't really joke vote anymore and haven't for some time. I didn't like the way he took a shot at a newer player for being "excited". darthe comes up with some serious wicked stuff in his games so it is natural to be excited for the game to start. that his entire game has been filled with fabrication put him in my bad books. That he refuses to acknowledge his subterfuge has kept him there. I stated quite clearly why I was suspicious of those defending him. If you think me wrong for my opinion say so. 

 

 The reason I feel that they should have claimed earlier is that they knew at 24 hours(or should have IMO) that they were going to have to. Therefore to wait until they did comes across as a blindside hachet job on what turned out to be a townie. I voted Mynd cause I am willing to lynch him if he can't convince me of his innocence. BG has come out with what he says is a valid reason to believe their claim. To BG I say fair enough. I can switch to one of the defenders for now.

 

Unvote, Vote Rand

 

Everyone has been pretty silent for the past few days. Now that it is game back on we can look to see who is active and who is not.

 

Let us not forget that Turin began our focus on Rand quite suddenly when the lynch on me began to fizzle. 

[Basel Gill]

This is an example of one of those posts where Basel is displaying antitown behavior. He says himself that BG's backing up Mynd and Ishy is believable, yet continues to try and discredit Mynd. Either BG's defense of Mynd is acceptable or not, to continue pushing against them while also trying to accept BG's info just reeks of scumminess.

 

I'm not trying to discredit Mynd or Ishy. Since I'm getting a truthful read on BG, I have Mynd and Ishy as town. But they aren't behaving as town. Like you just said about me, they are displaying antitown behavior. If they are town, then I wish they would act like it. Starting with Mynd providing the stuff he claims Turin said.