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Gabriel Kross · October 18, 2012

Honestly if you didn't figure out the exchange between me and Ishy you're pretty blind. However, I will state this, I have jailed Verb every night so far.

because?

You have obviously not been paying attention, or you are scum. I've been after Verb and Darthe since day 1, I will not go back and quote my posts saying why. You go back and look yourself.

Gabriel Kross · October 18, 2012

Vote Songstress . Cop and Joat gone, that's not good.

Last I checkerd we have not lost the cop.

Red2111 · October 18, 2012

still haven't caught up. sorry all, running on 4 hours of sleep here.

am starting me catch up now (about 10 pages worth)

a few points before i go.

- no ones commented on my analysis of Mish and JLM (who have both disappeared back into lurkdom after pressure stopped) i want to know why.

- no Tress i dont have any new info from when i died, i told you i backed off Strike becuase of the NK on me feelign like a set up. my gut instinct happened to be right.

- Minecraft is very addictive. not only have i been playing it hours on end and enjoying the hell out of it (even though the flipping game decided to go Gilligans Island on me and drop me on an island in the middle of the ocean with 2 ingame days worth of travel to get to proper land) but apparently my subconcious finds the game relaxing enough to continue minning for ores in my dreams o.0 last night in my dreams i foudn diamonds, in game last night i found Emeralds :happy: i like Emeralds.

- EP he's talking about Red 1.0 Role Cop.

JLM

my reasons haven't changed.

bgrishinko · October 18, 2012

Vote Songstress . Cop and Joat gone, that's not good.

Last I checkerd we have not lost the cop.

That was ROLE Cop NS.

I'm going to go back to my gut feeling here on Red today. Vote Red

bgrishinko · October 18, 2012

Ninja'd by Red. I need to go back and re-read the case on Mish and JLM.

Songstress · October 18, 2012

- no Tress i dont have any new info from when i died, i told you i backed off Strike becuase of the NK on me feelign like a set up. my gut instinct happened to be right

I don't know who you intended to address this comment to, but obviously not me. I don't believe I've even said anything about your 180 on Nightstrike.

ed2funy · October 18, 2012

If you think she is scum, are you taking her cases as legit? Or are you just looking for something to go with your gut?

bgrishinko · October 18, 2012

If you think she is scum, are you taking her cases as legit? Or are you just looking for something to go with your gut?

Yeah, something to go with the gut. Sometimes the gut is wrong because of the expired hot dogs I ate and needs some backing up with evidence. Also, I think she's scum doesn't mean I can't gleam info from her casings. She got pouty about nobody reading them, least I can do is be able to talk intelligently about her arguments.

ed2funy · October 18, 2012

She got pouty about nobody reading them, least I can do is be able to talk intelligently about her arguments.

LMAO. Oh jeez, when she sees this. Can't wait. :laugh:

And ok.

Red2111 · October 18, 2012

Red 2.0 is confusing me. I know people have already mentioned this, but she's just so different than Red 1.0, especially with the whole Night thing. I don't know if she's scum or not, but she seems to have more information now than she did as Red 1.0.

shit Tress your right. thsi was what i was addressing. retract Tresses name on that and imput Cyan's.

JenLenaMom · October 18, 2012

Honestly if you didn't figure out the exchange between me and Ishy you're pretty blind. However, I will state this, I have jailed Verb every night so far.

because?

You have obviously not been paying attention, or you are scum. I've been after Verb and Darthe since day 1, I will not go back and quote my posts saying why. You go back and look yourself.

I realize that. It was really early and I think the question I meant to ask was were you protecting him or role-blocking him, because I think there was some discussion early in teh game about Jailer also working as a protective role.

JenLenaMom · October 18, 2012

still haven't caught up. sorry all, running on 4 hours of sleep here.

am starting me catch up now (about 10 pages worth)

a few points before i go.

- no ones commented on my analysis of Mish and JLM (who have both disappeared back into lurkdom after pressure stopped) i want to know why.

- no Tress i dont have any new info from when i died, i told you i backed off Strike becuase of the NK on me feelign like a set up. my gut instinct happened to be right.

- Minecraft is very addictive. not only have i been playing it hours on end and enjoying the hell out of it (even though the flipping game decided to go Gilligans Island on me and drop me on an island in the middle of the ocean with 2 ingame days worth of travel to get to proper land) but apparently my subconcious finds the game relaxing enough to continue minning for ores in my dreams o.0 last night in my dreams i foudn diamonds, in game last night i found Emeralds i like Emeralds.

- EP he's talking about Red 1.0 Role Cop.

JLM

my reasons haven't changed.

I got "lurky" because it was the weekend same as you do.

Red2111 · October 18, 2012

If you think she is scum, are you taking her cases as legit? Or are you just looking for something to go with your gut?

Yeah, something to go with the gut. Sometimes the gut is wrong because of the expired hot dogs I ate and needs some backing up with evidence. Also, I think she's scum doesn't mean I can't gleam info from her casings. She got pouty about nobody reading them, least I can do is be able to talk intelligently about her arguments.

so in other words. you still have no case one me, your goign on gut with nothing concrete to back up your vote and are bulldogging me. therefor your trying to twist my question about why no one responded to my points on Mish and JLM as an emote response and are trying to find soemthign legit to fling at me.

i question why your hanging onto this bone so hard and fixating on me while practically ignoring everyone else.

Gabriel Kross · October 18, 2012

Honestly if you didn't figure out the exchange between me and Ishy you're pretty blind. However, I will state this, I have jailed Verb every night so far.

because?

You have obviously not been paying attention, or you are scum. I've been after Verb and Darthe since day 1, I will not go back and quote my posts saying why. You go back and look yourself.

I realize that. It was really early and I think the question I meant to ask was were you protecting him or role-blocking him, because I think there was some discussion early in teh game about Jailer also working as a protective role.

blocking obviously

peacesells · October 18, 2012

VOTE BG

Yup...still think he is scum.

JenLenaMom · October 18, 2012

Honestly if you didn't figure out the exchange between me and Ishy you're pretty blind. However, I will state this, I have jailed Verb every night so far.

because?

You have obviously not been paying attention, or you are scum. I've been after Verb and Darthe since day 1, I will not go back and quote my posts saying why. You go back and look yourself.

I realize that. It was really early and I think the question I meant to ask was were you protecting him or role-blocking him, because I think there was some discussion early in teh game about Jailer also working as a protective role.

blocking obviously

Well now that I've had coffee, yes it is obvious. But there have still been kills both nights so why are you still so suspicious of Verb?

John E. Kelley · October 18, 2012

JLM's over-the-top defense of Verb is noted....

JenLenaMom · October 18, 2012

Over the top? How is why are you still suspicious of Verb over the top? Seriously I'm always suspicious of him so I'd like to know if it's just me reacting to that or if other people see it too.

John E. Kelley · October 18, 2012

The better question is why aren't you suspicious of him?

Darthe · October 18, 2012

I would love something more fleshed out than "you should vote verb because...stuff."

And yes I know, pot meet kettle. I plan to get on the BG case tonight.

John E. Kelley · October 18, 2012

Glad you know it then, now I don't have to say it. :wink:

Gabriel Kross · October 18, 2012

I would love something more fleshed out than "you should vote verb because...stuff."

And yes I know, pot meet kettle. I plan to get on the BG case tonight.

Except you are scum yourself, if not you would have vocalised something important come day.

Gabriel Kross · October 18, 2012

Speaking of which before I mentioned I had jailed Verb both nights, He never once complained about being blocked, do to evidence of flips and effects, I am of the belief all players are rolled. So him being blocked 2 nights in a row and not saying anything raises suspicion.

bgrishinko · October 18, 2012

Okay, so re-reading Red's case on JLM and Mish, its a fair enough assesment honestly. She is mainly just quoting them and stating facts. So that's a plus for Red in my book, however, while reading this I realized what it is that has been bothering me about her. Most of the case is based on the fact they agreed with Red 1.0 and wanted to lynch NS, which seems odd.

The gradual progression from being all out and out NS to not even attempting to persue it the next day has already been brought up, but she fence sits on it like mad while slowly trying to draw away from it. Also, she has conflicting stories and tries to assert she began distancing from NS's lynch on N1, when that clearly didn't happen till the middle of Day 2, while at the same time saying it was her own lynch that caused her to distance. These are two conflicting reasons.

Nothing she said N1 indicates she is distancing from the lynch. Go back and check for yourself, I'm going to pick this up Day 2 though.

also, guys we need competing trains.

i'd personally love one on either Rand, BG, JLM, Ishy or Darthe atm. i'd be more than happy to move my vote to one of them seeing as 2 others are voting for Night currently.

gah, ninjad.

Strike is getting good pressure.

UNVOTE

VOTE: RAND

cheerleading, role fishing and other thigns previousy stated

Convenient way of subtly distancing yourself from Night's lynch in your new life?

no, i stated i wanted competing trains during N1. his train is building nicely and he's getting good presure. i've said my piece on him and want more info on a few other scumtastic players. Rand is first on my list.

i'll happily move my vote back to Night, but no since rushing the day.

why so agaisnt more info bro??

I called her out on why the champion against NS isn't voting NS, she says she'd "happily" move her vote back. That means that at this point, she is apparently still apparently solid on the NS lynch. There is no hint that she doubts NS because of her own lynch.

I'm fine with pressure elsewhere too, more info is always good, I just thought it odd that the bulldog released her grip before her prey was subdued is all.

dude, i may be a bulldog, but even i dont like beating a dead horse. he pretty put himself in the noose with his flailing and scumtastic talk last night.

infact, didn't he say that if anyone on his list was town that he hoped we'd lose?? guess what, one on his list flipped town

Still stoking the NS lynch while at the same time staying off of it. It is still apparent that she is all good for NS being lynched. No sign of doubt.

guys theres no need for us to be moving this fast. we gain info from Nights lynch yes, but theres plenty of time and it would be better to pressure another person and get more info. about all the info that can be gained from Night at this point can be gained.

i'm not saying Night shouldn't be lynched, i agree with my previous pressure on him and my thoughts haven't changed abotu him. but i dislike basiclaly wasting this day by only focusing on him. this lynch feels scum driven tbh, in more ways than one.

Tries more forcibly to move the lynch into lower gear for some reason, but she says her thoughts HAVE NOT CHANGED about him. This is now well into Day 2.

I didn't know he was 3:rd party, and there's no way the resoning was because I was town and therefore didn't know. Therefore it must be because I was scum. Good reasoning there.

its the cautiouness that pings Strike. i'm not the only one that has pointed this out so its obviously not fabricated as you like to claim. you left yourself an out if he flipped town, hence - scummy vote.

-"maybe not always good for town either" for scum and town alike. Therefore I'm scum.

since when is a mod confirmed townie not good for the town? explain that one to me. you were trying to cast doubt and suspicion on Nol, hence - scummy. and yeah, tryign to get peopel not to trust a mod confrimed town is scummy dude.

-I'm not a newbie, and therefore I'm scum.

if youre not a newb, then why so many referances to "but i dunno, i'm new" in response to Nol being confirmed town. even others pointed out you riding that Newbie card hard dude.

-I'm the worst spammer in the thread, and noone accused me for faulty reasons, so I had no reason to point out what's real or not. Therefore I'm scum.

over defensive reaction and twisting what i say into something its not, and playacting the victim. nice try. i said majority of your posts up until 1/2 way through Day 1 were in response to spam, they were.

-I initially didn't want to vote Basel, and the post I voted him in didn't explain my reasoning in any way that could mean I'm town (see quote above). Therefore I'm scum.

no you fence sat on you vote, allowing you to hopefully vindicate yourself if he flipped town. classic scum move dude.

-Although I didn't fence sit on bg's alignment (I said I thought he was town - and obviously I don't know for sure that he is). Me not wanting to vote him from the start (I wanted to lynch songstress), and there's no way that me

saying what I said in the first quote could be anything other than scummish.

this, i've already explained. you were wishy washy on BG, "willing to vote him, but meh i dont think he's scum."

-Yeah, sure, I totally did that. I don't feel like digging up those but sure I must be guilty. Hence scum.

dude, you stated voting incatives wasn't a good thing, but then turned around and asked for reasons to vote them. that is a contradiction in agenda. either you dont want to vote inactives, or you do. pick a side and get of the fence for once.

responses in blue

Despo and Red seemed to disagree who to go after a couple of pages back. Maybe indicative of that they're not on the same team, at least if one of them isn't town. If both are town, then I suppose it means absolutely nothing. Nolder has argued for not pursuing the issues with EP that has taken so much time and effort, so I think I should consider him a likely townie. Those that have spent a lot of space on those issues could be on the scum team, as someone else pointed out. Nolder, perhaps?

Him=Kublai Khan. Townie=scum. EP=Nolder. Nolder=EP. I therefore linked EP and Nolder, so that I pointed out that both must be scum, and therefore only 3 of those 2 could be scum. Therefore I'm scum. I confess.

wtf is Kublai Khan and wtf does it have to do with the price of tea in china..

dude, Nolder does not = EP. they're two seperate players, with two seperate roles. and its rather obvious that their not on a Mason team via Nol and Eps own words. so there you go, once again linking the two and proving my point for me.

to the underlined. i'm sorry, is this sarcasim or did you relaly just say that you were tryign to point out that a mod confirmed Townie is scum o.0

Still stoking the NS train showing how scummy he appears, yet she still doesn't want to vote him.

with Strike, i'm less sure about than i was over the night, mainly because of the NK on Red 1.0 i'm still good with his lynch, but the NK coupled with how JLM and Ishy pounced on him come Day break just screams set up. his lynch is great info as far as i'm concerned, and that alone is enough to lynch him over. the NK is major WIFOM, it gives me pause, but not enough to back off wanting to lynch him. hence my continued push for duel trains and dislike of his fast track lynch.

Okay, here's where Red finally basically pulls out of the Strike train having some sort of gut feeling at this time her own NK was a setup.... but she still allows others the courtesy of continuing to vote him when just 2 hours before she was still responding to him and pointing out his scummy moves. This is the turning point, well into Day 2. Pay attention to the timestamps. If she just realized it at this time, then fine. That makes sense. We will go with that assumption for Red's benefit. However, this is what gives her ammo to attack others on NS's train.

not distancing, pointing out the obvious BG. are you saying that you dont see the two WIFOM scenarios for the NK on Red 1.o?

you know, speaking of which, i'd like you BG to start being more active. you've not said much on the Strike lynch, other than repeating that i'm distancing to try and implicate me (whcih is a scummy move)

please, lets here your thoughts on everything and join in on the convo. the waters warm, and we all know you don't need your floaties

I called her on it again. She says she is pointing out the obvious... if it was that obvious, why didn't it occur to you earlier in the day before you pushed the Nightstike agenda from behind without actually voting?

my main point on Strike N1 was applying a bit of pressure. when he started flailing about is when i backed off. my main pressure was about his votes and his previous posting.

his flailing honestly could go either way imo and at that point i was more interested in who jumped on the "pressure Strike" wagon and who defended him. Despo is the only one who came to his defense, which i remarked on.

Mish, JLM, and peace to a lesser extent are the others that stood out to me over the night. all, excluding peace, i remarked on. peace has been pinging me. he's been giving me that back seat manipulator feeling all game, same as Darthe.

in post edit - i'm down for some Ed pressure. he's been way to buddy buddy with me all game. first in my corner against Ep all the way, then with Strike to a lesser extent. i think he keeps riding the Ep train so hard cause Red 1.0 flipped town and he thinks he can use that to justify his actions. the whole "see a townie thought he was scum as well"

Now she's implying that N1 she started backing off. This is false. She did not back off until Day 2 started and even was still "supportive" of his lynch up until her last post.

and yes, i'm fence sitting on Strikes alignement now. i'm unsure how he'll flip at thsi point becuase of the NK on Red 1.0. he pinged for play style, comments, his vote and his wishy washyness on votes. these are good scum pings. but his flailing could be either way and the play style ping i'm taking with a grain of salt given EPs play style pinged hardcore and i'm obviously wrong about him. as i said i'm not unsure about him but not enought to not want to lynch him given the info he'll give.

Admits to fence sitting here when called out on it. That's a fair thing to do. She admits her scummy looking maneuver. It happens sometimes. Nothing wrong with that.

this makes Strikes lynch even more info gathering. but if peace can be believed then likely my gut reaction about my NK was right and Ishy, JLM or Mish are scum

But still reiterates that Strike's lynch is good for info gathering as to not destroy the train completely.

@ BG - because thats exactly what i did. i made no bones abotu it and owned up to it rather point blank. as i said, the NK on Red 1.0 gave me pause about Strikes alignment. you'll bnotice though, i started to back off of Strike once others started to chime in on him N1 though.

What exactly did I gain from you flipping Town Red? Cuz I ain't seeing it.

an easy lynch and framing up Strike rather nicely. becuase by Red 1.0 flippign town, it put wieght to the case i had against him and incriminated him. hence me saying the NK felt like a frame job.

you, JLM and Mish were hardest against Strike over the night aside from myself; whcih is why i say you three had the most to gain from a NK on Red 1.0

You know what I realize that anything I say to defend myself (yes even this) you're going to take and turn back against me.

Case me for everyone to see.

You haven't done that. Just said what you believe I've done. What have I said on thread to tie me Mish or Ishy and what makes you think I have anything to gain. what have I said on thread to make you think I have anything to gain. I don't want you out of the game you're very good at it.

oh i'm pulling a case against you don't worry abtou that. i just have to wait until later tonight to do it when i'm not at work. i've only got 2 hours left and haven't gotten a thing done.

this will likely be my last post until later this evening tbh.

Here it is again. Apprently she started backing off on N1? When? where? I didn't re-read all of N1 cause its uber-long, just the end, cause that's where Red claims she started changing her tune. But when did this happen? One of her last posts was a huge multi-quote wall of everything scummy NS had said. True, she started casing other people at the end of the night, but I don't see that as backing off.

If you said something during N1 that shows you were backing off of NS, then mud on my face I'm wrong. I didn't see it. Until then, it sounds like an excuse to tie yourself to Red 1.0's thought process and claim it was the same.

In conclusion, I think you knew Nightstrike was going to flip town at the beginning of Day 2. I think you wanted to gradually move away from it in a way that seemed natural so you keep stoking the fire here and there while at the same time backing away. This way you wouldn't be on the town lynch at the end of the day, and you could use it against those who also were for the NS lynch... which coincidentally, you have done.

Darthe · October 18, 2012

I would love something more fleshed out than "you should vote verb because...stuff."

And yes I know, pot meet kettle. I plan to get on the BG case tonight.

I would love something more fleshed out than "you should vote verb because...stuff."

And yes I know, pot meet kettle. I plan to get on the BG case tonight.

Except you are scum yourself, if not you would have vocalised something important come day.

First: you double quoted.

Second: you would literally be more valuable to the town if you voted and didn't speak otherwise

Third: this, once more, makes absolutely no sense. I don't know, use more nouns or something? It's not even that what you're trying to say makes no sense, it's more like you forgot to add certain words or English is a third language or something?

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