[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[Red2111]

oh wow. yes you've never seen a person have two roles, therefor it must not be a possability. /sarcasim

 

just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it hasn't been done nor that mods in the future will do it. so you not seeing it done has no baring on the situation tbh and honestly, there are a handful of us playing in this game alone that will tell you that a person with two roles is not unheard of or that uncommon.

 

"innocent child" is a passive role. so yeah its very likely he could have more than one role. again, i'm not going to role fish for it. not to mention the possability of the Mods tweaking the role. a fair amount of mafia mods, to include myself, are known for using the wiki as a guidline for roles and tweaking them to suit our needs. as i said, its an advanced game and both of our mod goddesses are rather evil.

 

 

also, what do you mean by "he may have been tricked". he's claiming that the mods confirmed to him that Johna dn Ep are town. are you saying that the Mods lied to him or another role affected his results. either of these implies that his role is more than "tree stump" or that he has a 2nd role on top of Innocent Child. so you controdict yourself. either you think he has a 2nd role or you dont.

 

and lol @ your bulldog comment. only people with something to hide are scared of me or want me gone. so here is motive for you to NK me, aside from being able to use it to nudge along Strikes lynch rather nicely.

 

and also, conrtodiction #2. if you trust Nolder, then why not trust him when he says Ep and John are mod confirmed to him? you either trust Nol and him saying Ep and John are town or you don't trust Nol. its a very easy thing to chose. Nol saying their mod confirmed should be good enough for a townie.

[Red2111]

stupid PC submitted my post before i was done

 

 

re-mason you said "I now think you are a mason with Strike. It would explain your swift turn around." mind you, this is after you 180 on gettign a townie feeling on Strike over N1 to wanting to lynch him after Red 1.0 was NKd. now your trying to capitalize on my backing off the Strike train before Peaces reveal and pressuring those who were casing him N1 by linking me and him together.

 

the slip up comes from the likely hood that you meant to accuse me and him of being on a QT together and you instead wrote Mason; which is entirely different from the seeds your trying to plant. your linking me and Strike together first off, which i dislike and your subtley trying to push the "Red backing off is scummy angle" in the same post. you just slipped up by typing Mason.

 

 

re-Mish. if your gonna get aggrevated cause someone doesn't take your advice in this game, then your gonna spend most of your mafia career aggrevated hun. also, your pushes last night didn't read like that; emotional at the end, yes, but you were pushing him well before that.

[dicetosser1]

actually i backed off strike because it seemed obvious strike is town. I voted strike, as i said, because of his /her crazy posting.

 

I MEANT to write MASON and DID write mason as logically it made sense with the way you changed your tune after you came back. That simple

 

I explained how he could be lied to. I know there are roles that can send messages. thats just one way as you say I havent seen everything yet. Even if he was a mason with them, which would be a simple explanation I have seen a game where a mason was scum without their partner knowing it.

[Gabriel Kross]

actually i backed off strike because it seemed obvious strike is town. I voted strike, as i said, because of his /her crazy posting.

 

I MEANT to write MASON and DID write mason as logically it made sense with the way you changed your tune after you came back. That simple

 

I explained how he could be lied to. I know there are roles that can send messages. thats just one way as you say I havent seen everything yet. Even if he was a mason with them, which would be a simple explanation I have seen a game where a mason was scum without their partner knowing it.

 

That was a recruitment game.

[Gabriel Kross]

Oh, one more thing, it wouldn't necessarily be multiple roles, as much as abilities. The Avengers game almost everyone had multiple abilities. Also, the JoaT is by definition a role built up of several roles.

[dicetosser1]

joat??

[dicetosser1]

never mind i found out

[michellem]

re-Mish. if your gonna get aggrevated cause someone doesn't take your advice in this game, then your gonna spend most of your mafia career aggrevated hun. also, your pushes last night didn't read like that; emotional at the end, yes, but you were pushing him well before that.

 

I know, like I said, I'm still working on tuning out the emotions. It's not something I'm used to do so it takes a lot of concentration :P

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

 

Rand (3) - Razen, Songs, Kaylee

BG (2) - Darthe, peace

Nightstrike (1) - John Snow

Verbal (1) - EP

Razen (1) - Despo

Eddie (1) - Nolder

JLM (1) - Red

Despo (1) - Eddie

Red (1) - BG

 

Not voting (10) Verbal, Rand, Nightstrike, WoT, Cyan, Misheru, Basel, JLM, Ishy, Dice

 

 

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

 

 

DEADLINE: http://timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=155&iso=20121016T16 (approximately 46 hours from now)

[Basel Gill]

Okay, I have been thinking about this all weekend. Originally I was suspicious of Red 2.0 for her 180 regarding NS after coming back into the game, and thought it meant that she was possibly scummates with him. Then Peace claimed that NS is town. Since Peace hasn't been CCed yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is telling the truth. So if NS is town, then that means that Red wasn't covering for a teammate. Logically, this then gives me a town read on Red. (This is presuming Peace's info on NS is accurate, but NS currently strikes me as a townie who just doesn't know (or care, for that matter) how to play effectively.) So I began looking at the people who have been going after Red.

 

ok so ive seen it said time and again mostly by Ed yet people seem to not get it.

 

EP is confirmed by NOLDER!! not the mod! HE is not the mod therefore he cannot MOD CONFIRM anyone

 

 

Nolder has not made an uncontested cop or LD claim so how am i supposed to know or believe that EP and damn cant think of who else it was Nol said was town is a CONFIRMED townie? From what i read about innocent child it does not have the sort of power to find alignments. It is very possible for people to have a role where they can send messages to other players...it was used in Ithi's Sith game. This is an advanced game anything could be in it! I dont trust EP. Partly a meta dont trust (he drives me crazy wading thru his schemes) and partly that he is NOT mod confirmed so i have no reason to trust him.

 

 

as for mentioning you after your death? I simply responded to Despo's question with my thoughts. That is what i was thinking about you before you were killed. I now think you are a mason with Strike. It would explain your swift turn around.

 

I was suspicious of EP for a while too, but Nol has since said that EP and Snow are mod-confirmed to him as town. Are you really saying a mod-confirmed townie is lying to us? If Nol says the mods gave him this information, then I see no reason not to believe him.

 

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you do realize that Nol is claiming they are MOD CONFRIMED. so unless you have reason to doubt Nol then i dont get your aim. same beef i have with Ed on this.

 

you responding to Despo questions about me after my death is still fishy/. "want her gone so she doesn't bulldog me", "agree with Red about Ep" then continue to try and keep EP the centeral issue.

 

i dislike it greatly and the entire post stunk to high heaven.

 

 

if you were just responding to Despo and Red 1.0, considering what you posted, you should have done so before your team submitted the NK.

 

 

and btw, if i'm on a Mason team with Strike, which i'm not, that implies we're both town. nice slip up there.

 

 

what slip? have i said strike is scum since Peace suddenly got the word? Did i accuse you of being scum?? did i say mason was scum? No i did none of these things.

 

and the difference between the Peace situation and Nolder is the way it was done with the thread stopping and everything made it very obviously mod confirmed. So unless you are suggesting Nolder has TWO roles (which ive never seen) and which are not claimed then i have no reason to say it is mod confirmed. As i said he may have been tricked. If he had come out and said im a mason then id assume that those 2 are his partners. Without this info the only thing i believe is that NOLDER is town. I have no idea how the others were apparently "mod confirmed" so i wont trust it.

 

and btw NOONE (except maybe ishy or mynd) wants the bulldog to go them. Next time in deference to you perhaps i should edit my honest thoughts when asked a question

actually i backed off strike because it seemed obvious strike is town. I voted strike, as i said, because of his /her crazy posting.

 

I MEANT to write MASON and DID write mason as logically it made sense with the way you changed your tune after you came back. That simple

 

I explained how he could be lied to. I know there are roles that can send messages. thats just one way as you say I havent seen everything yet. Even if he was a mason with them, which would be a simple explanation I have seen a game where a mason was scum without their partner knowing it.

 

Blue: Backpedaling? I think Dice here has been called out on his mistake and is frantically trying to cover for it.

 

Green: So your criteria for whether something is possible in mafia is whether or not you've seen it before? That no only assumes Kae and Key are incapable of coming up with anything original, but it also means that none of the games on DM are going to contain anything original or creative, regardless of who is modding them.

 

Purple: He hasn't said how they are mod confirmed, and while I would like him to do so, he has still vetted them as town. If he received a message from another player, he is an experienced enough player to take this message with a grain of salt. Instead he claimed it was 100% that they are town. My best guess is that he was told at the start that these two players were mod-confirmed town, straight from the mods. Nol hasn't explained how he knows, but he is a confirmed townie, who would not lie to us, and he says they are mod-confirmed townies. Good enough for me. Your posts here ping heavily. Vote Dice.

[dicetosser1]

i meant to write mason and i did simple. no backpedaling there.

 

i am concerned that nol may have been tricked. i dont trust EP hell i NEVER trust EP.

 

I didnt think one person would have multiple abilities thats all.

[Nightstrike]

Nolder seems pretty convinced EP is town. Didn't he use "I know" or something like that?

[Verbal32]

Not defending dice here, but why aren't people understanding what he said?

 

Red was after Strike like crazy before as Red 1.0: ok

 

Red was not after Strike like crazy now as Red 2.0: this is where Dice suggests perhaps being Masons with Strike now

 

 

He is not saying Red was scum or is scum - that would be a contradiction. He is simply saying that she, if she was a Mason with him now, would now his alignment and stop going after him.

 

FOS the people ignoring the obviousness of Dice's statements.

[Verbal32]

"know" his alignment

[RandA lThor]

She would also know his alignment if she was mafia instead. Then she might back off knowing that there were enough people on the train.

[Verbal32]

True, but that was not what Dice was saying, so to case him on that is incorrect.

[Gabriel Kross]

Not defending dice here, but why aren't people understanding what he said?

 

Red was after Strike like crazy before as Red 1.0: ok

 

Red was not after Strike like crazy now as Red 2.0: this is where Dice suggests perhaps being Masons with Strike now

 

 

He is not saying Red was scum or is scum - that would be a contradiction. He is simply saying that she, if she was a Mason with him now, would now his alignment and stop going after him.

 

FOS the people ignoring the obviousness of Dice's statements.

 

I understood it, and was watching what people were saying, I only commented about his doubt of Nolder's info.

[bgrishinko]

Not defending dice here, but why aren't people understanding what he said?

 

Red was after Strike like crazy before as Red 1.0: ok

 

Red was not after Strike like crazy now as Red 2.0: this is where Dice suggests perhaps being Masons with Strike now

 

 

He is not saying Red was scum or is scum - that would be a contradiction. He is simply saying that she, if she was a Mason with him now, would now his alignment and stop going after him.

 

FOS the people ignoring the obviousness of Dice's statements.

 

I understood it, and was watching what people were saying, I only commented about his doubt of Nolder's info.

 

It has been an interesting observation.

[Gabriel Kross]

Not defending dice here, but why aren't people understanding what he said?

 

Red was after Strike like crazy before as Red 1.0: ok

 

Red was not after Strike like crazy now as Red 2.0: this is where Dice suggests perhaps being Masons with Strike now

 

 

He is not saying Red was scum or is scum - that would be a contradiction. He is simply saying that she, if she was a Mason with him now, would now his alignment and stop going after him.

 

FOS the people ignoring the obviousness of Dice's statements.

 

I understood it, and was watching what people were saying, I only commented about his doubt of Nolder's info.

 

It has been an interesting observation.

 

Not really the only 2 really trying to paint him as scum for that are Basel and Red, and I doubt BOTH are scum. One possible but both highly unlikely. Do we have a replacement for Wot13 yet?

[bgrishinko]

I don't think Basel Gill is scum, but Red is already at the top of my list so I'm already reading her arguments with stink eye right now. Dice's reaction was quite... adamant... had the ring of truth to it, though it doesn't say one way or another about his alignment to me like Verb mentioned. It's been a bit dry over the weekend, cause, well, weekend. It should pickup a bit now though and there are some others I want to hear from.

[Gabriel Kross]

Is one of them named BG?

[bgrishinko]

i c wat you did thar

[Gabriel Kross]

If you c whut I did thar, why you not supply with the thoughts?

[bgrishinko]

*in post edit for EP - Cause I'm I'm looking back at what's happened during Day 2 to better organize my thoughts first.

 

 

The people I want to hear from are Despo, John Snow, and Tress mainly. Tress said she'd be around this weekend but hasn't said anything since. She's also a very good townie when town. She's got excellent scum hunting skills, but I haven't seen much of it recently.

 

Despo seems to have gone missing since Thurs. Maybe it was the weekend, but he hasn't weighed in on the Nightstrike/Peace thing yet.

 

John Snow on the other hand HAS posted, but hasn't unvoted NS which I find odd considering John's claimed character. Nolder says he is town, which I'll agree with, but I want to hear his reasoning for not unvoting if he has one.

 

I've had to re-think who I think is scummy a bit for various reasons which is fine since I'm all for people we can assume are town. From my count we have about 6 people who are as good as confirmed town in my book unless we get additional info about them. That's more than 1/4 of the remaining players. That bodes very well, but it shows my scumdar was messed up so, except for Red, I'm kinda leaning on what other's have said so far concerning Rand and Ed (since their names seem to be coming up most) until I get a chance to go back and read them over for myself.

[Sakaea]

Official Vote Count:

 

Rand (3) - Razen, Songs, Kaylee

BG (2) - Darthe, peace

Nightstrike (1) - John Snow

Verbal (1) - EP

Razen (1) - Despo

Eddie (1) - Nolder

JLM (1) - Red

Despo (1) - Eddie

Red (1) - BG

Dice (1) Basel

 

Not voting (9) Verbal, Rand, Nightstrike, WoT, Cyan, Misheru, JLM, Ishy, Dice

 

 

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

 

 

DEADLINE: http://timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=155&iso=20121016T16

 

 

We still need a replacement for WoT.