[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[hazelkrs1]

I figured since I had some time and I never responded to some of Nol's last post to me, I might as well kill some time with that now

 

Quick response to stuff: I still think Nol is somewhat obviously setting up a frame job on me. Turin never really came out and said he thought I was scummy

Despo, in smash bros the reason EP died was Lily used the absorb power that night. When it was used, the person using it was unaffected, which you knew as your mirror ability was very similar. That is the only game I have ever played it was used so I asked. Nolder seems to say it can go either way as a mod call.

 

As to you, I can see you easily as mafia this game. You know that I read you better than most. You have most calling you town. My presence could cause you difficulties. Hence... Maybe you take a chance thinking you can get the claimed cop lynched.

 

Your day one push of setup talk was distracting from the goal of looking for mafia. On day one there is no basis for said discussion so to keep bringing it up is not helping. To throw the possibility of forsaken and to claim they are worse than mafia is also anti town IMO. It is a classic mafia technique to shine the light on anything that lessens the pressure on your team. It works too (I.e. game of thrones). Or not (chrissy in spider). Add some Despo mafia comments and I can definitely see you as a Mafioso.

 

Peace? You never met a bus you didn't like. If you are going for town cred, drive the bus.

I'll just leave this here

 

Meh, I guess. I look at his comments as mainly just considering the possibility that I could be mafia, which he should do with anyone, but as I said before Turin does have a tendency to come out fos'ing me from the get go in games.

 

Something else I've been considering is why Nol keeps doubting the existence of the Forsaken. I really don't think I was jumping to an insane jump in logic when I made the assumption that they would play a role in this game; two Forsaken play a major role in The Great Hunt, and the OP pretty much bludgeons us over the head with a heavy handed hint that they would be in this game.

You didn't make the assumption

You've been treating it as a GIVEN all game

 

The unthinkable has happened. Fades and Trollocs attacked Lord Agelmar's keep in Fal Dara. Darkfriends walked the halls. Padan Fain escaped with the dagger from Shadar Logoth, and the Horn of Valere was stolen.

 

The Horn and the dagger must be retrieved. Without the dagger, Mat will die. And the Horn of Valere, in the hands of the Shadow, could be catastrophic.

 

Meanwhile, rumors are whispered everywhere of ships coming from the west, ships bearing the strange invaders. Some say they are the descendants of Artur Hawkwing come back.

 

Darkfriends are hidden everywhere. Among the Aes Sedai. Among the invaders. Among Lord Agelmar's solders and people. And, even worse, the Forsaken are breaking free of their prison...

 

 

The Hunt has begun.

 

...............................

 

To me, there's just no way the mod puts that little bolded bit in just for s's and g's. I have pretty much considered it a given that Forsaken are in this game, from the wording of this post, the canon which the game theme comes from, and the death scene from Night 1

 

Then the fact that we've seen deaths from Seanchan (captured damane), Fain (poison), and other deaths that really can't be accounted for by either of these two sources, makes it fairly obvious to me that YES, we have Forsaken in the game.

Yes because a sword through the chest is work of the Forsaken right?

 

Let's look at that quote again, because you sir are way off if you think the Forsaken's kill was a sword through the chest:

 

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

 

(Sorcha) Nynaeve al’Meara, Town Healer, has been killed.

 

Elsewhere, a party searching for the Horn waits near Falme as well. During the night, a small group of them ventured into the city in search of the Horn. But misfortune falls upon this group. In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

 

(Lenlo) Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, has been killed.

 

Day 2 begins. Your deadline is Tuesday, September 18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Tbh, I have no idea who died from the sword through the chest. Could have just been flavoring, could have been something we don't know about yet, could have been a mistake for all we know.

 

What I DO know, is that the "Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her" line, seems to STRONGLY indicate that the person died from use of the OP, possibly from a Dreamwalker (both Ishamael and Lanfear are both Dreamwalkers).

 

Dunno if you got this mixed up, or just REALLY want to throw everyone off the trail when it comes to Forsaken-hunting.

 

Okay, from other stuff I remember about his case on me... oh yeah Peace. He keeps trying to trump up instance he believes were distancing. Uhm, at the time I voted Peace on Day 2, he had NO VOTES. I CONTINUED pushing his case until he was lynched. There's bussing... and then there's just moronic mafia play. I'm not a moron. I'll bus my teammate in a heartbeat if I feel they're catching heat, but at the time of my vote he pretty much wasn't catching ANY heat whatsoever. End of story.

"No scum would ever" right?

Gimme a break Des I've heard this story before

 

I never said "no scum would ever". I said a mafioso could do that, but it would be stupid. Once again, there's bussing, and then there's just dumb mafia moves. Let's just say for a second my theory is correct, and we have competing mafia teams. You really think it would make sense to bus one of your teammates when they're catching NO heat, to reduce your number and also make yourself look like a possible threat to the other mafia team as well as faintly link yourself to a teammate? No, it wouldn't. I'm not saying no scum would ever do this, I'm sure some scum have done something similar possibly in a game format which might resemble this one, and I can guarantee you it produced fantastically awful results for them.

 

Another thing I remember is him calling me out for suggesting the no lynch option. This is also pretty scummy on his part, considering he knows my opinion on no lynches. I have absolutely no problem with them, when they're used in effective situations. I find day 1 to be one of the best times to use a no lynch, AFTER a few people have been pressured and info has been obtained. At the time, we had something like 3 claims, and I believed 2 of them pretty stoutly, and was hoping a cop could verify the last one. Seemed to me like the perfect opportunity for a no lynch to ensure we didn't accidentally lynch a town power role cause of last second bandwagoning. Incidentally, I then reviewed the case on GF, and tbh he seemed pretty spectacularly scummy to me at the time, and he has yet to really solidify his claim or towniness. Nol trying to use my vote on him after the fact, when he hadn't made the cop claim yet, just seems like another scummy move from him

Nice twist there trying to make it about meta

It has nothing to do with meta

No Lynching is just a waste of a town kill (which you only get so many of in a game) and it's a scummy move to suggest it unless there are special circumstances and in this case there were none

 

I'm not trying to make it about meta. My point is I support no lynches in certain situation regardless of my alignment. In fact, as mafia I would oppose them more often than not, since the mafia team's path to victory lies in getting town to lynch the wrong people, and if they aren't lynching you can't achieve this.

 

Just because we disagree on the no lynch thing doesn't make me mafia. I happen to think the best possible outcome for day 1 for town in a mafia game, besides say lynching the GF (big shoutout to BG's WoT book game!), is to pressure multiple people, get as much info as possible, then no lynch to keep from killing a townie. The info might not be as useful immediately, but as the player pool starts getting smaller and smaller all that info obtained day 1 becomes very useful.

[Nolder]

Something else I've been considering is why Nol keeps doubting the existence of the Forsaken. I really don't think I was jumping to an insane jump in logic when I made the assumption that they would play a role in this game; two Forsaken play a major role in The Great Hunt, and the OP pretty much bludgeons us over the head with a heavy handed hint that they would be in this game.

You didn't make the assumption

You've been treating it as a GIVEN all game

 

The unthinkable has happened. Fades and Trollocs attacked Lord Agelmar's keep in Fal Dara. Darkfriends walked the halls. Padan Fain escaped with the dagger from Shadar Logoth, and the Horn of Valere was stolen.

 

The Horn and the dagger must be retrieved. Without the dagger, Mat will die. And the Horn of Valere, in the hands of the Shadow, could be catastrophic.

 

Meanwhile, rumors are whispered everywhere of ships coming from the west, ships bearing the strange invaders. Some say they are the descendants of Artur Hawkwing come back.

 

Darkfriends are hidden everywhere. Among the Aes Sedai. Among the invaders. Among Lord Agelmar's solders and people. And, even worse, the Forsaken are breaking free of their prison...

 

 

The Hunt has begun.

 

...............................

 

To me, there's just no way the mod puts that little bolded bit in just for s's and g's. I have pretty much considered it a given that Forsaken are in this game, from the wording of this post, the canon which the game theme comes from, and the death scene from Night 1

Alanna has said multiple times not to look to her scenes for clues

Sometimes she does drop some but most of the time she's just storytelling

You are the only one that is sure the Forsaken are in the game and you've been sure from the beginning

You can't tell me that in a mafia game someone who KNOWS something doesn't stand out as suspicious

 

Then the fact that we've seen deaths from Seanchan (captured damane), Fain (poison), and other deaths that really can't be accounted for by either of these two sources, makes it fairly obvious to me that YES, we have Forsaken in the game.

Yes because a sword through the chest is work of the Forsaken right?

 

Let's look at that quote again, because you sir are way off if you think the Forsaken's kill was a sword through the chest:

 

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

 

(Sorcha) Nynaeve al’Meara, Town Healer, has been killed.

 

Elsewhere, a party searching for the Horn waits near Falme as well. During the night, a small group of them ventured into the city in search of the Horn. But misfortune falls upon this group. In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

 

(Lenlo) Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, has been killed.

 

Day 2 begins. Your deadline is Tuesday, September 18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Tbh, I have no idea who died from the sword through the chest. Could have just been flavoring, could have been something we don't know about yet, could have been a mistake for all we know.

 

What I DO know, is that the "Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her" line, seems to STRONGLY indicate that the person died from use of the OP, possibly from a Dreamwalker (both Ishamael and Lanfear are both Dreamwalkers).

 

Dunno if you got this mixed up, or just REALLY want to throw everyone off the trail when it comes to Forsaken-hunting.

Wow you really just tried that

YOU are the one who said

Then the fact that we've seen deaths from Seanchan (captured damane), Fain (poison), and other deaths that really can't be accounted for by either of these two sources, makes it fairly obvious to me that YES, we have Forsaken in the game.

A sword through the chest is not a kill by damane nor was it poison so how do you explain that unless there are FOUR killers in the game?

Because obviously the Forsaken don't kill with swords and you are sure the Forsaken have to be in the game right?

Could the Forsaken be in the game? Yeah maybe

But looking at the scenes and the deaths does not CONFIRM it for anyone except you

 

Okay, from other stuff I remember about his case on me... oh yeah Peace. He keeps trying to trump up instance he believes were distancing. Uhm, at the time I voted Peace on Day 2, he had NO VOTES. I CONTINUED pushing his case until he was lynched. There's bussing... and then there's just moronic mafia play. I'm not a moron. I'll bus my teammate in a heartbeat if I feel they're catching heat, but at the time of my vote he pretty much wasn't catching ANY heat whatsoever. End of story.

"No scum would ever" right?

Gimme a break Des I've heard this story before

 

I never said "no scum would ever". I said a mafioso could do that, but it would be stupid. Once again, there's bussing, and then there's just dumb mafia moves. Let's just say for a second my theory is correct, and we have competing mafia teams. You really think it would make sense to bus one of your teammates when they're catching NO heat, to reduce your number and also make yourself look like a possible threat to the other mafia team as well as faintly link yourself to a teammate? No, it wouldn't. I'm not saying no scum would ever do this, I'm sure some scum have done something similar possibly in a game format which might resemble this one, and I can guarantee you it produced fantastically awful results for them.

Same song and dance

You are trying to convince everyone that you would not bus your teammate if you were scum

 

Another thing I remember is him calling me out for suggesting the no lynch option. This is also pretty scummy on his part, considering he knows my opinion on no lynches. I have absolutely no problem with them, when they're used in effective situations. I find day 1 to be one of the best times to use a no lynch, AFTER a few people have been pressured and info has been obtained. At the time, we had something like 3 claims, and I believed 2 of them pretty stoutly, and was hoping a cop could verify the last one. Seemed to me like the perfect opportunity for a no lynch to ensure we didn't accidentally lynch a town power role cause of last second bandwagoning. Incidentally, I then reviewed the case on GF, and tbh he seemed pretty spectacularly scummy to me at the time, and he has yet to really solidify his claim or towniness. Nol trying to use my vote on him after the fact, when he hadn't made the cop claim yet, just seems like another scummy move from him

Nice twist there trying to make it about meta

It has nothing to do with meta

No Lynching is just a waste of a town kill (which you only get so many of in a game) and it's a scummy move to suggest it unless there are special circumstances and in this case there were none

 

I'm not trying to make it about meta. My point is I support no lynches in certain situation regardless of my alignment. In fact, as mafia I would oppose them more often than not, since the mafia team's path to victory lies in getting town to lynch the wrong people, and if they aren't lynching you can't achieve this.

 

Just because we disagree on the no lynch thing doesn't make me mafia. I happen to think the best possible outcome for day 1 for town in a mafia game, besides say lynching the GF (big shoutout to BG's WoT book game!), is to pressure multiple people, get as much info as possible, then no lynch to keep from killing a townie. The info might not be as useful immediately, but as the player pool starts getting smaller and smaller all that info obtained day 1 becomes very useful.

Wow if I wasn't sure before I am now

Every single response in this post is just twisting what I said and directing attention to something completely different

We aren't debating the merits of a no lynch here I explained one of my reasons for voting you and you're twisting it

You are trying to make it seem like I shouldn't vote you just because of your position on no lynching and that if I did I must have a scummy motive for doing so when in fact I am almost always against no lynches and have always been suspicious of ANYONE who suggests or pushes them

[hazelkrs1]

lol you're funny Nol. Wish I had some of what you're chiefin on

 

I don't KNOW there are Forsaken in this game, and have never said that. BUT, it would greatly surprise me if it turned out they weren't in here. Too many friggin hints.

 

That whole sword in the chest business is all you man. The other deaths I was talking about was NOT the sword in the chest, as far as I can tell no actual player in the game was killed that way. Sorcha (Nyn) was killed N1 but there were no marks on her body. Lenlo (Mat) was killed by a captured damane. Snow (Rand), died D2 from Fain's poison. Player (Egwene), well we don't really know how he was killed.I would say we can rule out Fain since Turin (Bayle Domon) died from his poison D3, so the other possibilities seem to be that he could have been taken out either by a Forsaken, or perhaps by a bloodknife. Honestly, I think Alanna purposefully made that scene very ambiguous because she didn't want it to be obvious who the kill came from. Mebbe one of the mafia teams or Forsaken griped about it.

 

Those are all the kills we have had. I don't think ANY of them came about from a sword through the chest. We could find out what that was about later, we could not.

 

Either way, that's NOT what I was talking about when I said "other deaths".

 

Way to completely try twisting what I've been saying about that this whole time.

 

As for bussing teammates, I have said before and I'll say again, I have NO PROBLEM bussing a teammate if I feel it will give our team an advantage. But that would not have worked at all if I was Peace's teammate. If there are rival mafia teams, each team would be too small to make bussing a very good strategy, especially if your teammate wasn't catching heat. You're pushing a stupid angle.

 

As for the no lynch thing, I KNOW you've seen me argue for no lynch whenever I've been town. And in fact, in the Mandalorian mafia game on MJ YOU pushed the no lynch idea yourself, on honestly some weak reasoning, and I think embroiling that game in the no lynch discussion too early helped to kill it. So once again, drop that weak casing there. There is nothing scummy about proposing a no lynch in the right situation.

 

And finally, you say EVERY point I made in my post was trying to twist stuff around. First of all, you didn't even quote my entire post. I conceded that you were semiright about Turin fos'ing me. Second, you never say how I'm twisting stuff, you just say I am. I don't think I twisted one single thing, I presented the facts and evidence and my own opinions of the matter.

 

The fact is, I think you're either on Fain's team trying to push a frame job on me, which unfortunately for you no one bought, or a Forsaken trying to make everyone think that the Forsaken aren't in this game.

 

Why would I NOT want to point out every inconsistency and logical flaw in your posts?

 

[Nolder]

I don't KNOW there are Forsaken in this game, and have never said that. BUT, it would greatly surprise me if it turned out they weren't in here. Too many friggin hints.

You've been acting as if it's a given since Day 1, literally

If you aren't scum then this was just a huge mistake on your part

Next time watch your words and use phrases like "assuming this is correct" and such

That way we know you are confident but not absolutely sure of your conclusions

 

That whole sword in the chest business is all you man. The other deaths I was talking about was NOT the sword in the chest, as far as I can tell no actual player in the game was killed that way. Sorcha (Nyn) was killed N1 but there were no marks on her body. Lenlo (Mat) was killed by a captured damane. Snow (Rand), died D2 from Fain's poison. Player (Egwene), well we don't really know how he was killed.I would say we can rule out Fain since Turin (Bayle Domon) died from his poison D3, so the other possibilities seem to be that he could have been taken out either by a Forsaken, or perhaps by a bloodknife. Honestly, I think Alanna purposefully made that scene very ambiguous because she didn't want it to be obvious who the kill came from. Mebbe one of the mafia teams or Forsaken griped about it.

I'm done discussing this

I cited a clear death that could not be attributed to Damane, Forsaken, OR Fain and you are still going on about how the Forsaken have to be in the game which would mean there are four killing parties in this game

Makes no sense at all

 

As for bussing teammates, I have said before and I'll say again, I have NO PROBLEM bussing a teammate if I feel it will give our team an advantage. But that would not have worked at all if I was Peace's teammate. If there are rival mafia teams, each team would be too small to make bussing a very good strategy, especially if your teammate wasn't catching heat. You're pushing a stupid angle.

And if there aren't rival mafia teams?

 

As for the no lynch thing, I KNOW you've seen me argue for no lynch whenever I've been town. And in fact, in the Mandalorian mafia game on MJ YOU pushed the no lynch idea yourself, on honestly some weak reasoning, and I think embroiling that game in the no lynch discussion too early helped to kill it. So once again, drop that weak casing there. There is nothing scummy about proposing a no lynch in the right situation.

First of all that game had SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES

I already stated I'm not against No Lynching in such situations

In that game specifically I explained my reasoning many many MANY times and I'm not going to rehash it again to no purpose

If you thought my reasoning was so weak then why did you back me the entire game?

 

And finally, you say EVERY point I made in my post was trying to twist stuff around. First of all, you didn't even quote my entire post. I conceded that you were semiright about Turin fos'ing me. Second, you never say how I'm twisting stuff, you just say I am. I don't think I twisted one single thing, I presented the facts and evidence and my own opinions of the matter.

I only quote things I respond to

If you think I missed something and you want it addressed quote it at me and say so otherwise I am going to respond to what I want to respond to

And I have clearly pointed out each time you've twisted what I've said

I guess you think if you say it's not there enough times people will overlook it or something

[bgrishinko]

I'm back folks. Sorry for my abscence. Anyone want to give me a general fill-in on what has happened since.... Day 2? That way I have an idea of what to read for when I go back and catch up?

[Nolder]

It's a mess BG

Honestly I think the best thing you can do is bite the bullet and reread sorry

[LedZepMan]

Please excuse that mass of indecipherable posts from last night

[Sakaea]

Man, when you drunk mafia, you DRUNK MAFIA

[bgrishinko]

Welp. Finished re-reading. LZM made more sense to me and I think he should be venge killed. I would have voted LZM yesterday.

 

I also think this Neighborizing thing REALLY needs to be investigated further. There has to be something there. I think, given the theme, the neighborizer is probably a suldam and the person who can be neighborized is probably a female channeler. As such, I think that we need to drill on on that situation and lynch em.

[Alanna]

End of Night is coming up. If you receive a response to a night, please do not post about it until I have officially begun Day.

[Alanna]

Somewhere just outside Falme, the remains of the party that left from Fal Dara - those who have not yet been slain - lie sleeping, waiting for word from the city. A lone figure stalks among them, unseen in the dark night. There is one who is powerful among these sleeping bodies, and the lone killer has decided they must die.

 

(BG) Verin, Town Roleblocker, has been killed.

 

Though many have already died in the pursuit, the search for the Horn continues on. Chaos is beginning to erupt in Falme, where the Horn surely must be. The remnants of a small search party are cornered just outside a large house in the city. A bloody fight ensues, and when it is done, a large figure lies dead in the street.

 

(Rand) Loial, Town Sidekick, has been killed.

 

Day 4 begins. Your deadline is Sunday, September 30 @ 2PM CST. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.



[Nolder]

Vote: Des

[Gabriel Kross]

I will be voting LZM he really hasn't gotten any less suspicious as the game progressed.

[JenLenaMom]

Someone know what Sidekick is?

[JenLenaMom]

Also I would like to hear actual game related thoughts not just noobie like reveals and hijinks from lolguy and nightstrike.

[Alanna]

lol

[Nolder]

Someone know what Sidekick is?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sidekick

[Sakaea]

The sidekick is a similar role to a bodyguard. Every night the sidekick chooses a target, but instead of protecting the target from kills, the decoy will redirect any other night action that is directed at their target to themselves.

[LedZepMan]

Ok.

 

Ep is scum.

 

you are right. You pushed hardest on the darthe lynch.

You knew he was town. And you knew that cuz you are scum.

 

vote EP

[JenLenaMom]

Ah. So likely Rand died protecting someone.

 

Aaaaannndd it looks like EP and Nol are ready to start the Despo vs LZM debate again today, lol.

[Gabriel Kross]

Lol you think I'd have openly corrected you on that if I was mafia? Nice failed attempt at an OMGUS though.

[JenLenaMom]

Also, there was speculation that when "Min" (sorry I forgot who claimed this character, since they haven't really shown up much since then.) viewed GF and saw books he might actually be Verin. Obviously that theory is out the window. Maybe Rand deflected onto himself that night too. Loial would certainly be surrounded by books.

 

Does anyone have any useful viewing information or is this all just supposition and meta?

[Nolder]

Maybe Rand deflected onto himself that night too. Loial would certainly be surrounded by books.

I think that is what happened

[Graendals favourite]

No useful info now, that I'd care to share anyway. I wonder what will happen now?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Despothera

 

Tired of the wifom maker.