There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Aiel Heart]

I was proposing that as an option (vig kill?). Not a very good one, but still a possibility. I'm trying to figure out how many mafias would realistically fit into this game. I know I've found her scummy so maybe a different townie did as well

[Darthe]

with 3 dead, two from the same group, we can be fairly certain that the groups are separate. With a total of 24 players, it is most probable that there are two mafia teams of four, or two of three and a mason group of two. If more individuals have power roles equivalent to mine then there could be as many as 10 scum, while if few have powers then there could be as few as 6 scum. The worry that they could have 10 (though highly doubtful) is scary enough to almost make me feel like the nolder lynch was a smart choice.

 

Also, if you look at the first post of the game you will see that numbers 18, 19, and 22 were all scum while 24 and 2 were town. Random computer generations are not truly random and so if I had to place a bet I would figure that there are no two beside each other again in all probability and that three are most likely not beside each other. AH, Tina, Key, Limi, and myself excluded (with key being the most standout of that group to me as of this reread) it makes our biggest target area numbers 3-11.

 

Now, this is simply a semi-crazy idea of mine, perhaps one that I will consider dumb later, but if we assume that there is a form of logic to computers and that we can place our own impressions of scummy behavior on this logic, then we can assume that people falling into the more vulnerable regions are better candidates for a lynching. This means that according to previous pings that players have discussed piano, bazel, arez, razen, and bg are liable to have two scum between them.

 

Btw, I want it to be noted upon this reread that italian mob does not use the word mafia specifically, though there is a well established italian mafia... Why is that?

[Lenlo]

...Is this going to end like Mynds math theory? Cause if so then we are all going to hate you but end up lynching/mod killing a scum. I like that outcome but im not so sure on this idea.

[Aiel Heart]

My eyelids are drooping as I read this and I followed that. Seems like a rather bogus idea to me. There are better ways to scum hunt, such as the old fashioned way of looking at people's words and actions.

 

Yay more looking at stats and numbers *passes out*

[Basel Gill]

Btw, I want it to be noted upon this reread that italian mob does not use the word mafia specifically, though there is a well established italian mafia... Why is that?

 

Are you referring to the RL Mafia? I think that this might be, at least partially, due to the fact that the "mafia" originated in Sicily, and organized crime groups in other parts of Italy (most prominently Naples) went by other names. It was the Sicilian group that best made a foothold in North America, so that was the name that stuck.

[Blackhoof]

with 3 dead, two from the same group, we can be fairly certain that the groups are separate. With a total of 24 players, it is most probable that there are two mafia teams of four, or two of three and a mason group of two. If more individuals have power roles equivalent to mine then there could be as many as 10 scum, while if few have powers then there could be as few as 6 scum. The worry that they could have 10 (though highly doubtful) is scary enough to almost make me feel like the nolder lynch was a smart choice.

 

Also, if you look at the first post of the game you will see that numbers 18, 19, and 22 were all scum while 24 and 2 were town. Random computer generations are not truly random and so if I had to place a bet I would figure that there are no two beside each other again in all probability and that three are most likely not beside each other. AH, Tina, Key, Limi, and myself excluded (with key being the most standout of that group to me as of this reread) it makes our biggest target area numbers 3-11.

 

Now, this is simply a semi-crazy idea of mine, perhaps one that I will consider dumb later, but if we assume that there is a form of logic to computers and that we can place our own impressions of scummy behavior on this logic, then we can assume that people falling into the more vulnerable regions are better candidates for a lynching. This means that according to previous pings that players have discussed piano, bazel, arez, razen, and bg are liable to have two scum between them.

 

no. just no.

 

Computers use algorithms with varying degrees of predictability (random.org claims to be truly random, but i doubt it) but the simplest of these algorithms are FAR more complex than you are assuming. your theory does not work. sorry.

[Niniel]

I was proposing that as an option (vig kill?). Not a very good one, but still a possibility. I'm trying to figure out how many mafias would realistically fit into this game. I know I've found her scummy so maybe a different townie did as well

 

Nolder was vig. Do you propose there is another one as well?

 

with 3 dead, two from the same group, we can be fairly certain that the groups are separate. With a total of 24 players, it is most probable that there are two mafia teams of four, or two of three and a mason group of two. If more individuals have power roles equivalent to mine then there could be as many as 10 scum, while if few have powers then there could be as few as 6 scum. The worry that they could have 10 (though highly doubtful) is scary enough to almost make me feel like the nolder lynch was a smart choice.

 

Also, if you look at the first post of the game you will see that numbers 18, 19, and 22 were all scum while 24 and 2 were town. Random computer generations are not truly random and so if I had to place a bet I would figure that there are no two beside each other again in all probability and that three are most likely not beside each other. AH, Tina, Key, Limi, and myself excluded (with key being the most standout of that group to me as of this reread) it makes our biggest target area numbers 3-11.

 

Now, this is simply a semi-crazy idea of mine, perhaps one that I will consider dumb later, but if we assume that there is a form of logic to computers and that we can place our own impressions of scummy behavior on this logic, then we can assume that people falling into the more vulnerable regions are better candidates for a lynching. This means that according to previous pings that players have discussed piano, bazel, arez, razen, and bg are liable to have two scum between them.

 

Btw, I want it to be noted upon this reread that italian mob does not use the word mafia specifically, though there is a well established italian mafia... Why is that?

 

Please, no. It´s random! It´s why it´s called random.com. I have put my faith in your cop claim, don´t make me disappointed.

 

Still thinking BG, Ishy, Razen and AH are suspicious. Can we have a vc?

[Arez Al'Loke]

Darthe.. You are really lucky that most of us believe you're a cop or atleast good for town. Because the last couple of things you've written ... Pings alot.

 

So I'm wanting the lynch on Limi more than ever now. You have officially lost my trust, and I'm going to need more proof of who you say you are before you regain it.

[Darthe]

where is the thought guys? I am not suggesting that we forego what we know, only that we add a potential extra consideration to it. every number crossed off, even if temporarily, helps the town. snd BH, i know about the algorithms as I have helped write one before. You seriously dislike math don't you?

[Darthe]

Darthe.. You are really lucky that most of us believe you're a cop or atleast good for town. Because the last couple of things you've written ... Pings alot.

 

So I'm wanting the lynch on Limi more than ever now. You have officially lost my trust, and I'm going to need more proof of who you say you are before you regain it.

 

of course scum wants me to out a town.

 

had to do it =p

[Darthe]

*lynch not out

[Darthe]

I was proposing that as an option (vig kill?). Not a very good one, but still a possibility. I'm trying to figure out how many mafias would realistically fit into this game. I know I've found her scummy so maybe a different townie did as well

 

Nolder was vig. Do you propose there is another one as well?

 

with 3 dead, two from the same group, we can be fairly certain that the groups are separate. With a total of 24 players, it is most probable that there are two mafia teams of four, or two of three and a mason group of two. If more individuals have power roles equivalent to mine then there could be as many as 10 scum, while if few have powers then there could be as few as 6 scum. The worry that they could have 10 (though highly doubtful) is scary enough to almost make me feel like the nolder lynch was a smart choice.

 

Also, if you look at the first post of the game you will see that numbers 18, 19, and 22 were all scum while 24 and 2 were town. Random computer generations are not truly random and so if I had to place a bet I would figure that there are no two beside each other again in all probability and that three are most likely not beside each other. AH, Tina, Key, Limi, and myself excluded (with key being the most standout of that group to me as of this reread) it makes our biggest target area numbers 3-11.

 

Now, this is simply a semi-crazy idea of mine, perhaps one that I will consider dumb later, but if we assume that there is a form of logic to computers and that we can place our own impressions of scummy behavior on this logic, then we can assume that people falling into the more vulnerable regions are better candidates for a lynching. This means that according to previous pings that players have discussed piano, bazel, arez, razen, and bg are liable to have two scum between them.

 

Btw, I want it to be noted upon this reread that italian mob does not use the word mafia specifically, though there is a well established italian mafia... Why is that?

 

Please, no. It´s random! It´s why it´s called random.com. I have put my faith in your cop claim, don´t make me disappointed.

 

Still thinking BG, Ishy, Razen and AH are suspicious. Can we have a vc?

 

I love that you disagree with me but then go after the same people (mostly).

[Arez Al'Loke]

There's to much going on around you Darthe.. If we don't solve this, we can't focus on anything else. There will always be to much sucpicion hanging around your every word.

 

I can't say I'm happy with lynching a possible townie, just to vet you. It's not how I usually play my game. But this lynch is VERY important.

[Darthe]

We will see. When the lynch does happen and I am vetted, who do you go for next? I want to know so that the town knows where your head is and so that everyone has a plan for tomorrow.

[Arez Al'Loke]

The first person who comes to mind is BG.. He's been playing very scummy, and the whole " I'll reveal if I'm incorrect " or w/e it was, scummy scummy play. I'm gonna go back a couple of pages and bring out some other scummy statements he's made.

[Aiel Heart]

I was proposing that as an option (vig kill?). Not a very good one, but still a possibility. I'm trying to figure out how many mafias would realistically fit into this game. I know I've found her scummy so maybe a different townie did as well

 

Nolder was vig. Do you propose there is another one as well?

 

You're right!!!! I had completely forgotten about that... *Sigh* call it scummy if you will but I think I'm just in too many games

[SBoydW]

Limi (7) - Kae, Basel, iron, Arez, Key, Hoof, Razen,

Darthe (2) - BG, Aiel Heart

Key (1) - Mynd

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[dapianoplay3r]

I thought I had already done this but it seems I forgot

 

Vote Limi

 

Like I said earlier she is the best bet to vet the most people and give us the most info

[Myndrunner]

The first person who comes to mind is BG.. He's been playing very scummy, and the whole " I'll reveal if I'm incorrect " or w/e it was, scummy scummy play. I'm gonna go back a couple of pages and bring out some other scummy statements he's made.

 

Why are we pushing a player to reveal who doesn't have a vote on him? How is that statement scummy? Quite the opposite if you ask me.

 

We have 4 days still and if you think about it, it would be foolish for Darthe to bluff Sheriff because it would be far too easy to prove him wrong. Same with Limi. Peace Wifom'd us about Limi, the player that Darthe claims he viewed town. Its the Mason claim standoff - its too easy to prove so let's not worry about it.

 

If Darthe is lying, then it is likely that there is a real finder/cop role out there who can disprove him one way or another.

 

If Darthe is telling the truth, then either Peacesells lied to us or there is a redirection power out there. This redirection power could have been used on the Watching/Tracking that Peacesells refers to from his team, or it could have been used when Darthe viewed Limi.

 

I think we need to set aside both the Darthe and Limi lynch. We can out them if either or both of them are lying at this point, but I'd rather focus on who has been shady prior to all of this. We have three mafia deaths that we can use for info.

[Myndrunner]

Let's go with the shady player who has 1) ignored everything said and just gone with the flow (or what he was told on the QT) and 2) has been on the tail end of nearly every lynch train since the beginning.

 

unvote

 

vote PianoPlayer

 

See this for evidence!

[Arez Al'Loke]

You seem very bent on ignoring the issue at hand.

 

There is no possible way that everyone could just set aside a thing like this. And I didn't suggest lynching Darthe, I have never done so. I think that anyone who fought for lynching Darthe are worth keeping an eye on.

 

But keeping Limi alive now will only serve to confuse us further.. Sure, if Darthe had viewed a scum, I would prefer lynching him/her instead. But I fail to see how changing tracks now would resolve the issue?

 

Could you clarify your evidence against Piano?

[Darthe]

Piano has been on my radar since near the beginning and has mostly fallen silent since people got off of his case. I can make a case tonight but ATM I am using my phone and it is a pain to do on here. Nonetheless, he is one of the best choices ATM.

[Arez Al'Loke]

... Fine.. I guess I'll have to do a bloody re-read again to see what's so scummy about him. I would have prefered it the lazy way and let Darthe make a case, but I can't wait.

[Myndrunner]

You seem very bent on ignoring the issue at hand.

Actually, I was one of the biggest pushers for Darthe and then Limi. 90% of my last post was all about them. I am not ignoring anything, I just no longer believe either lynch is the right move. Allow me to clarify...

 

There is no possible way that everyone could just set aside a thing like this. And I didn't suggest lynching Darthe, I have never done so. I think that anyone who fought for lynching Darthe are worth keeping an eye on.

 

But keeping Limi alive now will only serve to confuse us further.. Sure, if Darthe had viewed a scum, I would prefer lynching him/her instead. But I fail to see how changing tracks now would resolve the issue?

Think about it. Darthe's claim could only be true because it would have been foolish for him to fake claim any kind of finder role because 1) he would have easily been countered, 2) he would be foolish to bluff his viewing of Limi to include "vanilla" unless it was true, 3) Sheriff is such a specific role to claim it is likely true. Darthe could be completely full of bullshanks, but we risk losing much more than we gain by his lynch.

 

Think about it when three players claim to be masons. It only takes one of them to be lynched to prove the other two as telling the truth. Mafia don't want to kill any of them because it would validate the other two, nor do they want to lynch them for the same reason. It would be incredibly foolish for mafia to make such a claim because it only takes one death to prove them all lying liars who lie. Therefore, it behooves the town to not lynch any of them and assume they are town at least for the moment.

 

In regards to lynching Limi, we have to go with the theory that makes the least amount of assumptions. If we are to assume Darthe is telling the truth then we also need to assume that his viewing of Limi is correct. Its interesting that Limi is the one who brings up the whole theory that there is a redirection power, because that could go both ways. If Darthe viewed Limi as scum, then we likely would already have lynched her by now. Darthe could be lying, Limi could be scum, but it is likely that both Darthe and Limi are town.

 

Finally, consider the source of the counter argument. Peacesells, who flipped scum, WIFOM'd the hell out of us with his dying claim. I do believe there is some kind of tracker or watcher power on the mafia team, but Peace and his team risk nothing by pointing the finger at any player who is not on their own team. Therefore, LImi is either a member of the Italian Mob or she is town. I think the latter

 

Proper scum hunting is about going with the most likely scum, not the least likely scum. Darthe and Limi are more likely town than any of us.

 

Could you clarify your evidence against Piano?

 

He hasn't been playing as active as he normally is, yet he swoops in when summoned to vote near the end of every lynch train. He remained on the Darthe lynch until all of a sudden he jumped over to Limi without commenting on anything else. I believe that Pianoplayer is simply following the orders of his scum team.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Unvote

 

I guess that I shouldn't be blinded by what gets the most attention. This would be a lose/lose situation for the scum if either of them are mafia. They're not that stupid I hope, would take all fun out of the game.

 

Although, to me the reasons for lynching Piano are not any better than the reasons for lynching Limi. Do you think the scum wouldn't tell Piano that he needs to increase his post count if he was following orders?

 

To me he seems like a lazy arse townie, based on the information you told me so far.