[Advanced] teh lolz Apocalypse Mafia - Game Over - Congrads Mafia

[Razen]

Buddah cat! Noooooo!

 

so with Tina gone who was the other one people were suspicious of? BG? Hes the only one of the original 3 ((BG, Soy and Tina)) that people were tempted to lynch yesterday. Tina got night killed and Soy got lynched and was proven to be telling the truth. That leaves BG.

 

So to get the ball rolling for this day Vote BG

 

Hmm...why the disappointment at Buddha Kitty being killed? She was a symp. A symp that the mafia didn't know they had. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have killed her. Lucky for us they wasted that kill. I want to go back and see if Tina/Nolder dropped any hints related to that role and how people interacted with them. But your reaction here is quite interesting. Vote: Lenlo.

[Songstress]

I'd be interested in hearing if Lenlo has any reasoning for thinking BG is scum other than the fact that people wanted to lynch him on previous days. I've looked back through his posts and I see he's voted him before and indicated he was willing to vote him other times, but I'm not all that clear on why.

[Red2111]

Soy stumbled drunkenly down the alley when he spied a kitteh spying on a garden knom

 

 

 

so Soy waddled over to him an asked

 

 

 

the kitteh looked at him an said

 

 

Soy, in hiz drunken stated said

 

 

 

an den teh kitteh attacked Soy

 

 

an eated him.

 

 

Soy, Drunken Kitteh, 1 time unlynchable has been killed.

 

[Red2111]

Deadline

 

11 alive, 6 to lynch

 

Vote Count

 

BG (1): Len

Len (1): Razen

 

No Vote (11): Tress, Key, Basel, Kay, Maw, Ishy, AH, Kae, BG

[Songstress]

meanwhile, in teh basement

 

pleased wiff himself and successfully sending off dat pesky Ceiling Cat

 

 

 

but hiz hiding place was soon discovered by Tina.

 

so Basement Kitteh tried to smooth talk her

 

 

 

but Tina said

 

 

an basement Kitteh said

 

 

but Tina stated even louder

 

 

 

an basement kitteh got a mad

 

 

 

an Tina went liek dis

 

 

 

so basement kitteh killeded her.

 

 

Tina, Buddah Kitteh and Cieling Cat's Symp has been killed.

 

 

it is noa Day. kthnxbye

Buddah cat! Noooooo!

 

so with Tina gone who was the other one people were suspicious of? BG? Hes the only one of the original 3 ((BG, Soy and Tina)) that people were tempted to lynch yesterday. Tina got night killed and Soy got lynched and was proven to be telling the truth. That leaves BG.

 

So to get the ball rolling for this day Vote BG

 

Hmm...why the disappointment at Buddha Kitty being killed? She was a symp. A symp that the mafia didn't know they had. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have killed her. Lucky for us they wasted that kill. I want to go back and see if Tina/Nolder dropped any hints related to that role and how people interacted with them. But your reaction here is quite interesting. Vote: Lenlo.

 

The way I read Red's death scene for Tina, it looks more like she was a symp for town. "DO NOT WANT" and all... plus the wording "Ceiling Cat's Symp".

 

It's a bit confusing though.

[SBoydW]

Day wasted and two townies dead. Heh... Have fun.

[Razen]

A town symp? Now THAT is an interesting idea. It's not something that I immediately considered, because in my experience symp is usually a scum-aligned role, but I'm not putting it past Red. It would certainly explain why Tina was so adamant about putting out there that she was town.

 

And I'm also getting the feeling that she knew she was going to be killed. Look at this:

 

I´m so grateful that a lot of people point me out as town - feels good when night comes. I wouldn´t be surprised if at least one of you are scum.

 

It could mean that since a lot of people had marked her on their townie lists that she would be a prime NK candidate, but that assumes that she indeed was town. She wasn't confirmed, and it could have been easy to discredit her by going after BG. It's a gut feeling more than anything, but after her flip, I'm wondering if town symp had some special perks that came with it.

 

I'm also guessing there's some sort of SK out there, considering that we've had two deaths each of the past two nights.

[Songstress]

Gotta admit I'm not really sure how that worked... it's just the wording of the death scene and coroner's report that made me wonder... in DPR's game, Player was listed as "Mafia Symp" when he was killed, so if Tina was mafia symp here, I'd assume Red would have referred to her as Basement Cat's Symp.

[Kaylee]

I was wondering that myself.

[Songstress]

I'm also guessing there's some sort of SK out there, considering that we've had two deaths each of the past two nights.

 

Techically there was only one death N3. Soy's death scene happened after the day began.

[Songstress]

Er, N2. I know what I mean, just not what I'm saying.

[Kaylee]

Er, N2. I know what I mean, just not what I'm saying.

 

I understood what you meant

[Songstress]

Warning! Incoming Wall of FOS!!!

 

I've been thinking about the Tina-as-Town-Symp thing quite a bit, and the thought occurred to me...

 

If she's symping for town, that means the Mafia thought she was one of them to start with, since it makes no sense to have someone the Mafia thinks is town symp for town, right?

 

Which explains this:

 

I´m so grateful that a lot of people point me out as town - feels good when night comes. I wouldn´t be surprised if at least one of you are scum.

 

As Razen noted... but didn't quite go far enough. Unless the mafia had figured out she was a town symp, they're not the ones who NK'd her... could be the Vig/SK, since there was only one official N2 kill (Soy's death scene came over an hour after Day 3 began), with the mafia kill being blocked or protected against in some way... or the mafia could have become suspicious of her and taken her out.

 

So assuming the mafia thought Tina was on their side, at least at first, and Tina pointed out specifically that she would not be surprised if at least one of the people who had pointed her out as scum, let's look at who specifically noted her as being not scummy or town:

 

I don't see the scumminess with Tina's playing. I think she's made a lot of sense so far actually.

 

I'm leaning toward Tina as town.

 

I'm also getting a town vibe from Tina.

 

And here's an interesting one --

 

Hmm...why the disappointment at Buddha Kitty being killed? She was a symp. A symp that the mafia didn't know they had. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have killed her. Lucky for us they wasted that kill. I want to go back and see if Tina/Nolder dropped any hints related to that role and how people interacted with them.

 

In light of Nolder/Tina's role as someone known to be mafia but secretly a town symp... and Razen's completely ignoring the wording Red used in Tina's death scene and coroner's report until I brought it up...

 

I don't have a read on Tina yet - even though she replaced Nolder, who did look really suspicious. That's how he always looks to me, so judging Tina based on what he did at this point seems off. Especially after what happened in the LilKat game. Add to that the fact that both Hoofy and BG (the two I see as most suspicious right now) are on Tina's train, and I really don't think she's a good choice at this moment.

 

... his reluctance to vote Nolder, or Tina who replaced him, pings.

 

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

 

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But that's not all. BG pointed out this interesting little bit earlier, but I'll bring it up again:

 

AHTENSHUN!!

 

 

 

 

Da Hoomans R Comming!! Da Hoomans R Comming!! Do Not Want!!! Do Not Want!!!!

 

 

Paul Revere Kitteh haz warned ju; da Hoomans R Comming and ju do not want!!!

I'm guessing that means that deadline is coming. Unvote, vote Hoof.

Unvote. Vote Hoof.

 

That's L-1 and hammer, within 3 minutes of the moderator announcing -- presumably, since it wasn't explicitly stated -- that a deadline was about to be imposed. This just smacks of a coordinated move. If Tina was on the mafia QT, I'm betting Razen was on it with her.

 

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Now let's look at Soy's lynch again briefly - I did a huge 2-part WoT dealing with his lynch earlier and I'm not going to repeat that, but I did want to point out this little bit. Part of the rationale the lynch leaders -- primarily Ishy and Key, although Maw also brought it up -- used was that we would be vetting Soy as town as well as proving his unlynchable claim.

 

Seeing as how I'm unlynchable.... I would think that you're not going to get a coroner report on me since I won't be dead. So to truly test my alignement you'd then have to turn around and lynch me again tomorrow. You (a general use of "you" because others have used that logic as well) want to waist two days? That is scummy.

 

Soy's claim as unlynchable was going to cause way too much WIFOM until it was vetted... but even Soy points out as unlynchable, we would not get a coroner's report to vet him as town unless we lynched him again (or as it turned out, someone day killed him).

 

BG notes here...

 

Does it say in the scene that he is town?

Yeah, but now we also have a (for all intents and purposes) vetted townie. I wouldn't chalk that up as a total loss.

 

Could be. I don't think it really proves anything of alignment. From my own experience, unlychables seem to be pro-town, but people that have 1 time lynchproof are generally anti-town. So it could go either way.

 

... that unlynchable roles in his experience are usually town aligned, except that one-time lynchproof roles are normally anti-town. And Soy made it pretty clear he was one-time lynchproof above. His coroner's report indicated he was indeed one-time lynchproof... but a townie.

 

A few of us were not 100% sold on Soy being town even after his lynch failed as advertised... but there were some who assumed his telling the truth about being unlynchable also meant he was town. The only people who could be 100% certain he was town would be the mafia.

 

Nowhere does it say that he is town, but I'm reasoning that since he was telling the truth about being lynchproof for today that he was trying to keep us from wasting today. And who benefits from a wasted day? The mafia and the SK (if there is one).

 

Yeah, but now we also have a (for all intents and purposes) vetted townie. I wouldn't chalk that up as a total loss.

 

Razen and Key come up again.

 

And while we're talking about Soy's lynch, the only vote on his train that really pinged me during my re-read was...

 

I don't like the way Soy has been pinging. I just completed my reread. His D1 votes seemed like they were just dropped in out of nowhere. I'm guessing he was trying to take advantage of typical D1 confusion to create a bandwagon on someone the scum wanted gone. I don't trust the way he was quick to give excuses when someone suspected him. He seemed a bit nervous and defensive when Ishy said he'd found the scum. Finally, his role claim doesn't quite ring true to me with the odd timing. If he had brought this out when he was at L -2 or even L -1, I might find it more believable. But with only 2 votes, it strikes me as something he would be better served keeping quiet about if it were true. I want to see this claim confirmed or disproved. If he is telling the truth, then we can find another person to look at.

 

As for others, I'm not feeling the BG lynch right now, but I am keeping my eyes on him. I'm leaning toward Tina as town. But that doesn't necessarily mean that BG is scum. I'm not sure about anyone else yet. I'm also keeping an eye on Kae after her vote on Kay for inactivity when she wasn't all that much more active at the time. It's not much to go on there, but it does bear watching.

 

VOTE SOY.

I agree with this. I find his vote jumping with little explaination to be odd. I also found it odd about the claim as Basil pointed out.

I'm not too sure about BG at this point but will be keeping on eye on him. I'm also getting a town vibe from Tina. That's what I've noticed at this point.

Vote Soy

 

... as I said in my WoT of Doom, entirely bandwagoning Basel's post.

 

Kaylee comes up again.

 

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Yeah, it's her first game. And we're RL friends, and I'm the one who convinced her to join DM and got her hooked on mafia, yada yada... but she knows, this is mafia, and it's not personal. Newbies don't get a free pass.

 

Except...

 

No rum! That's terrible!

 

^ This.

 

Also, thanks for your thoughts! It's always helpful to have everyone weigh in .

 

... apparently they get thanked for bandwagoning a vote without adding any original thoughts... Key again.

 

I was eating dinner when everyone was posting before.

No rum! That's terrible!

 

^ This.

 

Also, thanks for your thoughts! It's always helpful to have everyone weigh in .

My goal is to be an active player

 

Take your time luv, first game is usually observation. Second game, however, we're cutting you no slack. You're easy prey then.

 

... and the guy who took a hard line in the Mistborn game about newbies, stating his personal policy is to give them Day 1 only, and by Day 2 they're fair game and need to learn from experience what they should and shouldn't do, suddenly changes his mind to giving a newbie the entire first game.

 

I'm seeing Ishy as part of this pattern... and...

 

Kae's statement that Kaylee hadn't been posting much yet was very weird and out of the blue, imo. FoS for that. And in my experience (other than EP) they tend to be very quiet actually.

 

Yep, defended by Key...

 

I have to note on D1 we had a couple of others stick up for her...

 

Getting games confused strikes me as a weak reason for voting someone. I'm guessing that townies are equally able to get games confused. His vote on Kaylee may have been a joke vote, but taken in context with his vote on Key, it seems like he may have been trying to start some momentum out of nothing in both cases. VOTE HOOF.

 

Also, Kay seems to be kinda hanging out in the background, but that could just be cus she's new.

I pointed her out because it seems like new people tend to post more. Her not posting much seems odd. And when you consider that most of those posts were spam, well, that doesn't really count IMHO.

 

We have a bunch of pretty new people in this game. They aren't going to say much game related because they're still figuring out what was going on. They're watching and learning. I know Lenlo and Firebird (and I feel like I'm forgetting someone else) were doing it over in the mist born game, and I know I did that in my first game too, so this observation is interesting to me

 

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

 

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to be continued!

[Songstress]

And the rest:

 

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Of the four, my strongest suspicion right now is Key.

 

My "case" on early D1, trying to get the discussion kick-started (please note this was on page 4)...

 

Dont you mean herro kitehz?

 

VOTE KEY for gettin it wrong!

 

I didn't get it wrong - I voted the mod! Don't you think it would be oh-so-much-more fun if WE could make the decisions instead?

 

How dare you vote me! After I complimented your new pic and everything!

 

I vote because I love, darling. Everyone knows that .

Vote: Key

 

Nolder,

 

Stupid phone will not quote now. Grrrr.

 

Nolder - that response made me literally laugh out loud here at the gym. The guy next to me on the treadmill looked at me like i was nuts.

 

Soy darling, why the vote on little ol' me?

 

Key's made a point of responding immediately to each of the votes on her... It's hard to define right now, but something about this doesn't sit right with me. A little defensive, perhaps? Mild ping... Key bears watching, especially if the train on her grows.

 

This was noted as a mild ping, and that she bears watching. At the time I still had my joke vote on Kae, and eventually moved my vote to Hoof. Yet she felt the need to comment immediately on my mild FOS, when she could have just let it slide without comment -- I was looking for reactions, after all...

 

Key's made a point of responding immediately to each of the votes on her... It's hard to define right now, but something about this doesn't sit right with me. A little defensive, perhaps? Mild ping... Key bears watching, especially if the train on her grows.

 

LOL, are you serious? a) why would I be defensive over a few votes on day one? 2) maybe it's just a day where I had some time to kill and z) I like looking for pictures of lolcats - tis fun.

 

And her defensive reaction came up again:

 

So, game then.

 

I find Soy's vote weird, personally. Not that I will be taken seriously since it's on me and you all seem to think I'm acting weird *laughs* it's a lovely little catch 22. But he claims he's all caught up and then votes for someone that already has a couple votes ...and on Day one.

 

I also find it weird that Tress didn't comment on that fact, actually.

 

My response:

 

I assumed Soy was trying to get the first D1 train going and spur some reactions by his vote on you, Key... and truthfully I found your reaction to his vote on you slightly more intriguing than the vote itself.

 

But rest assured, he's not forgotten. He's given me less to work with right now.

 

At this point Soy had posted exactly three times, once to check in, one of them to vote Key, and the third to explain his reason for voting her ("Gotta start somewhere"). My assumption, as stated, was that he was trying to get the game going by starting a train and gauging reactions, which he certainly did, and he later confirmed that was actually the case.

 

But still she came back to this, as if it was actually somehow important that I found her defensive reaction more interesting than Soy's vote, which I understood.

 

I'm still suspicious of Soy. While his first vote for me could *possibly* be considered a Day One joke vote, he follows it with the explanation "Had to start somewhere, why not you?" when I ask about it. Seems like a weird response to me - as if he hadn't been paying attention to the game. Then he does a lot of vote jumping around with little to no explanation and I never like that. Even Wombat gets grilled for that sometimes and that's his MO. It hasn't been Soy's, which seems weird to me.

 

Weirder, though is how Tress ignores Soy's odd behavior (though she's quick to tell me when I mention it that she's noted how Soy has been acting) and goes for my behavior being weird because Soy has given her less to work with. I find this part of her post particularly interesting.

 

Tress- I questioned his reactions strongly because I thought it was weird that he was getting upset over being lynched when he said he was unlynchable.

 

 

Also, yes, I believe it was the only correct play. Please tell me, would you have just left his claim out there *without* trying to vet it?

 

Here she gets defensive about my mentioning her in my WoT, despite the fact that I never FOS'd her or stated I disagreed with her -- in fact, I specifically noted I didn't find her vote on Soy scummy here:

 

Soy (7): Len, Key, Basel, Kay, Maw, Ishy, AH

 

Interesting. I think we'll find scum in the first half of this lynch. Scum probably pushed the lynch then it gained momentum with townies. That's my guess.

 

Meh. I don't agree with that. For the record, also, I believe Ishy was the first on to vote Soy, not toward the end so watching vote count is an iffy way to judge who is scum.

 

For the record... the actual order:

 

Ishy

Lenlo

Key

Basel

Kaylee

Maw

AH

 

So I guess unless you believe Ishy is super crafty scum, you're figuring him as town... and you, Basel and Kaylee are right there in the middle so...

 

Nah, I'm not saying I think you're scum because of where you were in the train. Your vote on him didn't really strike me as scummy. There were some that I questioned, though.

 

And by Kae's theory, perhaps we should look harder at Ishy.

 

It's not her vote that I'm finding suspicious, it's her defensiveness... and here...

 

Going back to Soy, he seems very eager to respond to Ishy's statement about having found the scum. Getting nervous since your name was mentioned? Also, responds quickly to my post about having a weak reason to vote for me on D1. I didn't think it was a comment that needed to be replied to, but he was pretty quick to give his excuse.

 

... she called Soy out for the same kind of behavior she was displaying on D1.

 

With all that said, today I will vote Key.

[Songstress]

Oh, the formatting! /fail

[Niniel]

Red, your posts are epic!

 

Buddha cat is now on his way to nirvana. Go town!

[Lenlo]

Razen, I said that for 2 reasons. 1) I wanted to try and be mildly amusing at the time. It was late for me so tired as I was it was amusing to me. 2) It looked as if it was a town symp because it said Ceiling Cat and it was highlighted in green, the town color. I dont know a good amount of how a symp works but it seemed as if she was on our side.

 

Song your right ups are always so much fun to read.

[Razen]

So basically what I got out of Songstress's massive WoT is that she's suspicious of me, Kaylee, Ishy, Basel, and Key. Which is interesting, because she contradicts herself at the beginning and end of her first post. First, this is her list from her first statement of who she suspects:

 

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

 

And second, this is her list at the end of the first post:

 

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

 

Why does Basel switch from the list of top suspects to not as suspicious as me, Kaylee, and Key? And why wasn't Ishy mentioned at the beginning if she was suspicious of him? And then part 2 of the massive WoT - the justification for her vote on Key.

 

Of the four, my strongest suspicion right now is Key.

 

My "case" on early D1, trying to get the discussion kick-started (please note this was on page 4)...

 

{snipped-Key's reactions to the votes on her at the beginning of Day 1}

 

This was noted as a mild ping, and that she bears watching. At the time I still had my joke vote on Kae, and eventually moved my vote to Hoof. Yet she felt the need to comment immediately on my mild FOS, when she could have just let it slide without comment -- I was looking for reactions, after all...

 

I assumed Soy was trying to get the first D1 train going and spur some reactions by his vote on you, Key... and truthfully I found your reaction to his vote on you slightly more intriguing than the vote itself.

 

But rest assured, he's not forgotten. He's given me less to work with right now.

 

But still she came back to this, as if it was actually somehow important that I found her defensive reaction more interesting than Soy's vote, which I understood.

 

Meh. I don't agree with that. For the record, also, I believe Ishy was the first on to vote Soy, not toward the end so watching vote count is an iffy way to judge who is scum.

 

Nah, I'm not saying I think you're scum because of where you were in the train. Your vote on him didn't really strike me as scummy. There were some that I questioned, though.

 

And by Kae's theory, perhaps we should look harder at Ishy.

 

I snipped a lot of the quotes, but I kept what I thought was relevant. There's two things I want to address here.

 

1. I bolded and italicized the "given me less to work with right now" line. That sticks out to me. Why had he given you less to work with? That sounds like a mafioso trying to collect something to build a case on town players. It would explain why she didn't vote Soy. She knew he would flip town. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught dead on that lynch, especially after Soy had revealed. So she said that she was going to hammer, but let someone else do it for her.

 

2. With her quoting on who was on the Soy train, she never mentioned the votes that struck her as scummy. All she said was that there were some that she had questioned. Why didn't she point them out?

 

In short, I am HIGHLY suspicious of Songstress and her massive WoT's. There are little inconsistencies that together give me a scummy vibe from her. Unvote, vote Songstress.

[bgrishinko]

Huh. Well, Tina, my apologies... maybe I was half right about you being mafia at least, just not in the good way? I'm not really sure how Town Symp works unless it is another name for a mafia traitor sort of role as people have speculated like the one I gave Mynd in my Earthbound Mafia.

 

Also, the fact that Soy's death came after day break intrigues me a bit, but there isn't much we can do about it, so I'm not going to dwell on it other than make an assumption for myself that the 2nd killer is a SK and not a Vig. Also reminds me not to make assumptions about how roles normally work.

 

I need to think over Tress's WoT a bit. Currently I'm intrigued by the Kaylee/Ishy thing and think that that deserves more attention. I'm undecided on the Razen and Key FoS's though. Some of it might be drummed up from them making assumptions that turned out right or wrong, but I think the logic checks out.

 

Oh look... Razen posted.

 

@Razen... Your reasoning on Tress feels a bit nitpicky right now and I'm not feeling it.

 

For now I'm going to Vote Kaylee

[Sakaea]

Buddah cat! Noooooo! so with Tina gone who was the other one people were suspicious of? BG? Hes the only one of the original 3 ((BG, Soy and Tina)) that people were tempted to lynch yesterday. Tina got night killed and Soy got lynched and was proven to be telling the truth. That leaves BG. So to get the ball rolling for this day Vote BG

Hmm...why the disappointment at Buddha Kitty being killed? She was a symp. A symp that the mafia didn't know they had. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have killed her. Lucky for us they wasted that kill. I want to go back and see if Tina/Nolder dropped any hints related to that role and how people interacted with them. But your reaction here is quite interesting. Vote: Lenlo.

 

I know this has been pointed out, but FOS for mistaking Ceiling Cat as mafia. Could be an honest mistake, or could be intentional as scummy kitteh.

 

 

So basically what I got out of Songstress's massive WoT is that she's suspicious of me, Kaylee, Ishy, Basel, and Key. Which is interesting, because she contradicts herself at the beginning and end of her first post. First, this is her list from her first statement of who she suspects:

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

And second, this is her list at the end of the first post:

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

Why does Basel switch from the list of top suspects to not as suspicious as me, Kaylee, and Key? And why wasn't Ishy mentioned at the beginning if she was suspicious of him? And then part 2 of the massive WoT - the justification for her vote on Key.

Of the four, my strongest suspicion right now is Key. My "case" on early D1, trying to get the discussion kick-started (please note this was on page 4)... {snipped-Key's reactions to the votes on her at the beginning of Day 1} This was noted as a mild ping, and that she bears watching. At the time I still had my joke vote on Kae, and eventually moved my vote to Hoof. Yet she felt the need to comment immediately on my mild FOS, when she could have just let it slide without comment -- I was looking for reactions, after all...

I assumed Soy was trying to get the first D1 train going and spur some reactions by his vote on you, Key... and truthfully I found your reaction to his vote on you slightly more intriguing than the vote itself. But rest assured, he's not forgotten. He's given me less to work with right now.

But still she came back to this, as if it was actually somehow important that I found her defensive reaction more interesting than Soy's vote, which I understood.

Meh. I don't agree with that. For the record, also, I believe Ishy was the first on to vote Soy, not toward the end so watching vote count is an iffy way to judge who is scum.

Nah, I'm not saying I think you're scum because of where you were in the train. Your vote on him didn't really strike me as scummy. There were some that I questioned, though. And by Kae's theory, perhaps we should look harder at Ishy.

I snipped a lot of the quotes, but I kept what I thought was relevant. There's two things I want to address here. 1. I bolded and italicized the "given me less to work with right now" line. That sticks out to me. Why had he given you less to work with? That sounds like a mafioso trying to collect something to build a case on town players. It would explain why she didn't vote Soy. She knew he would flip town. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught dead on that lynch, especially after Soy had revealed. So she said that she was going to hammer, but let someone else do it for her. 2. With her quoting on who was on the Soy train, she never mentioned the votes that struck her as scummy. All she said was that there were some that she had questioned. Why didn't she point them out? In short, I am HIGHLY suspicious of Songstress and her massive WoT's. There are little inconsistencies that together give me a scummy vibe from her. Unvote, vote Songstress.

 

 

FOS again. Suspicions often change during the writing of WOT, so I don't see a contradiction in Songstress' suspicions. Yeah, they change from beginning to end. So?

 

Vote Razen

 

I'm also suspicious of Ishy and Key, but more so of Razen right now.

[Razen]

I find it interesting that when I point out that I see inconstencies in Songstress's argument that BG and Kae both immediately jump to her defense.

 

@Razen... Your reasoning on Tress feels a bit nitpicky right now and I'm not feeling it.

 

BG says I'm being nitpicky. Sounds like he's trying to dismiss what I'm saying without giving the appearance that he disagrees. Noted.

 

And Kae:

 

FOS again. Suspicions often change during the writing of WOT, so I don't see a contradiction in Songstress' suspicions. Yeah, they change from beginning to end. So?

 

Trying to deflect what I've brought up by saying that suspicions often change during the writing of a WOT and that since they change that I don't have any points. Also noted.

[Sakaea]

I didn't say you didn't have any points. I said I don't think that's a reason to vote for her. Hence why I'm voting for you.

[bgrishinko]

I find it interesting that when I point out that I see inconstencies in Songstress's argument that BG and Kae both immediately jump to her defense.

 

@Razen... Your reasoning on Tress feels a bit nitpicky right now and I'm not feeling it.

 

BG says I'm being nitpicky. Sounds like he's trying to dismiss what I'm saying without giving the appearance that he disagrees. Noted.

 

 

I disagree with your case because it is nitpicky and I don't think it holds water. Better?

[Songstress]

Razen, try to follow the logic throughout the course of the post. I started out looking at who specifically noted Tina as town, and my first list of "who I am looking at" was based on those people specifically.

 

Then I moved on to the Hoof and Soy lynches, and noted the specific things that pinged me there... etc. And my final list of FoS was based on the names that came up the most and pinged me the most.

 

No inconsistency there. Basel is still on my radar, but I sincerely doubt there are enough spots on the mafia team to accommodate everyone who had pinged me, and he hasn't pinged as hard as the others.

 

But thanks for your poor case against me, it just firms up my suspicion of you. I'm currently voting Key as I think my case on her was strongest, but am more than willing to switch to any of the others who confirm their place on the list as well as you have.

 

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[Netbattler11]

Razen, what do you have to hide that you're grasping at straws to try and discredit those who attack you? VOTE RAZEN