[Advanced] teh lolz Apocalypse Mafia - Game Over - Congrads Mafia

[Red2111]

Deadline

 

11 alive, 6 to lynch

 

Vote Count

 

BG (1): Len

Key (1): Tress

Tress (1): Razen

Kay (1): BG

Razen (2): Kae, Maw

 

No Vote (5): Key, Basel, Kay, Ishy, AH

[Razen]

WARNING- WOT incoming!

 

I didn't say you didn't have any points. I said I don't think that's a reason to vote for her. Hence why I'm voting for you.

 

So you're saying then that I do have a point? Which one is it? And you never even said that it was a reason to vote for her.

 

Buddah cat! Noooooo! so with Tina gone who was the other one people were suspicious of? BG? Hes the only one of the original 3 ((BG, Soy and Tina)) that people were tempted to lynch yesterday. Tina got night killed and Soy got lynched and was proven to be telling the truth. That leaves BG. So to get the ball rolling for this day Vote BG

Hmm...why the disappointment at Buddha Kitty being killed? She was a symp. A symp that the mafia didn't know they had. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have killed her. Lucky for us they wasted that kill. I want to go back and see if Tina/Nolder dropped any hints related to that role and how people interacted with them. But your reaction here is quite interesting. Vote: Lenlo.

 

I know this has been pointed out, but FOS for mistaking Ceiling Cat as mafia. Could be an honest mistake, or could be intentional as scummy kitteh.

 

 

So basically what I got out of Songstress's massive WoT is that she's suspicious of me, Kaylee, Ishy, Basel, and Key. Which is interesting, because she contradicts herself at the beginning and end of her first post. First, this is her list from her first statement of who she suspects:

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

And second, this is her list at the end of the first post:

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

Why does Basel switch from the list of top suspects to not as suspicious as me, Kaylee, and Key? And why wasn't Ishy mentioned at the beginning if she was suspicious of him? And then part 2 of the massive WoT - the justification for her vote on Key.

Of the four, my strongest suspicion right now is Key. My "case" on early D1, trying to get the discussion kick-started (please note this was on page 4)... {snipped-Key's reactions to the votes on her at the beginning of Day 1} This was noted as a mild ping, and that she bears watching. At the time I still had my joke vote on Kae, and eventually moved my vote to Hoof. Yet she felt the need to comment immediately on my mild FOS, when she could have just let it slide without comment -- I was looking for reactions, after all...

I assumed Soy was trying to get the first D1 train going and spur some reactions by his vote on you, Key... and truthfully I found your reaction to his vote on you slightly more intriguing than the vote itself. But rest assured, he's not forgotten. He's given me less to work with right now.

But still she came back to this, as if it was actually somehow important that I found her defensive reaction more interesting than Soy's vote, which I understood.

Meh. I don't agree with that. For the record, also, I believe Ishy was the first on to vote Soy, not toward the end so watching vote count is an iffy way to judge who is scum.

Nah, I'm not saying I think you're scum because of where you were in the train. Your vote on him didn't really strike me as scummy. There were some that I questioned, though. And by Kae's theory, perhaps we should look harder at Ishy.

I snipped a lot of the quotes, but I kept what I thought was relevant. There's two things I want to address here. 1. I bolded and italicized the "given me less to work with right now" line. That sticks out to me. Why had he given you less to work with? That sounds like a mafioso trying to collect something to build a case on town players. It would explain why she didn't vote Soy. She knew he would flip town. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught dead on that lynch, especially after Soy had revealed. So she said that she was going to hammer, but let someone else do it for her. 2. With her quoting on who was on the Soy train, she never mentioned the votes that struck her as scummy. All she said was that there were some that she had questioned. Why didn't she point them out? In short, I am HIGHLY suspicious of Songstress and her massive WoT's. There are little inconsistencies that together give me a scummy vibe from her. Unvote, vote Songstress.

 

 

FOS again. Suspicions often change during the writing of WOT, so I don't see a contradiction in Songstress' suspicions. Yeah, they change from beginning to end. So?

 

Vote Razen

 

I'm also suspicious of Ishy and Key, but more so of Razen right now.

 

All you said was you didn't see a contradiction. Nowhere does it say that you didn't see that as a reason for my voting Songstress. And why the defense of her? For all we know, Songstress is scum leading us on a wild goose chase with all the stuff that she's gathered. Unless of course you're her scummate, in which case you'd be doing anything possible to help her out.

 

Songstress used sound logic and reasoning to outline her case. I'm not debating that. The three biggest points I took issue with were these:

 

So basically what I got out of Songstress's massive WoT is that she's suspicious of me, Kaylee, Ishy, Basel, and Key. Which is interesting, because she contradicts herself at the beginning and end of her first post. First, this is her list from her first statement of who she suspects:

 

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

 

And second, this is her list at the end of the first post:

 

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

 

Why does Basel switch from the list of top suspects to not as suspicious as me, Kaylee, and Key? And why wasn't Ishy mentioned at the beginning if she was suspicious of him? And then part 2 of the massive WoT - the justification for her vote on Key.

 

1. I bolded and italicized the "given me less to work with right now" line. That sticks out to me. Why had he given you less to work with? That sounds like a mafioso trying to collect something to build a case on town players. It would explain why she didn't vote Soy. She knew he would flip town. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught dead on that lynch, especially after Soy had revealed. So she said that she was going to hammer, but let someone else do it for her.

 

2. With her quoting on who was on the Soy train, she never mentioned the votes that struck her as scummy. All she said was that there were some that she had questioned. Why didn't she point them out?

 

In short, I am HIGHLY suspicious of Songstress and her massive WoT's. There are little inconsistencies that together give me a scummy vibe from her. Unvote, vote Songstress.

 

The first was the shifting of suspicions, which has been explained - by Kae. Not by Songstress.

The numbered two are the other ones. I still stick to my theory on Soy. Songstress said this:

 

This reminds me of Day 2 in the ASoIaF game when they decided to try to lynch Chrissy because she claimed to be a tree stump.

 

Pretty much had to be done, and she was telling the truth, but man, it ticked her off.

 

I'm getting the same kind of vibe here... but yeah, it's going to be tough to do anything else today but vet that claim.

 

GSoD is almost caught up, and I'm off work tomorrow so I should have more thoughts before I call it a night, along with a vote.

 

At this point, she was saying that it is hard to do anything but vet Soy's claim at this point. But she doesn't commit her vote. Pay attention to the time stamp here.

 

Later, after Soy has been hammered, she says this:

 

Soy is totally being weird about this...

 

Vote Soy

 

Just finished catching up... and unless my count is wrong, that was a hammer.

 

I agree that the best move for today was going to have to be vetting Soy's claim. There would be too many questions hanging out there if we didn't test it. And his reactions have been... odd, although I wouldn't be too surprised if he was telling the truth. I'm assuming this is a one-time lynchproof role as he mentioned having to waste two days to test his alignment.

 

Still trying to make sense of the BG/Tina thing... Razen and Lenlo are pinging me a bit right now also, going to have to sleep on it and get some coffee in my system before I can define that further.

 

With no further ado... let me get right on that.

 

Four hours later, she says again that the best move was vetting Soy's claim. And then the big statement - bolded and italicized. We hadn't gotten the reveal at this point. So why does she say that she wouldn't be surprised if he was telling the truth? I don't know. But this next statement makes me suspicious.

 

My only other comment regarding the Soy train. If I hadn't been distracted keeping my spam-buddy company over at the BT, I would most likely have finished catching up the GSoD before the hammer vote and done it myself -- I still don't see any way we could have avoided testing his claim D2.

 

If you knew that Soy's WIFOM claim was going to be difficult to resolve without testing it, why did you not commit your vote before the hammer, when you had outlined that as your reasoning? You gave the excuse that "I still have to catch up with the GSoD", but it's clear at that point that you were setting yourself up for a vote on Soy regardless of what had come up. And a half a day later, you said that "I would have hammered, but I still had catching up to do on the GSoD".

 

I understand that people have lives outside the game, but the fact that you had positioned yourself to hammer Soy and refused to do so is my main reason that I'm suspicious of you right now.

 

This returns me to the Soy train. I agree with the statements about examining it for scum, but I think that a crafty scum would have done exactly what Songstress did - position themselves for the vote, then let someone else do it and claim - oh, but I was going to do it. You look town, you look like you were trying to help vet Soy's claim, and you still can take the high road and say "I knew it was like Christine's claim from the ASOIAF game!"

[Razen]

Razen, what do you have to hide that you're grasping at straws to try and discredit those who attack you? VOTE RAZEN

 

I have absolutely nothing to hide. If I did, do you think I'd be going out and trying to draw people's attention like I'm a lightning rod?

[Sakaea]

Sakaea, on 13 April 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

 

I didn't say you didn't have any points. I said I don't think that's a reason to vote for her. Hence why I'm voting for you.

 

So you're saying then that I do have a point? Which one is it? And you never even said that it was a reason to vote for her.

 

No, I neither said you had or didn't have a point. And sorry, I implied that was not a reason to vote for her. However, the more you try to make sense, the scummier you seem.

 

And Songstress also explained her shifting suspicions, post 549. Stop skimming, seriously.

[bgrishinko]

Hmm. Looks like this is the issue of the day. The Kaylee/Ishy thing will have to go on my backburner. I'm going to have to go back and reread specifically with an eye for Tress and Razen.

[Kaylee]

I think the Tress/Razen thing pings me the most at the moment. Though I'll have to do a reread after work for the rest.

[keyholder21]

Should I ignore your case on me Tress? Because it seems like, to you, if I mention anything at all that someone has said about me, it's me being defensive .

[keyholder21]

I'm going to reread later, after dinner and stuff and put up thoughts.

[John E. Kelley]

We shall all wait breathlessly for your wisdom

 

[John E. Kelley]

I'm going to reread the whole Tress-Raz thing and have a comment on it shortly. From what I see, they are our best bets today.

[Lenlo]

I can see either one of those. For now im going to wait for some more arguments/defenses though.

Unvote

[Red2111]

*skips in screeching "We Are Younge" by FUN at the top of her lungs in an offkey sort of way*

 

 

Deadline

 

11 alive, 6 to lynch

 

Vote Count

 

Key (1): Tress

Tress (1): Razen

Kay (1): BG

Razen (2): Kae, Maw

 

No Vote (5): Key, Basel, Kay, Ishy, AH, Len

[Kaylee]

Just completed a reread. After reveiwing what has been said today Razen/Tress thing is stood out. Mostly because of this:

 

 

WARNING- WOT incoming!

 

I didn't say you didn't have any points. I said I don't think that's a reason to vote for her. Hence why I'm voting for you.

 

So you're saying then that I do have a point? Which one is it? And you never even said that it was a reason to vote for her.

 

Buddah cat! Noooooo! so with Tina gone who was the other one people were suspicious of? BG? Hes the only one of the original 3 ((BG, Soy and Tina)) that people were tempted to lynch yesterday. Tina got night killed and Soy got lynched and was proven to be telling the truth. That leaves BG. So to get the ball rolling for this day Vote BG

Hmm...why the disappointment at Buddha Kitty being killed? She was a symp. A symp that the mafia didn't know they had. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have killed her. Lucky for us they wasted that kill. I want to go back and see if Tina/Nolder dropped any hints related to that role and how people interacted with them. But your reaction here is quite interesting. Vote: Lenlo.

 

I know this has been pointed out, but FOS for mistaking Ceiling Cat as mafia. Could be an honest mistake, or could be intentional as scummy kitteh.

 

So basically what I got out of Songstress's massive WoT is that she's suspicious of me, Kaylee, Ishy, Basel, and Key. Which is interesting, because she contradicts herself at the beginning and end of her first post. First, this is her list from her first statement of who she suspects:

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

And second, this is her list at the end of the first post:

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

Why does Basel switch from the list of top suspects to not as suspicious as me, Kaylee, and Key? And why wasn't Ishy mentioned at the beginning if she was suspicious of him? And then part 2 of the massive WoT - the justification for her vote on Key.

Of the four, my strongest suspicion right now is Key. My "case" on early D1, trying to get the discussion kick-started (please note this was on page 4)... {snipped-Key's reactions to the votes on her at the beginning of Day 1} This was noted as a mild ping, and that she bears watching. At the time I still had my joke vote on Kae, and eventually moved my vote to Hoof. Yet she felt the need to comment immediately on my mild FOS, when she could have just let it slide without comment -- I was looking for reactions, after all...

I assumed Soy was trying to get the first D1 train going and spur some reactions by his vote on you, Key... and truthfully I found your reaction to his vote on you slightly more intriguing than the vote itself. But rest assured, he's not forgotten. He's given me less to work with right now.

But still she came back to this, as if it was actually somehow important that I found her defensive reaction more interesting than Soy's vote, which I understood.

Meh. I don't agree with that. For the record, also, I believe Ishy was the first on to vote Soy, not toward the end so watching vote count is an iffy way to judge who is scum.

Nah, I'm not saying I think you're scum because of where you were in the train. Your vote on him didn't really strike me as scummy. There were some that I questioned, though. And by Kae's theory, perhaps we should look harder at Ishy.

I snipped a lot of the quotes, but I kept what I thought was relevant. There's two things I want to address here. 1. I bolded and italicized the "given me less to work with right now" line. That sticks out to me. Why had he given you less to work with? That sounds like a mafioso trying to collect something to build a case on town players. It would explain why she didn't vote Soy. She knew he would flip town. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught dead on that lynch, especially after Soy had revealed. So she said that she was going to hammer, but let someone else do it for her. 2. With her quoting on who was on the Soy train, she never mentioned the votes that struck her as scummy. All she said was that there were some that she had questioned. Why didn't she point them out? In short, I am HIGHLY suspicious of Songstress and her massive WoT's. There are little inconsistencies that together give me a scummy vibe from her. Unvote, vote Songstress.

 

 

FOS again. Suspicions often change during the writing of WOT, so I don't see a contradiction in Songstress' suspicions. Yeah, they change from beginning to end. So?

 

Vote Razen

 

I'm also suspicious of Ishy and Key, but more so of Razen right now.

 

All you said was you didn't see a contradiction. Nowhere does it say that you didn't see that as a reason for my voting Songstress. And why the defense of her? For all we know, Songstress is scum leading us on a wild goose chase with all the stuff that she's gathered. Unless of course you're her scummate, in which case you'd be doing anything possible to help her out.

 

Songstress used sound logic and reasoning to outline her case. I'm not debating that. The three biggest points I took issue with were these:

 

So basically what I got out of Songstress's massive WoT is that she's suspicious of me, Kaylee, Ishy, Basel, and Key. Which is interesting, because she contradicts herself at the beginning and end of her first post. First, this is her list from her first statement of who she suspects:

 

I'm looking so far at Key, Basel, Kaylee and Razen.

 

And second, this is her list at the end of the first post:

 

... and while this is the second appearance of Basel in my Wall of FOS, I'm seeing Key, Kaylee, Razen and Ishy as being much more suspicious at this time.

 

Why does Basel switch from the list of top suspects to not as suspicious as me, Kaylee, and Key? And why wasn't Ishy mentioned at the beginning if she was suspicious of him? And then part 2 of the massive WoT - the justification for her vote on Key.

 

1. I bolded and italicized the "given me less to work with right now" line. That sticks out to me. Why had he given you less to work with? That sounds like a mafioso trying to collect something to build a case on town players. It would explain why she didn't vote Soy. She knew he would flip town. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught dead on that lynch, especially after Soy had revealed. So she said that she was going to hammer, but let someone else do it for her.

 

2. With her quoting on who was on the Soy train, she never mentioned the votes that struck her as scummy. All she said was that there were some that she had questioned. Why didn't she point them out?

 

In short, I am HIGHLY suspicious of Songstress and her massive WoT's. There are little inconsistencies that together give me a scummy vibe from her. Unvote, vote Songstress.

 

The first was the shifting of suspicions, which has been explained - by Kae. Not by Songstress.

The numbered two are the other ones. I still stick to my theory on Soy. Songstress said this:

 

This reminds me of Day 2 in the ASoIaF game when they decided to try to lynch Chrissy because she claimed to be a tree stump.

 

Pretty much had to be done, and she was telling the truth, but man, it ticked her off.

 

I'm getting the same kind of vibe here... but yeah, it's going to be tough to do anything else today but vet that claim.

 

GSoD is almost caught up, and I'm off work tomorrow so I should have more thoughts before I call it a night, along with a vote.

 

At this point, she was saying that it is hard to do anything but vet Soy's claim at this point. But she doesn't commit her vote. Pay attention to the time stamp here.

 

Later, after Soy has been hammered, she says this:

 

Soy is totally being weird about this...

 

Vote Soy

 

Just finished catching up... and unless my count is wrong, that was a hammer.

 

I agree that the best move for today was going to have to be vetting Soy's claim. There would be too many questions hanging out there if we didn't test it. And his reactions have been... odd, although I wouldn't be too surprised if he was telling the truth. I'm assuming this is a one-time lynchproof role as he mentioned having to waste two days to test his alignment.

 

Still trying to make sense of the BG/Tina thing... Razen and Lenlo are pinging me a bit right now also, going to have to sleep on it and get some coffee in my system before I can define that further.

 

With no further ado... let me get right on that.

 

Four hours later, she says again that the best move was vetting Soy's claim. And then the big statement - bolded and italicized. We hadn't gotten the reveal at this point. So why does she say that she wouldn't be surprised if he was telling the truth? I don't know. But this next statement makes me suspicious.

 

My only other comment regarding the Soy train. If I hadn't been distracted keeping my spam-buddy company over at the BT, I would most likely have finished catching up the GSoD before the hammer vote and done it myself -- I still don't see any way we could have avoided testing his claim D2.

 

If you knew that Soy's WIFOM claim was going to be difficult to resolve without testing it, why did you not commit your vote before the hammer, when you had outlined that as your reasoning? You gave the excuse that "I still have to catch up with the GSoD", but it's clear at that point that you were setting yourself up for a vote on Soy regardless of what had come up. And a half a day later, you said that "I would have hammered, but I still had catching up to do on the GSoD".

 

I understand that people have lives outside the game, but the fact that you had positioned yourself to hammer Soy and refused to do so is my main reason that I'm suspicious of you right now.

 

This returns me to the Soy train. I agree with the statements about examining it for scum, but I think that a crafty scum would have done exactly what Songstress did - position themselves for the vote, then let someone else do it and claim - oh, but I was going to do it. You look town, you look like you were trying to help vet Soy's claim, and you still can take the high road and say "I knew it was like Christine's claim from the ASOIAF game!"

 

 

 

And Kea's response:

 

 

 

Sakaea, on 13 April 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

 

I didn't say you didn't have any points. I said I don't think that's a reason to vote for her. Hence why I'm voting for you.

 

So you're saying then that I do have a point? Which one is it? And you never even said that it was a reason to vote for her.

 

No, I neither said you had or didn't have a point. And sorry, I implied that was not a reason to vote for her. However, the more you try to make sense, the scummier you seem.

 

And Songstress also explained her shifting suspicions, post 549. Stop skimming, seriously.

 

Kea pointed out the logic of why Tress said what she did and why the shifting still Razen seeks her out.

[bgrishinko]

I was just singing that at the top of my lungs with Sissi (pronounced CC.... my wife)

 

I'm busy tonight with the wife. ;) Haven't had a chance to review yet... but I feel like there was an echo after me. Just sayin'.

[Red2111]

<3 BG absolutely love that song, and have had it stuck in my head all day.

 

also like "feel so close" by Calvin Harris

[John E. Kelley]

I don't know what that means. You young whippersnappers.....

[Basel Gill]

I can haz WoT here now?

 

I'm guessing that means that deadline is coming. Unvote, vote Hoof.

 

Razen seems a little eager to jump in and vote Hoofy when Red gives a DL warning.

 

Soy (7): Len, Key, Basel, Kay, Maw, Ishy, AH

 

Interesting. I think we'll find scum in the first half of this lynch. Scum probably pushed the lynch then it gained momentum with townies. That's my guess.

 

I don't know. The first two votes were Ishy and Lenlo, and that was before Soy revealed that he was lynchproof. What I would be looking at is who pushed it after the reveal. There, the big three were Ishy, Maw, and Songstress.

 

Razen starts examining who was on the Soy wagon here. A wagon that he wasn't on at all. I'm starting to wonder if maybe he was avoiding the Soy lynch to distance himself from it. The general assumption seems to be that scum were active in pushing the Soy lynch; maybe scum were accounting for this and left someone off?

 

Razen, what do you have to hide that you're grasping at straws to try and discredit those who attack you? VOTE RAZEN

 

I have absolutely nothing to hide. If I did, do you think I'd be going out and trying to draw people's attention like I'm a lightning rod?

 

A classic scum move. Do one thing, and then argue on thread that "scum wouldn't do this... If I were scum, I'd do the exact opposite of what I am doing." If you want to make people think that you have nothing to hide... then hell, yes, I think you would, and I think you are. VOTE RAZEN.

[John E. Kelley]

Bogie is sitting at the bar tonight everyone. Don't get caught up in the crap if you're scared.

[Songstress]

*holds out hand for the keys to the Tahoe*

[John E. Kelley]

No! My keys! Bad Tress! Oh, there are cops on the road? *Grumbles Fine, I get shotgun though.

[Songstress]

*pats the passenger seat* Right there, babe.

 

Where we headed?

[Kaylee]

Can I come too?

[Songstress]

Hop in. Apparently the Tahoe seats about 30.

[John E. Kelley]

First, we're staying here on the barstool for a bit. Then we'll head to.....well, first, lemme ask you a question. Does excessive female nudity bother you?

[Songstress]

I DO watch Game of Thrones....

 

But there is equal opportunity eye candy, if not exactly equal opportunity nudity.

 

I'll probably get bored outta my skull and take off with the Tahoe.