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#1 birdjac89

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:01 AM

* First of all if you haven't finished the books there are probably going to be spoilers



So I am curious, If you had to pick a character that you were disapointed to find out was a dark friend. Mine was probably Sheriam, I really liked her in the beginning.

Verin would also be one but I dont think she really counted. She was more like a good guy pretending to be a bad guy pretending to be a good guy.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

I am the other way. I am hoping for more people in the inner circle turn out to be Friends of the Dark.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

I thought about both comments.. very clever....but I think we have yet to find out, wich darkfriend will be the one we regret most..
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#4 Tom Sawyer

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

I think Sheriam as well. Her being a DF just made absolutely no sense in light of her statements and actions earlier in the books. I get the whole thing about it being those whom you least expect and her faking those personality traits to hide who she really was and all that, but it just didn't work for me.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 02:15 PM

Sheriam seemed less a true believer and more someone who felt that being BA would let her get ahead, and had the unfortunate timing to be born during the days before the Last Battle.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:08 PM

Not really a Dark friend exactly, but Graendal.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:10 PM

Lord Ingtar, Delana Sedai, Sheriam Sedai, that Aiel woman who approached Mat in the Waste and later tried to kill him (after the attack of the hellhounds), Verin Sedai at first, but after her explanation I find her really awesome.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:17 PM

Ingtar was a shocker to me, at the beginning. I think it'd be an insult to Verin's character to NOT have that scene in TOM. Sheriam, I was always suspicious of, but... meh. :x

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:42 PM

Oh yeah completely forgot about Ingtar (a sign I need to do another reread). Him too then.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:48 PM

No major choices for me, I just hope there isn't a forced darkfriend in the last book to fulfill that expectation from the fans. Good stories can't have everything.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:42 PM

If Ingtar had redemption that wasn't through death, it would be very cool, but I like his character. Sheriam and Weiramon were the least exciting. I'm of two minds about Rand's apparent power.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:49 PM

I was also surprised by Mat's Aiel girlfriend turning out to be a Darkfriend, and on my current re-read it's hard to reconcile Sheriam's character with what I know she is. Sort of off-topic, but re-reading the chapters in TGH where that expedition of Aes Sedai comes to Sheinar, I was surprised by how many of those sisters turned out to be Black Ajah later. Ingtar and Verin I think were made better, more interesting characters by the revelation that they were Dakfriends (not that I didn't like them before I knew that).

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:56 PM

I totally forgot about Ingtar and mats aiel girlfriend. I also think that with ingtar and verin being dark friends it adds to the human factor. Not every darkfriend is pure evil and there is no pure good people also.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:39 PM

many of the darkfriends truely didn't believe the dark one would be freed and that what theyw ere doing caused any harm, many just lived a completely normal life. Then they get caught by the forsaken and forced to do stuff.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:28 AM

Ingtar comes to mind, yes.

We could also have a topic about those we wish would've turned out to be DFs... Asunawa is on the top of my list,
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:14 AM

We could also have a topic about those we wish would've turned out to be DFs... Asunawa is on the top of my list,


I think Asunawa was crazed by power and his beliefs just like Masema was. They were no real DF's but some kind of "fanatics of light" which is almost the same as being a DF. You torture and kill people in the name of the Light - in my opinion you're a friend of the Dark.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:04 AM

We could also have a topic about those we wish would've turned out to be DFs... Asunawa is on the top of my list,


I think Asunawa was crazed by power and his beliefs just like Masema was. They were no real DF's but some kind of "fanatics of light" which is almost the same as being a DF. You torture and kill people in the name of the Light - in my opinion you're a friend of the Dark.

Agreed, its something that transfers over the real world.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:11 PM


We could also have a topic about those we wish would've turned out to be DFs... Asunawa is on the top of my list,


I think Asunawa was crazed by power and his beliefs just like Masema was. They were no real DF's but some kind of "fanatics of light" which is almost the same as being a DF. You torture and kill people in the name of the Light - in my opinion you're a friend of the Dark.

Agreed, its something that transfers over the real world.


Sad but true. A good writer knows how to create good characters with implemented characteristics from "real life." :aessedai: there are no totally good and totally bad persons. Good and evil are inside all of us, and it just depends on ones personality which one will dominate.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:40 PM



We could also have a topic about those we wish would've turned out to be DFs... Asunawa is on the top of my list,


I think Asunawa was crazed by power and his beliefs just like Masema was. They were no real DF's but some kind of "fanatics of light" which is almost the same as being a DF. You torture and kill people in the name of the Light - in my opinion you're a friend of the Dark.

Agreed, its something that transfers over the real world.


Sad but true. A good writer knows how to create good characters with implemented characteristics from "real life." :aessedai: there are no totally good and totally bad persons. Good and evil are inside all of us, and it just depends on ones personality which one will dominate.

Yah, also ones' social mores and rules make a dramatic difference (Seanchan)in what we would call evil or good. And no this isnt the old there is no good or evil speech either. :rolleyes: Also I was trying to sneak in a little snarky bash on those who do something in the name of "good" behind their belief systems. :biggrin:
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:57 PM

Mazrim Taim. Started as a perfect opportunity to do something not so "Black and white" (or off-black for Fain?), supposedly ruined. I still have my fingers crossed for something more interesting than, "Ta-da! Another dark minion! Who saw that coming?!" but I wouldn't bet on it.

Edited by Kael Pyralis, 28 February 2012 - 03:58 PM.

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