Wombat's A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia (Advanced) Game Thread

[Leelou]

I'm all for proving Christine's claim.

 

Vote: Christine

[John McClane]

1. bgrishinko

2. amegakure

3. Amadine

4. Song

5. Nolder

6. Verbal

7. Tina - Rickon Stark, Backup Faction Leader, Bulletproof Vest, House Stark - lynched Day 1

8. Aemon

9. Boyo Razen

10. Leelou

11. Red - Catelyn Stark, Vanilla, House Stark - killed Night 1

12. Vicious

13. Sakaea

14. Keyholder

15. PatsFanTX

16. Christine

17. Ishy

18. Graendals favourite - Jeor Mormont, Governor/Recruiter, Night's Watch - killed Night 1

19. Levity Songstress

20. Thorum

21. dapianoplay3r

22. trench

23. Pale

24. mcs Paperblade

25. 鲍勃不是我的名字

26. Perfexionist

27. cosmicpanda

28. Meesh

29. The Crusher

30. Pac - Jon Snow, FBI Agent, Night's Watch - killed Night 1

31. Ape

32. Smash

 

So, we have like 28 people left? and only 8 or so of us doing the talking.

 

 

WWWwombat 69

PatsFanTX 57

John McClane 51

Christine 49

Nolder 44

The Crusher 38

鲍勃不是我的名字 24

amegakure 22

keyholder21 21

Thorum 18

aemonkristen 17

Red2111 17

Pac 16

Leelou 15

TinaHel 15

Razen 14

Amadine 13

Sakaea 12

trench 12

Ishmael Forsaken 12

Song of Ice and Fire 12

mmeeshal 11

dapianoplay3r 10

Graendals favourite 9

Perfexionist 9

Verbal32 9

cosmicpanda 8

Paperblade 8

Pale Merlot 7

bgrishinko 6

Vicious89x 6

Smash 5

Mr. Soy Boyo 5

Songstress 4

mcs0083 3

Levity 1

 

 

Smash concerns me, he hinted at having some sort of night action results before all night actions were in.

 

Vicious is someone we shouldn't sleep on, bgrish too... and Verbal and his "golly gee" statement about killing roles because the backup faction leader had a vest. Its a 32 person game, of course there is going to be a lot of death.

[Leelou]

Ok, I believe one point Christine is making. I have no clue who is in my faction and I do belong to a faction - not cult and not unaligned survivor. The rest, I'm not so sure if I'm buying. I've had a massive migraine all day yesterday and really need to go reread through the current day so far before voting. I don't think I'm going to have time before work, so I'll try to do it sometime this afternoon.

 

 

Hi.

 

I give you banana, make you feel better?

 

Hi.

 

Yes, please.

[John McClane]

vote Ape

 

You are all over the place. Why are you so jumpy bro?

 

 

Bull.

 

I've been entirely consistent in my position. Bandwagon vote that isn't even rooted in something close to truthful. If we don't go with Christine, then you are my next vote.

 

Didn't you say the same thing to Amega? That backup vote is starting to jump around, eh?

 

Yeah, this is totally out of character for me to reshuffle my top 3 in real time...

[John McClane]

Ok, I believe one point Christine is making. I have no clue who is in my faction and I do belong to a faction - not cult and not unaligned survivor. The rest, I'm not so sure if I'm buying. I've had a massive migraine all day yesterday and really need to go reread through the current day so far before voting. I don't think I'm going to have time before work, so I'll try to do it sometime this afternoon.

 

 

Hi.

 

I give you banana, make you feel better?

 

Hi.

 

Yes, please.

 

 

*zzzziiippppppp*

 

You asked for it. :)

[J.W.]

you're running everyone in circles Christine

look at this

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I am neither cult nor faction leader. And, I cannot reveal. If I do so, it would pretty much hurt this game. But, more on that in a bit.

here you act as though you know exactly what would hurt and how

and note the underline where you keep stringing people along as though you're going to reveal something

 

Alright, let me specify. I can tell you who my character is. I can tell you what my House is. I will not do that. That is my secret to keep. It is my ability that I cannot reveal. To do so would pretty much put both me and a lot of people on my team, whoever they are, at risk. More on this in a moment though.

same as above

you know that it will put you and your team at risk huh?

and you'll tell us in a moment?

 

Anyways, here is the details about my Role: I was told in my Role PM that should I reveal myself, that something will happen. Some could consider it a punishment, others consider it something good for me. Either way, I consider it more of a punishment. And it punishes others too.

Ooooh! Something eh? Sounds... ambiguous

it might be good for you but it might be bad? and it might be bad for "others" oh so it's not just your team? and it's not just you?

so is it everyone?

funny how you led us on to believe you'd clarify yourself "in a moment" only to tell us nothing at all

 

You don't want me to reveal, and I will push off revealing as best I can, but just realize that continuing on this path will get you no where. Heed my warning, but if this continues, then you will have all wasted a day.

obviously it will get us no where if you aren't going to tell us anything

 

Don't believe me? Let me live through this day, and we will see what happens after the night phase. I have a feeling my role will be revealed in the morning.

you have a feeling?

what gave you that feeling? you said Wombat never responded to you

 

I can't really tell you what the punishment is without telling you the role. The best I can describe it doesn't really make sense. It's just better to say that this is a pointless path that everyone is rolling down.

so you can tell us your character (but you wont) but you can't tell us your role?

but wait...you can tell us your role right? it's just that something "bad" will happen...to you? to your team? to everyone? if you do

 

John, I am not a strong lynch candidate. I have already said that I have no offensive abilities, only defensive. I AM NOT CULT. Been screaming that since the beginning.

a defensive ability eh? and this is triggered how exactly?

 

Nolder, not baiting a lynch. Just trying to get y'all off this train before the day is entirely wasted. I will reveal before I am lynched, and then all of you will feel like idiots for this day phase.

Oh! so you WILL reveal eh?

better get that fakeclaim ready...

 

It would be bad for most everyone, really. Bad for anyone on my house. Bad for anyone that agrees with me. Bad for anyone that I think should die. It's just bad all around, really.

mmmmhmm

how is it bad again?

oh wait we wont be able to understand right?

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how can you expect anyone to take you seriously?

 

 

Yeah all the "I can't reveal, you'll all jump off my train when I do, I'll be punished, yadda yadda"...almost sounds like a Jester. Or that's the wifom. But then she's got her faction piece. So maybe it's a bomb. But look at me and you pushing & nudging her train from a far LOL. I agree with the disgusting Ape on one thing though...any player that ever does this is almost always scum or has a NK role. But the set up is different so who knows. Anyway you slice it, she's thrown a bunch of shi...stuff at the wall hoping some of it sticks. I'll say this, if this was a more generic scum vs. town type game I'd already be voting her...fwiw.

[Nolder]

Given my house, I am guessing that there is backup Faction Leaders.

Houses likely to have Backup Leaders

 

so we have Arryn, Baratheon, Greyjoy, Lannister, Martell, Stark, Targaryen, Tully, and Tyrell

 

I think we can dismiss Stark since their back up was already killed

Baratheon would only really consist of Renly and Stannis so I would dismiss them as well

House Arryn consists of Lysa and her young son Robert, doubt they are even a faction

and the Targaryen's consist of 2-4 people depending on how you want to slice and dice it (Aemon likely counts as Nights Watch if he's in the game) so I'd probably put them in the same category as the Arryn's and Baratheon's UNLESS they are the cult and are recruiting to their cause to retake the 7 kingdoms

Tully is only 2-3 people if you don't count Lysa and Cat which it looks like we wont so take them out as well

 

so dismissing those houses that leaves us with Greyjoy, Lannister, and Martell

going off what I know about each of those houses someone who cannot be killed doesn't really fit unless you kind of stretch things and take events from the books like "a narrow escape" and chalk that up to the flavor justification for being unkillable

 

I think it's far more likely she's lying about something than that she's an unkillable Reek or an old sickly Doran Martell

 

That leaves House Lannister and House Tyrell. Both of whom are confirmed factions in this game. I wouldn't be surprised if she did end up being Tyrion (if she's a Lannister) or else either Loras or Margaery (sp?) (if she's a Tyrell).

what Lannister or Tyrell is unkillable?

like I said we can chalk it up to "narrow escapes" but many characters have had that

Cersei, Myrcella, Jaime, Tyrion, and Loras could all fit that description through one event or another

too many options makes me think it's not likely the right answer here therefore I don't think she's telling the truth

[aemonkristen]

Christine: Don't lynch me. I have a role, but I am not allowed to tell you what it is.

 

Everyone: WTF? The OP says we can claim our characters, roles and factions.

 

Christine: After consulting with the Mod, I can reveal my role, but it will cause something really bad to happen. Some people might think it is a good thing for me, but I see it as a punishment. Let me live one more night and all shall be revealed.

 

Everyone: WTF? Why would one more night prove anything?

 

Christine: I can't tell you what the punishment is because the way I can describe it doesn't make sense. It would be bad for anyone who I think should die.

 

Everyone: WTF?

 

Christine: Let the Tracker track me tonight and tell you who I visited. That will prove I have a defensive role.

 

Everyone: WTF? How does that prove anything?

 

Christine: Fine. I can't die.

 

Everyone: WTF? How is that bad for everyone?

 

Christine: There is more to my role. I might tell you later if you keep voting for me.

 

 

I'm calling BS on this. If she is a tree stump she only gains immunity by claiming the role at which point she pretty much becomes an observer in the game since she will no longer be able to vote. definition here. If that is the case, I say lynch her now or let her claim tree stump and be done with it. Frankly, she has changed her mind about her role so many times already that I don't trust a word out of her mouth. She is obviously floundering and trying to worm her way out of being lynched by claiming anything that might make people back off. It is also interesting to note that those that have claimed on thread to not know their faction members have removed their votes from Christine. Perhaps they think that she is a part of their faction. I think there may be more than one faction whose members are not aware of each other and she is reaping the benefits of that confusion. My vote stays where it is. I do not see any way that Christine will help the game by being unkillable and I want to put that ridiculous claim to the test. My guess is that she is either tre stump or bullet proof, hence the reason she wanted to draw an NK instead of face a lynch.

[Leelou]

 

*zzzziiippppppp*

 

You asked for it. :)

 

Yeah...I figured as much coming from you. :p

[Leelou]

Christine: Don't lynch me. I have a role, but I am not allowed to tell you what it is.

 

Everyone: WTF? The OP says we can claim our characters, roles and factions.

 

Christine: After consulting with the Mod, I can reveal my role, but it will cause something really bad to happen. Some people might think it is a good thing for me, but I see it as a punishment. Let me live one more night and all shall be revealed.

 

Everyone: WTF? Why would one more night prove anything?

 

Christine: I can't tell you what the punishment is because the way I can describe it doesn't make sense. It would be bad for anyone who I think should die.

 

Everyone: WTF?

 

Christine: Let the Tracker track me tonight and tell you who I visited. That will prove I have a defensive role.

 

Everyone: WTF? How does that prove anything?

 

Christine: Fine. I can't die.

 

Everyone: WTF? How is that bad for everyone?

 

Christine: There is more to my role. I might tell you later if you keep voting for me.

 

 

I'm calling BS on this. If she is a tree stump she only gains immunity by claiming the role at which point she pretty much becomes an observer in the game since she will no longer be able to vote. definition here. If that is the case, I say lynch her now or let her claim tree stump and be done with it. Frankly, she has changed her mind about her role so many times already that I don't trust a word out of her mouth. She is obviously floundering and trying to worm her way out of being lynched by claiming anything that might make people back off. It is also interesting to note that those that have claimed on thread to not know their faction members have removed their votes from Christine. Perhaps they think that she is a part of their faction. I think there may be more than one faction whose members are not aware of each other and she is reaping the benefits of that confusion. My vote stays where it is. I do not see any way that Christine will help the game by being unkillable and I want to put that ridiculous claim to the test. My guess is that she is either tre stump or bullet proof, hence the reason she wanted to draw an NK instead of face a lynch.

 

Bolded mine.

 

I claimed to not know my faction members and have since voted Christine.

[Christine]

Tree Stump.

 

And now, I cannot vote. Thanks.

 

Was trying to attract a kill during the night, and hoping that someone was watching me and would see who was out there killing. Good job, people. That is your punishment. Let's all continue with having three kills a night. At least if someone had been watching me, we had a chance of taking out a killer.

[Christine]

Can you all stop posting for one minute?

 

I go to get a drink of water and come back to close the screen, only to see that someone else has posted, and now I have to reply before I go to sleep. Let's look at the houses for a moment, eh?

 

 

Also, Spoilers.

 

 

Arryn - Totes not in this game. Lysa is nuts and Robin is sickly. Littlefinger isn't really house Arryn.

 

Baratheon - aka King in the Narrow Sea - Forget Renly. We don't have space for him. Unless he is the Cult... Anyways, Cersei's Brats count as Lannisters, so this leaves House Baratheon with Sannis. He likely has to destroy Stark, Greyjoy, and Lannister, and maybe the Night's Watch? And, cult. Sannis's group would be he, Melisandre, and maybe Davos? That's an iffy group right there.

 

Renly? - Cult?

 

Greyjoy - guessing Balon, Aeron, Asha, and Theon. Throwing Euron in there would make it so that the faction itself has turmoil. But, there is also issues between Asha and Theon, and Balon and Theon. So, maybe no Theon in this game. The question is, who would be Balon's back up faction leader? Victarion is likely not in this either, once again, turmoil. They probably win when they eliminate... well... everyone else? Stupid Iron Islands.

 

Lannister - I am going to guess that Cersei's brats are included in this faction. So, I would say that there is Tywin, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Joffrey, and Tommen. Tywin is likely not in this game due to so many characters, but the Faction leader is likely Joffrey, followed by Tommen, given their stake on the throne. Kind of iffy, though, given that Tywin is head of the family. Which is more important, the Iron Throne, or Casterly Rock? They likely win if all threats to the throne are destroyed... Stannis, Greyjoy, Stark, and Targaryan.

 

Martell - Not thinking they are in this game. There is no mention of them on the first page, and throwing them in there would be a whole nother bundle of wtf crazy. Would probably have to destroy the Lannisters and the Targarans to be victorious. I will revisit possibilities of them if we stumble across any.

 

Stark - Ned, Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Bran, Arya, Rickon - Ned may or may not be in this game, but the game starts after Robert's death, not after Ned's beheading. Robb is his heir, so why was Rickon the Backup, especially before Bran? Leads me to think that either all of the boys are backup faction leaders, or only a few are in the game.

 

Targaryen - Honestly thinking that this is the Cult. It makes sense because Dany is freeing the slaves, therefore the Cult Leader would be picking up the unaligned survivors. So, Cult = Targaryen? Betting they win if Stannis and the Lannisters are dead.

 

Tully - Probably not in this game, given that they are alligned with the Starks.

 

Tyrell - AKA Highgarden - I am betting that there is four members of this house in the game. Mace(Faction Leader), Olenna (Queen of Thorns/Mace's wife), Loras (Knight of Flowers), and Margaery (Joffrey and later Tommen's Queen). Their most likely enemies are the Lannisters and the Cult.

 

 

 

Night's Watch - Likely just Samwell Tarley and maybe Benjen Stark still alive? Probably not going to make it through this game with two people dead.

 

 

Side note, the Spider? He could be Cult as well. Is he in this game? He wasn't listed on the first page.

 

 

Possible Cult: The Spider. Renly. House Targaryen. Dorne

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Don't know what to make of Christine's reveal but would prefer to put it to the test. Just do not like putting off today what needs to get done eventually. Especially with the existence of a cult.

 

At this point I do not see any reason to move my vote.

[J.W.]

 

*zzzziiippppppp*

 

You asked for it. :)

 

Yeah...I figured as much coming from you. :p

 

Ha! You guys need rep over here.

 

So anyway let's stop delaying the inevitable. UNVOTE VOTE Christine

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

ninjad

[Christine]

Christine's Vote Count:

 

Ape - 3 - amegakure, Thorum, Paperblade

Razen - 1 - Amadine

 

Not Voting: BG, ASOIF Song, Nolder, Verbal, Aemon, Razen, Leelou, Vicious, Sakaea, Keyholder, PatsFanTX, Ishy, Songstress, Piano, trench, Pale, Not Bob, Perf, Cosmic, Meesh, Crusher, Ape, Smash

 

With 28 voting players, it takes 15 to lynch.

 

Deadline : Wednesday, February 22 at 9 PM EST

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Can we get a new vote count please?

[Christine]

And now, I am going to bed. I have claimed Tree Stump, and according to Wombat, that means I cannot die. Congrats. Now go bother someone else. I recommend the inactives, Nolder, and Ape. Can't really vote, but you can be damn sure my two cents will be thrown in.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

An official one.

[The Crusher]

Ok, I believe one point Christine is making. I have no clue who is in my faction and I do belong to a faction - not cult and not unaligned survivor. The rest, I'm not so sure if I'm buying. I've had a massive migraine all day yesterday and really need to go reread through the current day so far before voting. I don't think I'm going to have time before work, so I'll try to do it sometime this afternoon.

 

 

Hi.

 

I give you banana, make you feel better?

 

Hi.

 

Yes, please.

 

 

*zzzziiippppppp*

 

You asked for it. :)

 

 

So monkey has a bag pack full of banana's, if they where banana splits I would be impressed.

[J.W.]

ninjad

*karate chop haiiii yAAh!!!*

[J.W.]

And now, I am going to bed. I have claimed Tree Stump, and according to Wombat, that means I cannot die. Congrats. Now go bother someone else. I recommend the inactives, Nolder, and Ape. Can't really vote, but you can be damn sure my two cents will be thrown in.

 

So your Faction wins automatically? Almost like the Pats and the AFC East. Well then, Congrats!!!

[Nolder]

Arryn - Totes not in this game. Lysa is nuts and Robin is sickly. Littlefinger isn't really house Arryn.

Arryn wouldn't be in this game but Renly the cultist would?

whaaaat?

I mean I agree that I don't think the Arryns will have a part to play but it's very strange that you'd consider Stannis part of "team Baratheon" but NOT Renly (thus splitting the house and making it even smaller) but you'd discount the Arryns based on size?

just weird man

 

Baratheon - aka King in the Narrow Sea - Forget Renly. We don't have space for him. Unless he is the Cult... Anyways, Cersei's Brats count as Lannisters, so this leaves House Baratheon with Sannis. He likely has to destroy Stark, Greyjoy, and Lannister, and maybe the Night's Watch? And, cult. Sannis's group would be he, Melisandre, and maybe Davos? That's an iffy group right there.

 

Renly? - Cult?

I think I covered this pretty well above but seriously why are you putting Renly off of house Baratheon?

 

Greyjoy - guessing Balon, Aeron, Asha, and Theon. Throwing Euron in there would make it so that the faction itself has turmoil. But, there is also issues between Asha and Theon, and Balon and Theon. So, maybe no Theon in this game. The question is, who would be Balon's back up faction leader? Victarion is likely not in this either, once again, turmoil. They probably win when they eliminate... well... everyone else? Stupid Iron Islands.

eh? why wouldn't Victarion Greyjoy be on team Greyjoy? you're really losing me here...

 

Lannister - I am going to guess that Cersei's brats are included in this faction. So, I would say that there is Tywin, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Joffrey, and Tommen. Tywin is likely not in this game due to so many characters, but the Faction leader is likely Joffrey, followed by Tommen, given their stake on the throne. Kind of iffy, though, given that Tywin is head of the family. Which is more important, the Iron Throne, or Casterly Rock? They likely win if all threats to the throne are destroyed... Stannis, Greyjoy, Stark, and Targaryan.

I agree with this for the most part although I think Myrcella and Kevan are also probable additions to the house

possible that it's an either one or the other situation

 

Martell - Not thinking they are in this game. There is no mention of them on the first page, and throwing them in there would be a whole nother bundle of wtf crazy. Would probably have to destroy the Lannisters and the Targarans to be victorious. I will revisit possibilities of them if we stumble across any.

based on what we know I don't think it seems like houses are predetermined enemies in reflection of the books

I think that depends on who is on the lynch trains and such

 

Stark - Ned, Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Bran, Arya, Rickon - Ned may or may not be in this game, but the game starts after Robert's death, not after Ned's beheading. Robb is his heir, so why was Rickon the Backup, especially before Bran? Leads me to think that either all of the boys are backup faction leaders, or only a few are in the game.

hmmm

good point

dunno about them all being backups but Rickon being the backup WAS odd so who knows

 

Targaryen - Honestly thinking that this is the Cult. It makes sense because Dany is freeing the slaves, therefore the Cult Leader would be picking up the unaligned survivors. So, Cult = Targaryen? Betting they win if Stannis and the Lannisters are dead.

yeah Targaryen might be cult but like I said before I doubt they are predetermined to be against anyone specific if so (although if they ARE cult they're against everyone anyway so that's kind of irrelevant eh?)

 

Tully - Probably not in this game, given that they are alligned with the Starks.

agreed

 

Tyrell - AKA Highgarden - I am betting that there is four members of this house in the game. Mace(Faction Leader), Olenna (Queen of Thorns/Mace's wife), Loras (Knight of Flowers), and Margaery (Joffrey and later Tommen's Queen). Their most likely enemies are the Lannisters and the Cult.

agreed on likely characters in the faction

again disagreeing with the predetermined enemy stuff

 

Night's Watch - Likely just Samwell Tarley and maybe Benjen Stark still alive? Probably not going to make it through this game with two people dead.

what about Lord Mormont? Dolorous Edd? Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun?

Nights Watch likely has more than two more members

 

Side note, the Spider? He could be Cult as well. Is he in this game? He wasn't listed on the first page.

uhh.....

 

yes?

[John McClane]

Tree Stump.

 

And now, I cannot vote. Thanks.

 

Was trying to attract a kill during the night, and hoping that someone was watching me and would see who was out there killing. Good job, people. That is your punishment. Let's all continue with having three kills a night. At least if someone had been watching me, we had a chance of taking out a killer.

 

 

Mock outrage fail.

 

Actually, you suggested that someone track you - which means we would have had someone see you either visit, or not visit someone else. It would have in no way helped us catch a killing role.

 

AND... if the scum team (if there even is a scum team proper) has a watcher, they would have targeted you - and probably seen a tracker, or any other investigative role, visit you.

 

Also, losing you as a voter at this stage really isn't as dire as you are trying to make it out to be. Look at all the inactives, their votes aren't helpful either.

[John McClane]

And now, I am going to bed. I have claimed Tree Stump, and according to Wombat, that means I cannot die. Congrats. Now go bother someone else. I recommend the inactives, Nolder, and Ape. Can't really vote, but you can be damn sure my two cents will be thrown in.

 

So your Faction wins automatically? Almost like the Pats and the AFC East. Well then, Congrats!!!

 

 

Good point. Unkillable faction member, means that faction can't lose. Defeats the point of the game.