30 replies to this topic

[Sakaea]

I'd support it also. I miss Paet and Cindy both

[Talmanes]

Look guys, we are past the petitioning stage. Paet has received a permanent ban, and is not going to be coming back anytime soon at this point. Any change to that will come from him and the Admins working something out, which is not something that will be swayed by any petition or protest.

As for Cindy, she has made the personal choice to stop posting here. She may or may not start posting here again in the future, but that is up to her.

If you guys have any questions about that, Kivam will do his best to answer them for you if you PM him.

[Talmanes]

Also Cindy wanted to let me know that if you would like to contacted her, you can either email her through her profile, or PM her.

You can always ask me if you have any questions as well, and I will do my best to answer them, or refer you to the person who can.

Edited by Talmanes, 08 February 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[Aiel Heart]

So nothing we can do can help?

[Smiley73]

Nothing at all? so what's done is done and we have to live two less than before? Will no petition help? Can we get a clear play-by-play breakdown of the why's and where's? Can we petition to institute a ban reviewing system instead? To stop this from having to happen to another group of people down the line?

I don't want to lose two good contributors to DM, obviously the mods and admins didn't like the way Cindy and Paet protested.
I want to know why.
I require to know why.
I understand the need for mods but I also understand the need for fairness and transparency.

Talm, at the least, could you please contact the main mod(s) involved in the decision and ask them to write something short explaining why paet was banned, why cindy wasn't, hell if you can ask them why only Song was banned, because that's what started all this.

I'm prepared to champion this, but I want to know why the mods got angry last time, it's no use I fall the same way paet and cindy did

[Talmanes]

There was a Staff/Admin Discussion on the matter, and it ended with the Admins deciding not to repeal the ban on Paet. The reasoning was partially because of the fact that Paet has had run-ins with the rules before, and has been banned in the past, meaning he wouldn't get leniency, as was the case with Cindy, since she has not had the prior problems. If you would like to know more on that, you can ask Kivam or Verbal as I stated in my previous post.

Song was banned for inappropriate posting in a thread. She received a 3 day ban, where various other members received week long bans. She was not the only one banned, and received the lightest sentence.

Some sort of petition or protest like this is only going to cause problems, which is why I'm telling you not to do it. I already brought the matter to the Admins requesting a repeal, and the decision was that one would not be granted at this time.

Once again, feel free to ask Kivam or Verbal, or Cindy, if you have further questions.

[Smiley73]

Talmanes, on 09 February 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

There was a Staff/Admin Discussion on the matter, and it ended with the Admins deciding not to repeal the ban on Paet. The reasoning was partially because of the fact that Paet has had run-ins with the rules before, and has been banned in the past, meaning he wouldn't get leniency, as was the case with Cindy, since she has not had the prior problems. If you would like to know more on that, you can ask Kivam or Verbal as I stated in my previous post.

Song was banned for inappropriate posting in a thread. She received a 3 day ban, where various other members received week long bans. She was not the only one banned, and received the lightest sentence.

Some sort of petition or protest like this is only going to cause problems, which is why I'm telling you not to do it. I already brought the matter to the Admins requesting a repeal, and the decision was that one would not be granted at this time.

Once again, feel free to ask Kivam or Verbal, or Cindy, if you have further questions.

OK, good to clear up the Song thing.

What kind of problems would be caused, I am planning not to petition/protest for leniency here but to at least put a system in place for a little more transparency. Am I to be the next one banned for questioning a decision by people in charge, for disagreeing with authority, for missing the people that I spent so much time getting to know.

and might I remind you that this was all because of two people  putting FREE SONG!!! at the bottom of their posts. It offends no one. it disrespects no one. disagreeing with someone does not mean that disrespect come along with it. Take this very conversation. I disagree that there is nothing to be done, that doesn't mean I don't respect you or the position you, or any mod is in. All it is, is that I think you are wrong, but I can't reverse your decision alone, I need people behind me, people who care just as much.

Know what I want to know is whether I can get banned for expressing myself?

Let's try.

[PiotrekS]

Rawr

[Talmanes]

Smiley, there was more to the situation than that, and as I have told you multiple times now, if you have questions about the situation pertaining to the ban and protesting etc., you can ask Kivam, or Verbal.

You can take up any further thoughts you have here with them.

[Smiley73]

Talmanes, on 09 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Smiley, there was more to the situation than that, and as I have told you multiple times now, if you have questions about the situation pertaining to the ban and protesting etc., you can ask Kivam, or Verbal.

You can take up any further thoughts you have here with them.

Yes, OK, there is more to the situation I understand that, nothing is ever easy, things get complicated. I understand. I will ask Verbal for more about this prickly situation then.

Thank you for your time.

[Verbal32]

Smiley73, on 09 February 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

and might I remind you that this was all because of two people  putting FREE SONG!!! [color="#000000"]at the bottom of their posts

No.  This is not correct, and is what Talmanes has tried to explain.  What you are stating in your post is not the truth, and frankly is why we say the petitions and such will not work.  You have incomplete information, and that information is private to the specific parties involved.  Transparency is important, and that's why we have Staff boards.  Talmanes did an excellent job in explaining the situation.