Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

[Basel Gill]

After much debate, all eyes turned to Mynd. Despite his protests, the majority agreed. Hoof approached, and smashed him into a greasy smear. Moments after touching him, Hoof gasped, and keeled over

 

Mynd, Rogue, Town Absorber, has been lynched.

 

Hoof, Juggernaut, Mafia Killer has died.

 

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around these results. Mynd was town, and hoof was scum. What is a rogue? That apparently isn't listed on the wiki. "Juggernaut" redirects to "Strongman". I've noticed that while I will occasionally get a redirect when looking something up, there could be some mentions of alternative terms for the same thing on the pages themselves.

 

 

he always dies first every game. I feel bad for him ):

 

Hoof managed to not get lynched D1 and still got deaded. Only Hoof could accomplish such a thing.

 

So, Hoof is the DM Mafia equivalent of a Star Trek security crewman?

[Songstress]

After much debate, all eyes turned to Mynd. Despite his protests, the majority agreed. Hoof approached, and smashed him into a greasy smear. Moments after touching him, Hoof gasped, and keeled over

 

Mynd, Rogue, Town Absorber, has been lynched.

 

Hoof, Juggernaut, Mafia Killer has died.

 

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around these results. Mynd was town, and hoof was scum. What is a rogue? That apparently isn't listed on the wiki. "Juggernaut" redirects to "Strongman". I've noticed that while I will occasionally get a redirect when looking something up, there could be some mentions of alternative terms for the same thing on the pages themselves.

 

I believe Rogue and Juggernaut were their X-men characters, not related to the role they played in the game.

 

he always dies first every game. I feel bad for him ):

 

Hoof managed to not get lynched D1 and still got deaded. Only Hoof could accomplish such a thing.

 

So, Hoof is the DM Mafia equivalent of a Star Trek security crewman?

 

*peers closely*

 

Yep, wearing a red shirt. Shoulda known.

[Basel Gill]

I believe Rogue and Juggernaut were their X-men characters, not related to the role they played in the game.

 

*facepalm* I realized that about 15 minutes after I logged out. This is what I get for posting right after I get up.

[Levity]

Guys, I am at the coffeehouse at eight in the morning and life is good <3

 

Do you guys think that 'killer' might be simply another name for a generic mafia goon, or?

[aemonkristen]

Hard to say since there was a bomb. In a basic game, the mafia would only have the power to kill and no other special abilities. I was proven wrong about the bomb, though, so I am starting to think this may actually be an advanced game where the majority (but not all players) have a power.

[Levity]

I guess we'll just have to see as the game progresses.

[Turin Turambar]

LMAO at Hoof in the Red Shirt. And a very funny Bah post Hoof.

 

I am guessing it is somewhere in the middle. maybe just a smidge more than the regular basic game. Everyone gets a big fat PAFO I wager.

[Levity]

PAFO?

[aemonkristen]

Play And Find Out

[Levity]

ohhh! Thanks! I was wondering what that meant for a while. I saw it somewhere else but completely forgot.

[Basel Gill]

Actually, I bet you saw it in the signups for this game, cause I asked about it then.

[Sakaea]

You have 29 hours from this post to get your NAs in!

[Basel Gill]

Hoof's strategy here seems to be a bit wonky. Since he is scum, he knows who is on what team. It doesn't seem to make much sense for him to place the hammer on someone who might wind up killing him as well when there is another townie who is close to lynching. If he votes me, then there's a 6-6 tie with Levity still not voting. And let's remember that at this point, Turin has offered to unvote Mynd and then revote, making a noble sacrifice if Mynd's claim is true. Hoof knows both Mynd and I are town. Why doesn't he either go for the lynch that doesn't result in his potential death and revealment as scum, or manipulate someone else into hammering Mynd?

 

The preceding argument is, like my case regarding Ishy earlier, based upon the given that I am town. I know this but no one else does. Maybe a Cop, if we have one, will check into me. However, Hoof's vote doesn't even make much sense with scum-Basel. Assuming me to be scum, he would be protecting me and wiping out a townie. But once again, he has no way of knowing if Mynd's power claim is true. Which brings us back to the second issue in the case of town-Basel. Why take the risk of hammering Mynd and dying in the process? There are two others who could be talked into being the final vote, including one who is willing to take the risk. Scum are outnumbered enough that a 1-for-1 trade like we had is bad for them. And I got enough votes that assuming scum-Basel is true, any reprieve Hoof bought me wouldn't last for long. Which leads me to the only reasoning I can come up with for either scum-Basel or town-Basel that would explain Hoofy's move here. Hoofy was protecting a scum, and it isn't me. (And oh yeah, I'm not scum.) He was trying to preserve a townie lynching without risking a scum who hasn't yet been suspected (at least not much).

 

Who was Hoofy protecting here? The first names that come to mind for me are Turin and Levity, due to the voting situation I already outlined. I don't think I've seen any posts from either of them that reek of scum. I think Turin is more likely town, because scum-Turin wouldn't have made the offer to unvote and then be the hammer. Why not? Same reasons as Hoof shouldn't have: hammering Mynd is maybe lethal, for all anyone knew at this stage. (Keep in mind I'm only taking into account what people knew at the time, not what we know now.) If Levity is town, there's no way of scum knowing which way she would vote. She can't be a sure vote on Mynd. I've never met or heard of Levity before this game, so I don't have much of a read on her Meta to know either way. Maybe it's neither of them. Maybe it's someone we've considered and backed off from after only giving them one or two votes. Any thoughts on this?

[aemonkristen]

@Basel- 1) he hammered because there isnt supposed to be a bomb in a basic game. 2) you post looks like this: bla bla bla I'm town bla bla bla I'm town bla bla bla. It looks like the only reason for this post was to protest your innocence rather than actually add to the color I've knowledge. After a reread I found several places in the begining of the day where hoof seemed to be protecting Nolder (not doing quotes right now cause I'm on my phone). One of the first instances was when Nolder put a second vote on someone and Mynd called him on it. Hoof jumped into the fray to FOS Mynd in return. Later in the day Hoof and Nolder got into it a little, but no matter how much they screamed scum at each other neither one voted for the other. I still strongly suspect Nolder.

[Nolder]

@Basel- 1) he hammered because there isnt supposed to be a bomb in a basic game.

not true!

 

After a reread I found several places in the begining of the day where hoof seemed to be protecting Nolder (not doing quotes right now cause I'm on my phone).

oh?

I'd be very interested to see those quotes when you get around to it as I didn't notice that myself

granted it ain't called tunnel vision for nothing

 

One of the first instances was when Nolder put a second vote on someone and Mynd called him on it. Hoof jumped into the fray to FOS Mynd in return.

I don't see how that has anything to do with me

 

Later in the day Hoof and Nolder got into it a little, but no matter how much they screamed scum at each other neither one voted for the other. I still strongly suspect Nolder.

I don't remember screaming at him...

I do remember FOSing him though

I was even thinking about voting him and I asked BG about it but he never commented on that and I got distracted by other stuff on the internet

 

anyway if you suspect me it only makes sense to try to draw strings from me to Hoof although imo I think they're rather weak ones (maybe the quotes will make more sense?)

so yeah I don't really blame you but I'm not going to argue about it with you either

[Basel Gill]

@Basel- 1) he hammered because there isnt supposed to be a bomb in a basic game.

There isn't supposed to be. It's been noted on this thread quite a bit how the concept of basic has been stretched in DM games considerably. The other game I'm curretnly in has had some variations which I wouldn't call basic, although they have been interesting. I don't see how there would be anything wrong with Hoof being more careful of a bomb or an absorber than he actually was.

 

2) you post looks like this: bla bla bla I'm town bla bla bla I'm town bla bla bla. It looks like the only reason for this post was to protest your innocence

Are you for real here? I just spent three paragraphs analyzing the day's deaths (and much of my workday pondering about it before I made that post), and all you can focus on is that I mentioned I'm town? Have you considered that maybe I mentioned it because it was relevant to my reading of the situation? Hoof was revealed as scum, therefore we know he was fully aware of who was scum and who was town, including myself. The facts he had available to him would be important in figuring out what he was trying to accomplish, and who he wanted to protect.

rather than actually add to the color I've knowledge.

Going by your listed location and your phrasing, I'm assuming you aren't a native English speaker. I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're trying to say here.

 

After a reread I found several places in the begining of the day where hoof seemed to be protecting Nolder (not doing quotes right now cause I'm on my phone). One of the first instances was when Nolder put a second vote on someone and Mynd called him on it. Hoof jumped into the fray to FOS Mynd in return. Later in the day Hoof and Nolder got into it a little, but no matter how much they screamed scum at each other neither one voted for the other. I still strongly suspect Nolder.

 

Nolder was also on my list of possibilities, but I wanted to take the time to examine his posts (and Hoof's) more closely before I brought his name into it. I also wanted to see who gets the NK.

 

I was even thinking about voting him and I asked BG about it but he never commented on that and I got distracted by other stuff on the internet

 

The internet does have a tendency to do that.

[Basel Gill]

Note to self: bright red text for replying inside a quote is a bad idea.

[Songstress]

 

I was even thinking about voting him and I asked BG about it but he never commented on that and I got distracted by other stuff on the internet

 

The internet does have a tendency to do that.

 

Oooh, shiny!

 

Will also be re-reading shortly to re-interpret peoples' interactions based on what we now know, but I do want to see what happens tonight first. Also, sleep. Because yeah. Waiting to see who would kill whom and whether Mynd was actually telling the truth, and all, was too fascinating to stop refreshing the page. Four hours of sleep before work, not so useful.

[aemonkristen]

Actually, English is my first language. That was autocomplete fail from my iphone. I have no idea what I was trying to say with that, either.

[aemonkristen]

Incoming WoT on my casing of Nolder. You have been warned.

 

i do not think Turin meant any hard with his comment, he was merely teasing me for my infamous Day 1 reputation heh.

 

vote nolder for tryoing to get Turin lynched for such an innoculous thing

 

Votes Nolder out of the gate. We all know that this is a common tactic with scum to try and distance themselves, but this is not always the case. I am filing this as worth noting, but essentially a null tell without further connections.

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Nolder

 

I am always suspicious of the first player who brings a player to 2 votes on Day 1, with all its supposed randomness and so forth, sneaking in like a mouse peeing on cotton and so forth. Especially going after one who has claimed to be Mon Ami!

 

 

FOS@Mynd: why always suspicious of the first player to bring someone to 2 votes? seems a bit arbitrary.

 

Jumps to Nolder's defense after Mynd calls him out for placing the second vote on Red.

 

 

indeed.

 

vote mynd for starting a bandwagon. MUCH more suspicious than putting someone on 2 votes.

 

Attacks Mynd for placing a third vote, effectively removing his vote from Nolder. Still a null tell, but looking a bit more suspicious.

 

indeed.

 

vote mynd for starting a bandwagon. MUCH more suspicious than putting someone on 2 votes.

 

I gave my reasons - and you should be careful putting your vote on little ol' me.

 

oooh!

 

I'm trembling in my custom baby seal-leather boots!

 

1st don't skim. in my first post i casted two votes, both legit; so right there your reason is faulty.

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

2. Voting for someone not in the game is not a valid vote and obviously wont be counted

 

true.

 

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

so why don't you do everyone, including yourself, a favor and tell us if you were trying to role hint Gambit or not

 

Pushing for her roleclaim while you are the lead lynch? Where are your manners?

 

hardly pushing for a roleclaim mynd, merely asking for clarification that she WASNT.

 

hinting is generally not ok with me

and since we're talking about role hinting I see even less harm in Red clarifying whether or not she was in fact claiming Gambit as there are many possible roles one could give Gambit

 

precisely. Nolder wasnt asking IF she was gambit, but asking her to say if the is CLAIMING him.

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

clearly a different situation. You are pinging my scum-dar Basel....

 

 

*snip*

 

very impressive for your second game and very accurate too it would seem.

 

 

anywho, the last few pages have merely reinforced my opinion. Since i forgot to unvote last time, i shall do so now.

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

In this extremely long quote with his remarks inside, he defends Nolder's actions to Mynd, Red and Basel. This is also the first post that pinged e hard enough for me to cast a vote on Blackhoof.

 

 

Blackhoof's post pinger me hard. It's 90% defending Nolder, 9% a rip on Basel for a vote that he already explained was talked to about, and 1% making fun of Mynd for his not-so-veiled threat. Then he votes for Mynd. I don't buy it.

 

VOTE BLACKHOOF

 

well, i like responding to everything that i can, even if they are unrelated. i re-voted for mynd because his actions (not just the ones i quoted) have been making me ansty.

 

It's Deja Vu all over again....and again....and again.....

 

Speaking of Deja Vu, this post was about to be a vote Hoofy post, but I hesitate because don't we end up lynching Hoofy first in EVERY FRIGGEN GAME?! His post is like written by a dog in a park. "YEah, I think Nolder is a jerk and....SQUIRREL!!" and then votes me.

 

i never said nolder is a jerk..... i was merely responding to lots of different stuff, none of which had changed my opinion that you were the scummiest person in the game.

I'm leaning more towards Basel Gill right at the moment. His vote on Nolder was one of those convenient slip-past votes to get Nolder on the high lynch, but then he backtracks saying it was a joke vote. I don't think it was.

 

But the man with the same initials also pings me a bit. BG shows up only when Basel Gill votes him?

 

Nolder seems to actually be doing some scum-hunting. Now before you do the...well, Myndrunner thing and start hollering "WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING NOLDER?!" look at it this way. Nolder is sticking his scruffy neck out and doing actual casing, while there are a lot of us who are sitting back and reacting. So, I don't see us gaining anything by his lynch and I don't see him as mafia.

 

Red may not be Gambit. If she was, there really is no harm in revealing as such since there are bigger Howletts to fry in this game, I can imagine. I think a lot of us just wanna last through D1 so we can use are awesome (and in some cases REALLY awesome) powers.

 

its a basic game, how awesome can you get?

My vote stands on Basil Gill until a better option presents itself to me. Or I make it present itself. ;)

 

Defends Nolder hard in this post, going so far as to try and draw votes to Basel by bringing up a past vote from Basel on Nolder.

 

 

 

As this game is open to free communication... Was that a Rogue hint there? If so, I don't like how Turin threw that out on thread.

 

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Touch me and find out! ;)

 

Received this PM from BGrishinko just now, here is my response. I'm all for open communication in this game, especially when we wanna keep things from the scum; however, the nature of his question seems like he wants to do his rolefishing privately.

 

Also, he tosses a slam at Turin as well. Distancing himself from him already?

 

unvote

 

vote BG

 

this is what made you seem less scummy Mynd. BG is now, in my books, scummier than you. congratulations. have a cookie.

 

unvote

 

vote BG

I deleted the image of a cookie from this post in the interest of reducing the WoT as much as possible.

 

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

 

This is where Hoof and Nolder go on record as disagreeing with each other. Nolder claims that Hoof's vote was opportunistic and rushing to get the day over with, but explains that he would rather lynch Red because she might be able to talk her way out of a lynch. FoS without voting for it. Looks like distancing to me.

 

 

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

what do you expect on Day 1? a WoT case a page long? unfortunately on day 1 we must vote for the person we think is SCUMMIEST, not who we are 100% certain are scum. that is what I am doing

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

like mynd said, the mere act of using the free communication thing was not very scummy, it was the content that was scummy. in conjunction with BG's open lurkyness. i dont like lurkyness.....

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

 

what does it matter if he is good? he is either an asset or a threat, and if he is acting scummy, the chances of him actually beign a threat increase.

 

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

do you think i am.... compensating for something?

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

 

so your argument to defend BG is "no no hes a good player" and your argument agaisnt red is "yes, kill her, she is a good player!"....

 

seems like you are either distancing from an ally or trying to get a townie lynched.... either one is bad.

 

Again, Hoof throws an FoS at Nolder and explains exactly why he is scummy....but keeps his vote where it is. Looks like distancing to me.

 

 

you have a point about Mynd though

 

although I wonder if it's not some super gambit between THREE scum

that would be devious and something I can see the three of you cooking up

really taking advantage of the game mechanics eh?

if BG were scum and Mynd was town why wouldn't he just deny that he ever sent the PM and claim Mynd is trying to incriminate him?

maybe because the entire thing hinges on him admitting to it eh?

 

or maybe not

I do often get these crazy ideas for what the scum could be doing and it's usually far more complex and than what is actually happening

I'm not going to let myself get fixated on my crazy idea this game but I'll definitely watch to see how you three interact in the future

 

who is the third player?

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

you seem to be sarcastic..... but you might be serious..... very strange and scummy behavious, nolder.

 

replies in bold

 

Again with the FoS without a vote.

 

 

I'm about to go to sleep so I barely skimmed the new posts, will reply to them more thoroughly in the morning

 

I just wanted to say that I wasn't making fun of Red

not really sure what gave you that idea

 

 

well, the way you phrased that last bit was more extreme than your past badgering of red, and you never called for her lynch before. i thought you might be using sarcasm, but you just basically said you werent, so now i am confused.....

 

Situation suddenly defuses itself. Odd. Looks like they didn't want it to spillover into the next game day and cause one of them to get lynched.

 

@Nolder: i think the definition is very clear. the setups and roles are clear for all to see in the stickied "how to setup and mod a mafia game" thread, and if im not mistaken it reccommends for all players and/or mods to read it before hosting a game. (could be wrong on the last bit though)

 

sorry i havent been posting lately- i have been distracted with shcool starting and cant dedicate as much time as usual to mafia :(

 

anyway, recent events (including a PM I received) have convinced me of BG's innocence. Likewise, i am now VERY suspicious of Mynd. Basel's scumminess so far i am confident to write off as newbness. As for Mynd's claims of a non-basic power, i find them highly unlikely, as Sakaea knows very well the template for standard games and would most likely get told off for including advanced roles in a basic game.

 

Buuuuuut.....

 

im too scared to hammer mynd :(

 

on one hand, i dont want to die, on the other, i want mynd to die since he is scummy, and his claims are so unlikely.....

 

 

Sakaea, i will modkill you in my game if i die now because you broke the setup rules ;)

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

Bold is mine. This post explains why I said that Hoof hammered because he thought the bomb was a bluff. This is listed as a basic game and the guidelines for DM do not include a bomb in a basic setup. I am interested to see what other variations have been introduced. Clearly I cannot continue considering this a basic game or we may lynch another townie through disbelief in the role they claim.

[Nolder]

that's a decent sized wall and I'm not in the mood to pick it apart right now (I'll do that later)

 

I'll just say for now that

1. I shouldn't be held responsible for Hoofs plays, that makes no sense whatsoever. A mafia can buddy up to a townie just as easily as a teammate.

2. I can't really defend myself about the distancing thing. I still thought I could convince people to vote off Red and I wanted to give Hoof the benefit of the doubt. All I can really say is I was considering voting him not too long before Mynd was hammered and mentioned it to BG. You can take that as more distancing if you want though, like I said that's not really something I can defend myself against. You see what you want to see there you know? Although I will point out that it doesn't make much sense for us to buddy and then distance each other. That is very inconsistent play if we're teammates don't you think?

 

anyway I'll respond properly tomorrow

[Levity]

You know, Mynd did 'distance' from Hoof at one point, too, albeit for a different reason, but.

 

I'd say more but I can't think straight at the moment; I'll more thoroughly exam the walls of text in the morning.

[Red2111]

not much to say other than i'm surpirsed Mynd flipped town, but am glad he nailed us a scum and i need to do a re-read to examine all the new info.

 

 

right now, i feel like my head is floating 2 feet above my shoulders because of this damned hay fever and i have work i need to do. i'll post more after i do my re-read if i'm feelign well enough to do so over the weekand.

[Sakaea]

Day dawns. You all look around, surprised to see that no one is missing. What could have gone on during the night, you all wonder?

 

It is now Day 2. Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=02&day=13&hour=11&min=00&sec=00&p0=234

 

Deadline extended to Monday.

[bgrishinko]

Interesting. Good enough for me.

 

I'm going to pick up where I left off yesterday.

 

Vote Basel Gill