Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

[Myndrunner]

well...not really

I think it would be helpful for everyone involved if she could clarify whether she was hinting at Gambit or not

if she wasn't I'm not asking her to claim

 

I would rather she clarify the claim if she was close to a lynch, but right now I'm not sure we should push for her reveal, sugar, because then we would reveal everyone.

[Levity]

That sounds to me more like he was asking for clarification rather than fishing (although I might have missed something anyhow, I'm not very familiar with the X-Men franchise so I might be a little lost when it comes to character hinting). Red already seems to have answered the question, so...

 

Does it really matter whether or not she is Gambit, though? I mean, even if she were role-hinting the character, does that really mean much anyhow?

 

Oh, wait, now I see where Nolder is being forceful.

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

so why don't you do everyone, including yourself, a favor and tell us if you were trying to role hint Gambit or not

That's kind of odd, didn't she already answer your question before? It seems like you might be on a wild goose chase, anyhow, Nolder. You act as if this is incredibly vital for you to know.

 

not random at all

 

allow me to explain

 

I voted Red for three reasons

 

1. Her unnecessary role hinting (I don't believe she actually claimed gambit did she?)

2. Distracting the town with lighthearted spamming

3. Meta

 

the third reason is really the most important here

Red likes to have her vote on someone at all times usually

even if it's herself

when Red comes into a game late she does a WoT and replies to every little thing she perceives as scummy

she did her WoT but it was all spam this time

and she hadn't voted anyone

this isn't how Red normally plays, she's being oddly cautious

so what did I do? I voted her without explaining anything just to see what she (and others) would do

her prompt OMGUS is all I needed to see to seal the deal

if Red was town I think she still would have OMGUS'd but I think she'd also be concerned about why I had voted her and would ask about it

she didn't and that's why I think she's scum

 

1st don't skim. in my first post i casted two votes, both legit; so right there your reason is faulty.

 

2nd, spamming isnt' exactly playing cautious. if i was scared of pressure then i'd be lurking

 

3rd, i did both of those, by OMGUS voting you i knew it would get you to explain your vote.

 

all i'm goign to say is that Metaing me will bite you in the rump Nol. but if you want to role that that, go ahead and bark up my tree. i'm ready to move past the D1 silliness anyways.

 

 

still Gambit is FTW and PWNS all others!!

There are a couple of things I agree with here.

 

1. 'Spamming' though keeping yourself in the open anyhow is still a fair risk. Deliberately keeping one's self under the radar is a much stronger ping in my opinion, which it seems Red has been doing the contrary and I'm even seeing more of her than I have in some previous games (this actually could be a ping in and of itself--scum want to look active and useful as well, or at least heavily immersed/involved with the game). Spamming content-less posts only becomes more suspicious and something to keep an eye on much further into the game, when discussion is completely serious. Avoiding discussion is, of course, something to watch.

 

2. Meta'ing in this regard can help and hurt. Playstyles do change slightly when people switch between factions, but relying entirely on this may impair judgement in the end. I would say Red may or may not be worth looking out for, and her reaction to Nolder's vote did concern me a teeny bit, but my point is that we shouldn't try to rely so much on meta so much and so soon.

 

Again, I'm not seeing why it is important whether or not Red is Gambit anyhow?

 

indeed.

 

vote mynd for starting a bandwagon. MUCH more suspicious than putting someone on 2 votes.

 

I gave my reasons - and you should be careful putting your vote on little ol' me.

 

Threats Mynd? Interesting.

 

VOTE MYND

Hehehe, this caught my attention now most of all. What gives, eh, Mynd? I'm not asking for clarification on this latter statement (after this point, it's merely me musing)--but I cannot tell whether or not you're breadcrumbing a retaliation role, a power role (so soon? would you really do that?), or this is WIFOM all over the place, or you are scum.

I'm content keeping my vote on you, really. I'll be daring, hee hee~!

[Levity]

Oh dear, I got ninja'd.

 

I'll get back to those extra posts in a moment; I have to run now, unfortunately.

[Nolder]

That's kind of odd, didn't she already answer your question before?

did she?

 

2. Meta'ing in this regard can help and hurt. Playstyles do change slightly when people switch between factions, but relying entirely on this may impair judgement in the end. I would say Red may or may not be worth looking out for, and her reaction to Nolder's vote did concern me a teeny bit, but my point is that we shouldn't try to rely so much on meta so much and so soon.

a fair point but it's kind of a big deal imo

this is something I've almost never seen from Red

heck I may not have actually ever seen Red not vote someone right off the bat and I must have played with her at least a half a dozen times now if not more

 

Again, I'm not seeing why it is important whether or not Red is Gambit anyhow?

ambiguity is the mafia's friend

it's like if someone breadcrumbs cop and is called on it and they just reply with something cryptic like "maaaybe" and then later when the real cop dies they can just say "well I didn't actually claim cop"

 

hinting is generally not ok with me

and since we're talking about role hinting I see even less harm in Red clarifying whether or not she was in fact claiming Gambit as there are many possible roles one could give Gambit

[Nolder]

well...not really

I think it would be helpful for everyone involved if she could clarify whether she was hinting at Gambit or not

if she wasn't I'm not asking her to claim

 

I would rather she clarify the claim if she was close to a lynch, but right now I'm not sure we should push for her reveal, sugar, because then we would reveal everyone.

fair enough

I wont push it again but if it's something we all end up regretting later I'm going to blame you personally for it

[Levity]

That's kind of odd, didn't she already answer your question before?

did she?

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

I saw this as a "no."

 

I suppose that's it for that conversation, though. I just had this idea in mind that maybe Nolder in particular was looking for whomever Gambit was or something, but this iiis a basic game, so...

[Turin Turambar]

Hey everyone.

 

Personally I don't think Red was trying to claim Gambit. It looked like she just wanted to express her appreciation for that character. I believe Red is from the region as her Team is the Saints and she uses the Geaux spelling and whatnot.

 

It did appear to me that Mynd may be a hinting at a particular character with a few of his word choices. Another southerner oddly enough.

 

As for if it is important who is which character. In this size game I think there are enough X-Men around that some will be left out of the game so it will not be like the PB game where there were more players than characters so it was hard to fake claim a character and left the mafia with few ways to hide in the end. I think there is a no mass reveal rule here anyway so that would not be any help.

[Nolder]

That's kind of odd, didn't she already answer your question before?

did she?

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

I saw this as a "no."

 

I suppose that's it for that conversation, though. I just had this idea in mind that maybe Nolder in particular was looking for whomever Gambit was or something, but this iiis a basic game, so...

that wasn't a clear "no" in my opinion

 

@Turin: I picked up on that as well

[Myndrunner]

1. Nolder

2. Songstress

3. BG

4. Red

5. Ama

6. Aemon

7. Ishy

8. Amega

9. Levity

10. Basel

11. Hoof

12. Mynd

13. Turin

 

Who haven't we heard much from in the list above? Aemon Kristen, where for art thou?

[Basel Gill]

 

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

[Myndrunner]

 

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

This strike me as a vote of convienence (take notes, Hoofy) that reeks of a bandwagon hopping. Nolder has been actively scumhunting and paying attention to the thread. As we are getting closer to deadline, these are the votes to look for from the scum to push a townie to lynch.

 

unvote

 

Vote Basel Gill

[aemonkristen]

1. Nolder

2. Songstress

3. BG

4. Red

5. Ama

6. Aemon

7. Ishy

8. Amega

9. Levity

10. Basel

11. Hoof

12. Mynd

13. Turin

 

Who haven't we heard much from in the list above? Aemon Kristen, where for art thou?

 

 

Looking for my lost kitten.

[Nolder]

 

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

who's to say she forgot?

this trick has been used by the mafia before

 

the FACT of the matter is that was not a valid vote

by all means hold it against her if you want to, that's none of my concern

but Sakaea wouldn't have counted it and neither would I

[Basel Gill]

 

who's to say she forgot?

this trick has been used by the mafia before

 

the FACT of the matter is that was not a valid vote

by all means hold it against her if you want to, that's none of my concern

but Sakaea wouldn't have counted it and neither would I

 

It doesn't matter if the vote gets counted or not. If she made the vote, it tells us something potentially valuable. You are acting as if its info isn't even worth considering just because she left out the formatting, which is just plain ridiculous.

 

This strike me as a vote of convienence (take notes, Hoofy) that reeks of a bandwagon hopping.

 

No, it's more that I found Nolder to be a jerk.

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Red (1) -- Nolder

 

Ishy (1) -- Songstress

 

BG (1) -- Turin

 

Mynd (2) -- Levity, Ama

 

Nolder (3) -- Hoof, Red, Basel

 

Basel (1) -- Mynd

 

MOD NOTE: I would just like to point out that there is no deadline as yet, and won't be unless the game starts to lag.

 

I would also like to remind everyone of Rule #2 *looks pointedly at certain parties*

[John E. Kelley]

This strike me as a vote of convienence (take notes, Hoofy) that reeks of a bandwagon hopping.

 

No, it's more that I found Nolder to be a jerk.

 

And....it just got personal. Basel, have you ever played with Nol before? I'm just saying, this has all been quite tame by Nolder's standards. Wait until he gets really mad.

[Nolder]

Hey it's cool

I don't mind being called a jerk

I can get pretty jerky when I play mafia

it's my competitive side sorry

 

and Ishy I don't think you've ever seen me really mad

it gets bad...

I have some anger issues

when I get going it's not a pretty sight

 

luckily I am much much better at controlling myself than I used to be!

so yeah that kind of stuff doesn't happen too often anymore haha

[Levity]

"I'm voting Nolder because he's mean"

 

All right, but do you think he's scum?

[Basel Gill]

And....it just got personal. Basel, have you ever played with Nol before? I'm just saying, this has all been quite tame by Nolder's standards. Wait until he gets really mad.

 

Ishy, up till this game, I don't think I have even heard of Nolder before. (Not that I can remember, at least.)

 

Nol, I figure I've been basing my impressions of you solely on Mafia. Solely on this game, in fact (see above.) I'm having a bit of trouble getting used to how vicious the game can be. I apologize for my comment.

 

Unvote. Vote... no idea now.

[Sakaea]

Basel, if you think this is vicious you should see the game I'm in at JetNation....

[Songstress]

Pardon the potential wall 'o' text... this being my second game ever (concurrent with my first over at MafiaScum), I'm still getting a handle on how I feel comfortable participating in the discussion. Since I haven't played with y'all before, and am still trying to get a feel for who's who and what to expect, I'm likely to psych myself out and be realllllly tentative at first. Hopefully in a few days I'll be ready to bare the claws and get down to srs bzns...

 

Thoughts/impressions:

 

Nolder: acting pretty suspicious to me, especially with the nitpicking on Red. This may just be an aggressive playstyle and I'm trying to hold back a while longer before declaring this definitively scummy.

 

Red: seemed a bit evasive in her answer about the possible role hinting issue. Little suspicion-tingle, but I'll reserve judgment until I have more to go on.

 

Ishy: appears to be defending Nolder. Could be just taking a step back and looking at things rationally (the whole argument has been kind of nitpicky so far IMO but I guess right out of the gate you have to seize whatever you can find to start the scumhunt) but if Nolder flips scum, I'mma have to look harder at this one. (Also, Forsaken. I just can't get past this. ;) )

 

Amega: pretty much the same as Ishy IMO. Looks like he's defending Nolder as this is joking that's gotten a little carried away. Which it could be... if not, he jumps up the suspicious list.

 

Mynd: Reading back through the thread, it does look like he was the first to suggest Red was role hinting, and that "you want to be really careful about putting your vote on me" thing just made my skin crawl. Appears to be doing some serious role hinting of his own. Of course, I've read through a few games Mynd was in, and he made me think scum even when he wasn't. Maybe my scum-dar is broken. But he and Nolder are pretty high on my list right now.

 

Aemon, Levity, Hoof: These four appear to be going about things intelligently and thoughtfully. Feels like town to me.

 

Basel: Pretty hardcore in defending Red and going after Nolder... reminds me of myself in my other game right now. And in my other game, I'm being called "newbtown". *sniffle*

 

Ama: Jumped on Mynd pretty fast about his possible veiled threat. Feels like town to me, unless the Mynd train turns up a mislynched townie, then I might reconsider.

 

Turin: Hasn't said much, but appears to be thoughtful about what has been said. Neutral ATM.

 

BG: Hasn't said a word since we stopped discussing the source material ad infinitum. Mafia laying low? I think he could use some pressure.

 

Unvote

 

Vote BG

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Red (1) -- Nolder

 

BG (2) -- Turin, Song

 

Mynd (2) -- Levity, Ama

 

Nolder (2) -- Hoof, Red

 

Basel (1) -- Mynd

 

 

Mod signing off for the night, guys. Night, don't have too much fun

[Blackhoof]

indeed.

 

vote mynd for starting a bandwagon. MUCH more suspicious than putting someone on 2 votes.

 

I gave my reasons - and you should be careful putting your vote on little ol' me.

 

oooh!

 

 

I'm trembling in my custom baby seal-leather boots!

 

1st don't skim. in my first post i casted two votes, both legit; so right there your reason is faulty.

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

2. Voting for someone not in the game is not a valid vote and obviously wont be counted

 

true.

 

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

so why don't you do everyone, including yourself, a favor and tell us if you were trying to role hint Gambit or not

 

Pushing for her roleclaim while you are the lead lynch? Where are your manners?

 

hardly pushing for a roleclaim mynd, merely asking for clarification that she WASNT.

 

hinting is generally not ok with me

and since we're talking about role hinting I see even less harm in Red clarifying whether or not she was in fact claiming Gambit as there are many possible roles one could give Gambit

 

precisely. Nolder wasnt asking IF she was gambit, but asking her to say if the is CLAIMING him.

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

clearly a different situation. You are pinging my scum-dar Basel....

 

 

*snip*

 

very impressive for your second game and very accurate too it would seem.

 

 

anywho, the last few pages have merely reinforced my opinion. Since i forgot to unvote last time, i shall do so now.

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

[Turin Turambar]

Basel, This is your first game here right? I'm still sort of new too compared to some in this game. It is easy to get caught up in the arguing but everything said here is part of the game and should be treated as such. Even statements like "I had a bad day" can be posing for effect.

 

I originally put my vote on BG as a razz, but he has been missing here while being pretty active elsewhere. I think I would like to hear some more out of him.

[Levity]

Even statements like "I had a bad day" can be posing for effect.

^

 

Protip: Remember not to do this. It might lead to unfortunate misunderstandings in the long run~

And if something sounds like a personal insult, try not to think much of it. I'm of the opinion that personal insults, whether they be real or not, should stay out of mafia period, but that's just me.