[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[mmeeshal]

I am getting there, "nearly" done... XD

 

To paraphrase the war3 community:

 

Linking is fine, l2p

Meh, nothing here...

 

Vote: Red

 

Uncountered finder has a guilty on her.

Nothing new, nothing strange...

 

Lynching uncountered finder = bad idea

Again, nothing new, and it makes sense.

 

I honestly don't give a damn if Red can post on her QT or not. An uncountered cop has a guilty on her and we have seen no evidence of a framer.

Well, this seems pretty in-character for Womby, and again, even though I wasn't in 100% agreement with this, it does make sense.

 

I do want to say that even though things make sense, that is not to say that they clear the person saying them...this, for example, could be a perfect opportunity for Wombat to look really town to the rest of us--he didn't push to lynch the uncountered finder, he trusted the finder's findings, etc....

 

So the stuff that doesn't ping me is USUALLY absolutely neutral to me.

[mmeeshal]

Boyo might have been a lie detector. I had a feeling there was one given Ama's no asking someone's alignment rule. I will wait on BG before I state my opinions. I play cult games close to the vest.

Mmkay, pretty neutral to me here. I haven't really decided either way whether I think Boyo's role was lie detector or not, but what Womby says makes sense.

The "I play cult games close to the vest" thing could be taken as an excuse to watch and see which way the wind is blowing before weighing in, so I'm keeping an eye on that.

 

He means BG was probably silenced. It makes sense.

This to clarify because Nolder said something and someone didn't understand what Nolder said.

[mmeeshal]

If Soy was a Lie Detector, then the "check" was his action. Does that sound right?

 

Also, no Vote Control. That seems kinda odd. Not that I am complaining about that.

 

This post is very rolefishy. I think Turin is worried about multiple Lie Detectors and wants to know if there is any possibility of his being lie detected before he tells us a whopper.

 

Vote: Turin

Okay, very very very nearly done.

 

I didn't like this; it wasn't as out-of-the-blue as I originally thought, now that I have this whole exercise behind me, and I have seen other people's points on Turin now, BUT, this does seem fairly flimsy to me.

 

Firstly, no reference to anything previously mentioned on Turin, including no reference to whatever it was that he alluded to but didn't expound upon in the first place...

Secondly, quite a stretch of an accusation. Maybe if he just said "I think Turin is worried about lie detectors" but the "multiple lie detectors" thrown in there makes it make much less sense, and seems kinda BSed to give Wombat an excuse to make Turin look ridiculous AND to vote him.

[mmeeshal]

I think we should seriously consider lynching either BG or Sakaea

the odds one of them was recruited is extremely high even with the WIFOM

based on the fact that Red was still listed as a neighborhood watch I think this cult retains it's previous powers

I'm thinking it would be a really sneaky move to recruit and silence BG on the same day in order to get sakaea lynched

or it could be the mafia just wanted to keep BG quiet and he wasn't recruited

but either way BG'll be dead/recruited/silenced again by tomorrow for sure so I think it's better to just remove him rather than take the chance

also another point in favor of my cult silencer theory

if the mafia still have the power to silence, block, and kill why didn't they block Nyn, kill BG, and silence Sakaea?

seems much better choice than block/killing Nyn and silencing BG

idk

it makes sense to me anyway

 

Vote: BG

 

This makes no sense whatsoever. Even if BG is recruited, as you pointed out in the Seanchan Invasion game in the Aiel (in which you were town), going after cult recruits is asinine when there is still a cult leader alive. Furthermore, seeing as the silence and the recruit probably belong to mafia and cult respectively, the idea of them being used in concert to ostensibly vet BG is ludicrous. Finally, the mafia knows that BG is a cop. They also know that the healer is dead. They would like nothing more than to kill BG without using an NK seeing as cult and town are both threats to them. I say we make the mafia use an NK on BG. I also say if they continue to leave him silenced and alive, that we let them. He will be a player who is confirmed as not cult leader. This kind of play is head-scratching from you, Nolder. I think either you are mafia trying to get BG out of the way, or you are cult trying to save Turin. Tina is also possibly your teammate. The very fact that you are trying to lynch confirmed non cult leaders makes me pretty sure you are scum.

Okay, done after this!!!

 

This was one of VERY few posts of Wombat's that I actually liked, for the most part. I don't agree with ALL of it, but in general, a very solid post from Wombat.

 

 

In conclusion, I'm more leaning toward a vote on Nolder at this point, but I don't feel like doing the same thing with Nol as I did for Wombat, because Nolder posted A LOT more... XD

 

BUT, I am still wary of Wombat; I haven't seen anything from him that convinces me that my ill feeling toward him is unfounded.

[ed2funy]

*strangles Meesh*

ONE POST, woman!

[mmeeshal]

Waah waah waah, Eduardo.

[Nolder]

There is nothing town at ALL about intentionally ignoring what anyone says in a mafia thread. You could miss something very important because you're too lazy or whatever it is that motivates you not to do that if you're town...maybe you didn't think you would miss anything important because you already knew for a fact neither party was scum? That is still the only conclusion I can draw from this.

I have no desire to read WoT after WoT when I'm fairly sure it's townie on townie violence

although I'll admit I'm not as sure now as I was then

nature of the game I suppose

[mmeeshal]

Desire doesn't enter into it, though, Nol. I'm not wanting to open this debate again, but just so you understand, this game is a game where you do have to read, because that is how it's played.

 

So, most people expect that the people who have signed up to play with them are agreeing to read what everyone says, even if it's the biggest pain in the butt ever, because that is how the game is played. You can't know what someone is saying if you don't read it. You can't contribute fully to the discussion if you don't know what is being discussed.

 

If you're not willing to read everything everyone says, or at least scan it to get the gist of it, or even ask someone else to paraphrase, you probably should stop playing mafia. That's my opinion of it and that's all I'm saying on the matter.

[Nolder]

Desire doesn't enter into it, though, Nol. I'm not wanting to open this debate again, but just so you understand, this game is a game where you do have to read, because that is how it's played.

I think Ed didn't get that memo

or maybe he did and he just skimmed it

[mmeeshal]

Eduardo has major brain issues, this is true.

[Netbattler11]

Soooooo now we're playing bash ed?

[Ledinna Sedai]

I don't have an opinion about Womby yet. So far his posts have seemed rather neutral to me.

I also get more towny feeling from Turin.

 

Unlike everybody else seems to be, I'm not convinced about Truthspeaker being a lie detector.

Soy was Seonid, so an Aes Sedai. What if it's just something like the three Oaths? Or just the one that prevents lying, of course. But like he wasn't able to lie, but wasn't a lie detector. Do you think it could be so?

[Ledinna Sedai]

I think Sakaea looks the most scummy at the moment. The last day phase was going back and forth between Red and BG. They both stack up and get about halfway to a lynch and that's when Sakaea flips on Red, completely turning the tide against Red.

 

Red flipped Lightsworn turned Dragonsworn... but does that mean Sakaea wasn't already Dragonsworn?

 

It took me forever to read through this whole game... I have no doubts that I "missed out" on the feel of the game in the beginning by just reading everything at one time, but it seemed like Sakaea supported/defended BG for a while, then later claimed Mason when she was the popular lynch candidate, goes against BG when Red is the other target, and flips on Red when those votes against Red keep stacking up.

 

It just seems fishy.

 

Vote Sakaea.

Since I am already monologuing, I just want to say this is ridiculous to me. From Red's coroner report we KNOW she was a town neighborhood watch team with Kae until Red was recruited. In order for Kae to have been Dragonsworn before Red she would have had to have been recruited N2. Based on how Kae was able to smoke out Red for not posting on their QT it seems fairly obvious the same would have occurred day 3 if Kae had been recruited then.

 

I think the only obvious thing to come out of yesterday (aside from there being a cult is that Kae was confirmed as town at that point. She got her list today so it would make sense that she was not recruited last night either.(unless she made up today's list)

 

That this was Kate's first real post of the game is somewhat odd to me. Maybe teammates pointed this direction?

 

You asked to hear from me Kae and I didn't vote you like Corro(Kate) did. and did again.

 

Here especially the bolded made me think of something I said about Corro before.

One of his posts reminded me of my first mafia game, when I was a scum. I was near of getting lynched, and my scumbuddies advised me to write a post about how I'm a newbie and haven't totally got the game. Corro's post was pretty much exactly like mine then. I'll search and post them after this, I still can't use the multiquote.

 

 

As Corro is now Kate, I think it's worthy to watch after her. I'm not totally convinced about her being a scum, just saying that can be possible too.

[Ledinna Sedai]

Okay I'm really confused :s I'm ashamed to admit but I was just going with other people's votes :( I didn't know what to do and I thought it would help speed up D2. I see how it looks scummy but it's the honest-to-god truth, I just didn't know who to vote for so I went with who had the most at the time :/ I promise I won't do that from now on though... And you guys are wondering why I am not fighting back? Well, I tend to back down in a fight really easy (it's one of my many flaws) and give in to the other side, if you guys have your mind set thinking that I am mafia I am pretty sure I can't change that :/ I've dug myself down too far with a post and now I can't get back out so I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get lynched today... Just saying. There is nothing I alone can say over the internet to make you believe me, I just leave it down to gut feeling and knowlege,unvote... that is all

 

This is it. Veeery close to the one I wrote back then.

[Ledinna Sedai]

I feel a little uneasy about Corrosive, not really pinging, but it somehow reminds me from my first mafia game not so long ago.

 

 

I was scum then, and my scum buddies told me what to say when I made the same kind of "vote just someone who has many votes already" -mistake. The thing, is that Corrosive's post is very much alike the one, my scum buddies advised me to do then. I think it's worthy to keep an eye on him. Not voting yet, though, because I think we got a bigger chance to hit a scum with Spirit.

 

 

 

The whole thing was somewhere around page 49 or 48 (my page length, at least), if you want to check the whole thing.

Kate is of course a different person with a different play style, so I won't go voting her with no further evidences, but because of Corrosive, I will still keep an eye on her.

[WWWwombat]

First Hi Tina. Welcome to the game.

 

Second. Unvote: Vote BG for consolidation. Ledinna or maybe Nolder for tomorrow.

 

Finally, vote No Deadline. Let's just take care of business.

 

I honestly can't remember what Turin said that made me comment about him earlier, Meesh, but on reread this strikes me as odd. Voting someone for consolidation is usually something people do at deadline, but it is quite clear from this post that at this time we didn't even have a deadline. So why is Turin bandwagoning for consolidation's sake? Could be he wants more pressure on BG, but if that were the case, why not say that instead of using this weird phrase of consolidation. Idk, my favorites for cult leader right now are Turin and Nolder. I would be willing to vote either one.

[ed2funy]

Eduardo has major brain issues, this is true.

 

 

Soooooo now we're playing bash ed?

 

[Nolder]

lol that's what you're basing your case off?

oh wait no you can't even remember what you're basing your case off

scummy wombat is scummy

and since when am I linked to Turin?

explain yourself well or I'll be voting you soon I think

[WWWwombat]

I already stated my reason for my vote when I voted. I never linked you to Turin. Interesting that you got all paranoid about possibly being linked to him though.

[Niniel]

I want to let you know that I have asked Ama to replace me. The game would deserve someone that is more active than me. If that isn´t possible I will try to catch up once more.

[Nolder]

I already stated my reason for my vote when I voted. I never linked you to Turin. Interesting that you got all paranoid about possibly being linked to him though.

If Soy was a Lie Detector, then the "check" was his action. Does that sound right?

 

Also, no Vote Control. That seems kinda odd. Not that I am complaining about that.

 

This post is very rolefishy. I think Turin is worried about multiple Lie Detectors and wants to know if there is any possibility of his being lie detected before he tells us a whopper.

 

Vote: Turin

you're kidding me right wombat?

 

also

Idk, my favorites for cult leader right now are Turin and Nolder. I would be willing to vote either one.

if you think either of us could be Cult Leader then it makes sense to me to assume we're both Cult one way or another

I don't know why you'd consider us separately if we've both displayed Cult traits

you aren't making sense at all

[WWWwombat]

Nolder is scumtelling hardcore now.

[Nolder]

says the guy who never backs up his claims

 

how did I just scumtell? break it down for me

[Nolder]

/tumbleweed

[Verbal32]

Wow, Meesh. While you might not call that a "case", I certainly do, hehe.

 

Although I wonder why you mention that you haven't seen anything to soothe your feelings on Wombat (which are obviously leaning towards him being scum), yet aren't voting for him after all that work. Do you feel less suspicious now? I guess I'm just not sure why you go to all that trouble and not vote where your main suspicion appears to lie.