[Advanced] Malazan Mafia - Game On

Vambram · August 15, 2011

I UNVOTE leelou she was obviously my "joke" vote for Day 1. Now, there shall not be any more joke votes from me in this thread.

I VOTE Lily.

Her voting position in the Kate bandwagon appears to be scummy to me. At this time, there really is not anyone who is pinging my scumdar more than any other player in this game. I will definitely be keeping my eyes closely on this thread. And if I see someone who is a better candidate for being scum than Lily is, then I shall vote for that person. Also, if my vote is needed to get a controlled lynch, then I shall do that as well.

FYI, from 5:30am through 4:30pm CST Monday through Friday, I am unable to be on the internet because of my hours at my job.

However, during the evenings, I am online most of the time every night, and I will post here when I feel like there is something worthwhile that I can contribute to this game.

Sedai · August 15, 2011

Vote Count - takes 9 to lynch

Vam (2) - leelou, tina

Ithi (1) - Krak

Hoof (1) - Amadine

Ishy (2) - Ameg, Kate

Kate (4) - , Ed, ishy, wombat, lily

Ed (1) - Kate

Lily (3) - ithi, red, Vam

Sedai · August 15, 2011

A great wrent was tore open in Malaz Harbour. Several people were afraid to walk in with the news of the warrens being sick. No one wanted to be contaminated by the poison coursing through it. Except 17 brave souls. It was a wandering piece of the Warren of Shadow. Once the group was in the Warren they could see a world similar to the wilderness. Large trees, cliffs and rugged terrain. The sky overhead was completely overcast so much so you couldn't even identify the color of it. You could feel the suns warmth and a you could notice light around the edges of some of the clouds but you couldn't identify the position of this world's sun.

Krakalakachkn · August 16, 2011

High House Shadow FTW!!!

aemonkristen · August 16, 2011

I'm a little late, but ready to play. Some thoughts on this first read through: My first thought coming in was "vote Ed" because I haven't played a game with him in forever. Then as I read, people actually started playing. Such a nice change of pace. Everyone jumping on Lily for putting a middle vote on Kate when we are on the first RL day of the game is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion and a few of the people that are pushing hard for her immediate lynch stand out to me. Ithillian starts it off here:

I agree with Tina. Its been less than 24 hours since this game started and I don't want to rush into making a voting decision just because someone got annoyed at having a bandwagon form so quickly against them. I've been looking forward to this game for ages and I'd be annoyed too if it looked like I was gonna get lynched on the first RL day. I remember Jack getting three votes in quick succession on a first day and he wasn't happy about it either and everyone thought cos he strongly defended himself he must be Mafia - but he totally flipped Town.

I doubt that Jack will decide to end days too quickly as long as it seems like we are working towards something and have not just stalled.

Kate is a good active player and I'm certainly looking at anyone who is involved in this super lazy bandwagoning. I honestly have to say that I expected more from you more experienced players than the usual - oh its alright to lynch a Townie cos it'll give us some information - rubbish. I don't know if Kate is Town or Mafia. I've got no read on her at all so I'm NOT voting for her at this time. Obviously I don't want anyone to chuck a mental because I refuse to join in a bandwagon like just happened on another game. I'm trying to learn how to play this game effectively and believe the best way to do that is to form my own opinions and vote accordingly.

Those of you who have voted because you honestly believe she is Mafia, fair enough, but the other people. I'm just really disappointed in to be honest. So that's Wombat and Red who think she is Mafia, from what they have said already. Ed's was probably a joke vote as it was the first thing he did, and Ishy's miscounting and previous 'I'm a good guy honest' post seemed a bit put on.

However the bandwagon for the sake of it, when there is probably no real rush and plenty of time to make real decisions and votes is really ticking me off.

For that reason Vote Lily

And then she throws out this (and I really hope it's a she. I hate getting gender confused), which makes no sense as Lily is not close to the end of the lynch:

Mafia apparently often try and sneak onto the end of a bandwagon apparently, saying they are doing it for the good of all. So to clarify I'm also voting for Lily cos I think she might be Mafia.

Are you accusing her of blatant bandwagoning or of being mafia because of vote placement when a lynch is nowhere close to being achieved?

and then Red continues here:

UNVOTE VOTE: LILY

which is later expounded upon here:

mostly for your main reason Lily. we don't have a deadline and your already pushing the "vote for a majority" angle while giving yoruself a way out.

While I agree in the sense that I do not believe we will receive the deadline in the immediate future, I fail to see why Red is condemning her for something as simple as not wanting to get caught without a vote placed. With all the talk of competing rains to gain information, I actually expected to see a few people with this number of votes to try and put pressure on and see if anything shook loose. Instead it has reverted to the same mindnumbing "you're voting for the person with the most votes on day 1. You must be scum". While this does create a competing train, it asks no questions that must be answered beyond "why were you number 5 on the wagon?".

As for myself, I will VOTE VAMBRAM. Because that last post read something like this: I'm voting Lily because everyone else is, but I don't have a scum reading from anyone, so I'll change my vote to go with the crowd if they decide someone else is better".

LilyElizabeth · August 16, 2011

To be honest, I'd be happy voting Vam, if his train builds up steam, for the reasons Aemon stated above, or Red, because something about her reasons for voting me feel like she just wants to be rid of me early. I'm not switching to Red at this time because I don't think it will develop into a train in time for a lynch.

ed2funy · August 16, 2011

that has been developed by far too much time spent playing this game.

Ha, she called you a loser.

also, kiv says it best when he talks about competing bandwagons. it gives us more info than one wagon and normally shakes soemthing loose.

There are no competing wagons at the time of this post.

And while I did start the bandwagon on Kate, I was also offering myself up for the second one I thought.

You weren't the bandwagon vote. Red and Womby were.

I'm a little late, but ready to play. Some thoughts on this first read through: My first thought coming in was "vote Ed" because I haven't played a game with him in forever.

:wub:

Unvote

Vote Red

She talks about competing wagons when there are none.

But also, FOS Womby and Lily.

Amadine · August 16, 2011

Unvote. Vote Kate.

Meh, Day 1 is silliness anyways and I have 2 votes, let's get 2 bandwagons going and get this rolling.

Yes Day one begins with silliness but there's been too much of it lately, we need to get back to beginning the game on day one. If we lynch right and people actually PLAY on day one we can get information out of it regardless of the result of the lynch.

*ahem*

Someone is eager to start lynching. So eager, in fact, he rushed his counting. Leelou and I had two votes, you only have one according to Mod'o'Awesomeness. (Also, interestingly enough, your vote for me means Leelou is back down to one vote...)

So, yeah, FoS on you for throwing a third vote on me "to make us the two bandwagons" when you have one vote.

But since you want to be the subject of a bandwagon...here ya go...

Unvote. Vote Ishy.

Now...you have two votes.

This totally reads as a thinly veiled OMGUS vote.

Trying too hard to excuse an OMGUS vote imo.

Agreed... as per the above

I'm really not happy with people voting and saying its just a band wagon. My own vote on Kate was purely an initial joke vote. Maybe one or two of the others were also the same - but since when is blatant bandwagoning a skillful thing to do. It just smacks of laziness and easiness (is that a real word). Considering there is no deadline at present what on earth are the people joining in on this wagon thinking.

They are not even giving real reasons for voting.

I'm going to Unvote

Also - its worked once in the past ... Kate - are you Town?

And Ishy & Red - why do you think bandwagons are good things?

Ishy also quickly followed up his thought that bandwagons are good with a blatant - I'm a good guy honest post. Did you think that promoting bandwagons made you look bad?

Agreed, lazy BW votes do nothing, but the pretence of plenty of time because there is no deadline doesn't help either. We need to begin actively playing again at DM, instead of posting fluff and then clamouring for a poorly thought out lynch just before deadline. And i know i have been guilty of inactivity in games lately, it's something i am trying to rectify.

I don't like the "are you town" thing though, especially on day one. The only way that is useful is if there is a Lie Detector in the game, are you claiming LD?

my original vote was at 4th kate, then Womby voted for you. when jack posted the original vote count he didn't count my vote, i guess cause it was in Red. my original intention for voting you still remains the same though as this is when i originally did vote you.

your attempt at twisting it, lack of a real defense and that you seem to be squirming makes me comfy with where my vote is. that and i still don't liek the smell of your counterclaim. if there wasn't these reasons to make me comfy with keeping my vote where it is, i'd likely move it; but until i see anyhing furher, rightnow you are the scummiest thing in this game.

Have to say i'm agreeing with Red here and that in itself is scary *hides*

Someone (Ithi?) said we have time because we don't have a deadline. We aren't going to get a deadline. We will get a 4 hour warning and we'd better hope we have enough players online to do something with it.

I'm going to vote Kate, at least for now. 1) losing a vanilla townie isn't the worst thing that could happen on day 1, and 2) It's the easiest thing to claim as mafia.

Also, I wasn't crazy about her early reveal.

Bro, I'm getting confused. In one game, I have to vote in red and in one game I can't vote in red. Will you consider allowing it to help ease said confusion? I know it's my fault for being in multiple games and all, but please?

Agreed, revealing early as anything other than town is meh, but even a reveal as town on day one with little to no pressure applied is meh. That said an avoidance would have looked bad also, hence my dislike of the "are you town" question.

Mafia apparently often try and sneak onto the end of a bandwagon apparently, saying they are doing it for the good of all. So to clarify I'm also voting for Lily cos I think she might be Mafia.

IMO there's been way too much focus on what position the mafia the take on a bandwagon of late. The mafia will vote when they vote and with everyone focussed on what positions are normally mafia votes it gives them way too much power to hide their votes elsewhere.

The mafia can and will vote in ANY position on a bandwagon.

I UNVOTE leelou she was obviously my "joke" vote for Day 1. Now, there shall not be any more joke votes from me in this thread.

I VOTE Lily.

Her voting position in the Kate bandwagon appears to be scummy to me. At this time, there really is not anyone who is pinging my scumdar more than any other player in this game. I will definitely be keeping my eyes closely on this thread. And if I see someone who is a better candidate for being scum than Lily is, then I shall vote for that person. Also, if my vote is needed to get a controlled lynch, then I shall do that as well.

FYI, from 5:30am through 4:30pm CST Monday through Friday, I am unable to be on the internet because of my hours at my job.

However, during the evenings, I am online most of the time every night, and I will post here when I feel like there is something worthwhile that I can contribute to this game.

Again the voting position thing??!! It's a poor reason to vote IMO.

I'm a little late, but ready to play. Some thoughts on this first read through: My first thought coming in was "vote Ed" because I haven't played a game with him in forever. Then as I read, people actually started playing. Such a nice change of pace. Everyone jumping on Lily for putting a middle vote on Kate when we are on the first RL day of the game is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion and a few of the people that are pushing hard for her immediate lynch stand out to me. Ithillian starts it off here:

I agree with Tina. Its been less than 24 hours since this game started and I don't want to rush into making a voting decision just because someone got annoyed at having a bandwagon form so quickly against them. I've been looking forward to this game for ages and I'd be annoyed too if it looked like I was gonna get lynched on the first RL day. I remember Jack getting three votes in quick succession on a first day and he wasn't happy about it either and everyone thought cos he strongly defended himself he must be Mafia - but he totally flipped Town.

I doubt that Jack will decide to end days too quickly as long as it seems like we are working towards something and have not just stalled.

Kate is a good active player and I'm certainly looking at anyone who is involved in this super lazy bandwagoning. I honestly have to say that I expected more from you more experienced players than the usual - oh its alright to lynch a Townie cos it'll give us some information - rubbish. I don't know if Kate is Town or Mafia. I've got no read on her at all so I'm NOT voting for her at this time. Obviously I don't want anyone to chuck a mental because I refuse to join in a bandwagon like just happened on another game. I'm trying to learn how to play this game effectively and believe the best way to do that is to form my own opinions and vote accordingly.

Those of you who have voted because you honestly believe she is Mafia, fair enough, but the other people. I'm just really disappointed in to be honest. So that's Wombat and Red who think she is Mafia, from what they have said already. Ed's was probably a joke vote as it was the first thing he did, and Ishy's miscounting and previous 'I'm a good guy honest' post seemed a bit put on.

However the bandwagon for the sake of it, when there is probably no real rush and plenty of time to make real decisions and votes is really ticking me off.

For that reason Vote Lily

And then she throws out this (and I really hope it's a she. I hate getting gender confused), which makes no sense as Lily is not close to the end of the lynch:

Mafia apparently often try and sneak onto the end of a bandwagon apparently, saying they are doing it for the good of all. So to clarify I'm also voting for Lily cos I think she might be Mafia.

Are you accusing her of blatant bandwagoning or of being mafia because of vote placement when a lynch is nowhere close to being achieved?

and then Red continues here:

UNVOTE VOTE: LILY

which is later expounded upon here:

mostly for your main reason Lily. we don't have a deadline and your already pushing the "vote for a majority" angle while giving yoruself a way out.

While I agree in the sense that I do not believe we will receive the deadline in the immediate future, I fail to see why Red is condemning her for something as simple as not wanting to get caught without a vote placed. With all the talk of competing rains to gain information, I actually expected to see a few people with this number of votes to try and put pressure on and see if anything shook loose. Instead it has reverted to the same mindnumbing "you're voting for the person with the most votes on day 1. You must be scum". While this does create a competing train, it asks no questions that must be answered beyond "why were you number 5 on the wagon?".

As for myself, I will VOTE VAMBRAM. Because that last post read something like this: I'm voting Lily because everyone else is, but I don't have a scum reading from anyone, so I'll change my vote to go with the crowd if they decide someone else is better".

It has to be said - i totally agree with Aemon here, as i already said the bandwagon position thing is putting blinders on the town and allowing the mafia to hide elsewhere.

UNVOTE

VOTE VAMBRAM

Niniel · August 16, 2011

I UNVOTE leelou she was obviously my "joke" vote for Day 1. Now, there shall not be any more joke votes from me in this thread.

I VOTE Lily.

Her voting position in the Kate bandwagon appears to be scummy to me. At this time, there really is not anyone who is pinging my scumdar more than any other player in this game. I will definitely be keeping my eyes closely on this thread. And if I see someone who is a better candidate for being scum than Lily is, then I shall vote for that person. Also, if my vote is needed to get a controlled lynch, then I shall do that as well.

FYI, from 5:30am through 4:30pm CST Monday through Friday, I am unable to be on the internet because of my hours at my job.

However, during the evenings, I am online most of the time every night, and I will post here when I feel like there is something worthwhile that I can contribute to this game.

I´m happy with my vote on Vambram. Firstly he didn´t even comment on my vote for him. Then saying that no one sticks out more then others so far. There has been many things to notice already and I feel that Vambram is just trying to float in the middle without upsetting anyone. It´s not common to find a mafia member on day one (if it´s not Christine :wink: ) but the more talk we get the better it is.

I´m also watching Lily but not for the same reason. I agree with Ama that mafia can and will vote whenever they want to - the first ones to bandwagon doesn´t necessarily have to be mafia. What I don´t like with Lily´s post is that it´s easy to read it that we should all bandwagon quickly so that we guaranteed will get a lynch. We should work for a controlled lynch but I think it was too early to think of that when it hadn´t been 24 hours of the game jet.

About Kate´s reveal - anyone can say they are vanilla town. Kate is new but I have seen her doing some great games so she can both be lying or telling the truth. It was unnecessary though.

I have been one of those who have been a bit irritated on the inactivity in many games but I have decided not to whine about it in this game but instead do my part of the game. I have a lot of time since I don´t have any job and I understand that others have to work. For those who haven´t played with me before you will notice that I´m less active when my daughter is with me but I usually can be here when she has gone to sleep.

Vambram · August 16, 2011

I UNVOTE Lily because my vote seems to have gotten the attention of those who now want to use that vote as an excuse to think that I am scum.

Lily was no where near close to being lynched, and yet on this page, there are players wanting to lynch me just because I voted for Lily. That makes me suspicious of them. Why vote for me, instead of voting for the others whom have voted to lynch Lily?

Vambram · August 16, 2011

I'm a little late, but ready to play. Some thoughts on this first read through: My first thought coming in was "vote Ed" because I haven't played a game with him in forever. Then as I read, people actually started playing. Such a nice change of pace. Everyone jumping on Lily for putting a middle vote on Kate when we are on the first RL day of the game is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion and a few of the people that are pushing hard for her immediate lynch stand out to me. Ithillian starts it off here:

I agree with Tina. Its been less than 24 hours since this game started and I don't want to rush into making a voting decision just because someone got annoyed at having a bandwagon form so quickly against them. I've been looking forward to this game for ages and I'd be annoyed too if it looked like I was gonna get lynched on the first RL day. I remember Jack getting three votes in quick succession on a first day and he wasn't happy about it either and everyone thought cos he strongly defended himself he must be Mafia - but he totally flipped Town.

I doubt that Jack will decide to end days too quickly as long as it seems like we are working towards something and have not just stalled.

Kate is a good active player and I'm certainly looking at anyone who is involved in this super lazy bandwagoning. I honestly have to say that I expected more from you more experienced players than the usual - oh its alright to lynch a Townie cos it'll give us some information - rubbish. I don't know if Kate is Town or Mafia. I've got no read on her at all so I'm NOT voting for her at this time. Obviously I don't want anyone to chuck a mental because I refuse to join in a bandwagon like just happened on another game. I'm trying to learn how to play this game effectively and believe the best way to do that is to form my own opinions and vote accordingly.

Those of you who have voted because you honestly believe she is Mafia, fair enough, but the other people. I'm just really disappointed in to be honest. So that's Wombat and Red who think she is Mafia, from what they have said already. Ed's was probably a joke vote as it was the first thing he did, and Ishy's miscounting and previous 'I'm a good guy honest' post seemed a bit put on.

However the bandwagon for the sake of it, when there is probably no real rush and plenty of time to make real decisions and votes is really ticking me off.

For that reason Vote Lily

And then she throws out this (and I really hope it's a she. I hate getting gender confused), which makes no sense as Lily is not close to the end of the lynch:

Mafia apparently often try and sneak onto the end of a bandwagon apparently, saying they are doing it for the good of all. So to clarify I'm also voting for Lily cos I think she might be Mafia.

Are you accusing her of blatant bandwagoning or of being mafia because of vote placement when a lynch is nowhere close to being achieved?

and then Red continues here:

UNVOTE VOTE: LILY

which is later expounded upon here:

mostly for your main reason Lily. we don't have a deadline and your already pushing the "vote for a majority" angle while giving yoruself a way out.

While I agree in the sense that I do not believe we will receive the deadline in the immediate future, I fail to see why Red is condemning her for something as simple as not wanting to get caught without a vote placed. With all the talk of competing rains to gain information, I actually expected to see a few people with this number of votes to try and put pressure on and see if anything shook loose. Instead it has reverted to the same mindnumbing "you're voting for the person with the most votes on day 1. You must be scum". While this does create a competing train, it asks no questions that must be answered beyond "why were you number 5 on the wagon?".

As for myself, I will VOTE VAMBRAM. Because that last post read something like this: I'm voting Lily because everyone else is, but I don't have a scum reading from anyone, so I'll change my vote to go with the crowd if they decide someone else is better".

Aemon, perhaps you should re-read my post where I did vote for Lily, because you have badly misinterpreted or misunderstood what I did post. That level of misinterpretation causes me to very suspicious of you.

I UNVOTE leelou she was obviously my "joke" vote for Day 1. Now, there shall not be any more joke votes from me in this thread.

I VOTE Lily.

Her voting position in the Kate bandwagon appears to be scummy to me. At this time, there really is not anyone who is pinging my scumdar more than any other player in this game. I will definitely be keeping my eyes closely on this thread. And if I see someone who is a better candidate for being scum than Lily is, then I shall vote for that person. Also, if my vote is needed to get a controlled lynch, then I shall do that as well.

FYI, from 5:30am through 4:30pm CST Monday through Friday, I am unable to be on the internet because of my hours at my job.

However, during the evenings, I am online most of the time every night, and I will post here when I feel like there is something worthwhile that I can contribute to this game.

I´m happy with my vote on Vambram. Firstly he didn´t even comment on my vote for him. Then saying that no one sticks out more then others so far. There has been many things to notice already and I feel that Vambram is just trying to float in the middle without upsetting anyone. It´s not common to find a mafia member on day one (if it´s not Christine ) but the more talk we get the better it is.

I´m also watching Lily but not for the same reason. I agree with Ama that mafia can and will vote whenever they want to - the first ones to bandwagon doesn´t necessarily have to be mafia. What I don´t like with Lily´s post is that it´s easy to read it that we should all bandwagon quickly so that we guaranteed will get a lynch. We should work for a controlled lynch but I think it was too early to think of that when it hadn´t been 24 hours of the game jet.

About Kate´s reveal - anyone can say they are vanilla town. Kate is new but I have seen her doing some great games so she can both be lying or telling the truth. It was unnecessary though.

I have been one of those who have been a bit irritated on the inactivity in many games but I have decided not to whine about it in this game but instead do my part of the game. I have a lot of time since I don´t have any job and I understand that others have to work. For those who haven´t played with me before you will notice that I´m less active when my daughter is with me but I usually can be here when she has gone to sleep.

Tina, I did not react to your vote on me, because it was the second vote for me on Day 1 here, and I really did not see a reason to respond to what you said. You had your feelings and opinion, but it was based upon what I was posting on very early Day 1 stuff. As you well know, a lot of people in the early phases of Day 1 don't post hardly anything of substance. You seemed to call me out on that, and then voted to lynch me. I did not react to your post and your lynch because I figured that there would not be a bandwagon starting to form against me. However, I see that my prediction about the bandwagon is incorrect. Therefore, I am now responding to you.

I am on the Town team, and I do have a named character as well as a role which is very important to the Town. Surely, there are some who will disbelieve and doubt my claim, even if I go ahead and say what my character and role is. Therefore, I shall not do a full reveal unless asked to do so by more than two players.

I am going to VOTE Aemon, because his very first post in this game appears to very very very scummy to me. NOT because he voted for me, but because of the style and content of his post. If he would have voted for anyone else, I still would believe that he is scum because of the very strongly accusatory content and word twisting nature of his very first post in this game.

ed2funy · August 16, 2011

*facepalm*

Why half reveal and then say TWO players?!

Surely the mafia has more than two players, and surely two townies will say something. -_-

Don't reveal unless you're about to be lynched, yo.

Amadine · August 16, 2011

*cries* another reveal on day one??!! Talk about caving under pressure and the dreaded semi-i-am-town-and-important-reveal *cringes and leave vote where it is*

Sedai · August 16, 2011

Vote Count - takes 9 to lynch

Vam (4) - leelou, tina, aemon, AMA

Ithi (1) - Krak

Hoof (1) - Amadine

Ishy (2) - Ameg, Kate

Kate (3) - ishy, wombat,

Ed (1) - Kate

Lily (2) - ithi, red,

Red (1) - Ed

Aemon (1) - Vam

Christine (1) - lily

amegakure · August 16, 2011

really why do people still see this early reveal as a good idea. Right now im going on oh about no sleep and will post later in this day. But ive noticed the whole vambram and lily thing.

Amadine · August 16, 2011

Here's what i got Jack:

Vam (4) - Leelou, Tina, Aemon, Ama

Ithi (1) - Krak

Ishy (2) - Ameg, Kate

Christine (1) - Lily

Kate (2) - Ishy, Wombat

Lily (2) - Ithi, Red

Red (1) - Ed

Aemon (1) - Vam

Not voting: Berf Hoof Christine

Lily never unvoted Christine.

Sedai · August 16, 2011

Thank you AMA :)

Sedai · August 16, 2011

Day 1 - Takes 9 to lynch

Vam (4) - Leelou, Tina, Aemon, Ama

Ithi (1) - Krak

Ishy (2) - Ameg, Kate

Christine (1) - Lily

Kate (2) - Ishy, Wombat

Lily (2) - Ithi, Red

Red (1) - Ed

Aemon (1) - Vam

Not voting: Berf Hoof Christine

Sedai · August 16, 2011

Day 1 - Takes 9 to lynch

Vam (4) - Leelou, Tina, Aemon, Ama

Ithi (1) - Krak

Ishy (2) - Ameg, Kate

Christine (1) - Lily

Kate (2) - Ishy, Wombat

Lily (2) - Ithi, Red

Red (1) - Ed

Aemon (1) - Vam

Not voting: Berf Hoof Christine

Amadine · August 16, 2011

No worries - trying to do vote counts from a phone sucks.

Red2111 · August 16, 2011

about Lily. realy i still dislike Kate's response to the pressure, infact you'll notice now she's pretty much dropped back. with Lily, i feel like there is a team mate connection there with Kate honestly. the vote on Kate was sloppy imo and Lily had to know she'd draw heat from it.

this is more of a gut thing honestly with nothing more to back it up, but i'm watchign both of them more closely from now.

with vam, i'm more inclined to believe him. but now with a half reveal, i'm less inclined tbh. i detest half reveals, either reveal or don't, the half way stuff puts as big of a target on your back as does revealing fully. aside form that, i can't say i'm seeing the same things that you all are about Vam right now

Red voting is allowed. Vote count later, but brownie points to someone who cando it for me.

I'm so pleased that Red can vote. Also - I don't do vote counts lol.

5 points to Ilth, for beating me to the smartass comment :laugh: i thought the same thing when i read it *grins*

To be honest, I'd be happy voting Vam, if his train builds up steam, for the reasons Aemon stated above, or Red, because something about her reasons for voting me feel like she just wants to be rid of me early. I'm not switching to Red at this time because I don't think it will develop into a train in time for a lynch.

really. of all i said, this is the best you can do to try and get me voted?? color me not impressed :wink:

also, kiv says it best when he talks about competing bandwagons. it gives us more info than one wagon and normally shakes soemthing loose.

There are no competing wagons at the time of this post.

actually Ed, yes there were. at the time of my original vote, Kate was only ahead of two other trains by 1 vote. out of those trains, i found Kate to be the best place to post my vote because i severly disliked her reveal; and tbh, i still dislike her reveal. even with Vams halfassed reveal and lily's opportunistic vote, Kate's reveal and reaction to the wagon are still the scummiest thing D1.

Krakalakachkn · August 16, 2011

I love this Day 1 so far! So much has happened, so many half-assed reveals and players already arguing over age-old arguments, it really gets me going!

Anyways, I'll be back soon with some thoughts.

Krakalakachkn · August 16, 2011

I'm really not happy with people voting and saying its just a band wagon. My own vote on Kate was purely an initial joke vote. Maybe one or two of the others were also the same - but since when is blatant bandwagoning a skillful thing to do. It just smacks of laziness and easiness (is that a real word). Considering there is no deadline at present what on earth are the people joining in on this wagon thinking.

They are not even giving real reasons for voting.

I'm going to Unvote

Also - its worked once in the past ... Kate - are you Town?

And Ishy & Red - why do you think bandwagons are good things?

Ishy also quickly followed up his thought that bandwagons are good with a blatant - I'm a good guy honest post. Did you think that promoting bandwagons made you look bad?

2 scumtells this means my vote stays.

WWWwombat · August 16, 2011

Don't like the Vambram train at all.

bhskeeper11 · August 16, 2011

A lot of you mention not liking my reveal... As a player trying to learn more and get better at Mafia, I'd like to know what would you all have done?

Ithi asked me point-blank if I was town.

I am, so I didn't really fear making my claim. Should I have not mentioned vanilla? I felt that if I had kept that bit a secret, someone would have picked up on it and would bring it up anyway.

And, it's not like I could have ignored it either. That would have been as bad, if not worse, than what I did.

I'm sorry you all don't like it, but I did what I felt was the least bad thing to do. I came open and stated my alignment/lack of role.

Also, can I end your questioning over my statement immediately after Ishy being an OMGUS? It was. I didn't think OMGUS votes were such a terrible thing, especially not in day one of Day 1, when nearly all the votes are jokes/OMGUS for joke-voting me, etc. I just called him out for his miscounting and corrected his count by voting for him, since it seemed that was what he wanted. Then, when I was first "called out" for doing an OMGUS vote, I threw out another joke about OMGUS voting. I just don't see how it's such a big deal, especially on Day 1.

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