[Basic] Mafia with Quibby- GAME OVER

[Sakaea]

That was my reaction also. Which is why I want to see what Red has to say.

[Nolder]

OOOH

UHHHH

RED YOU'RE CC'D

UHHH

HMMMM

 

this is very strange

why would mafia sac like this so early in the game?

 

regardless I suggest we leave them both alive

the scum can't kill the real doc without sacrificing themselves the next day and that leaves the real doc open to protect other people and not themselves which means they're more likely to block a kill

 

also because he claimed and because we know he's a non PR

Vote: Krak

[csarmi]

So we got two players claiming Healer.

At least one of them is lying. I belive it would be a bad idea to lynch either of them.

 

1a) We have no idea who is the one telling the truth (and I don't think we shall for while)

1b) Red can be lying to save her ass as scum, Leelou could be lying to get the healer lynched.

2) Even if one of them is a liar, both may be town.

 

So lynching them is an unnecessary risk. My vote stays on Krak.

[Krakalakachkn]

That's fair.

[csarmi]

Nolder:

 

1) If Red is scum, she wouldn't want herself lynched, obviously. So why not reveal.

2) Now put yourself in leelou's position and assume Red is town. Well, if you were scum, you would know Red's alignment for town. So you would take her words at face value. Now wouldn't you sacrifice yourself gladly to get rid of Red (a very dangerous player) and get rid of the healer?

[csarmi]

the scum can't kill the real doc without sacrificing themselves the next day and that leaves the real doc open to protect other people and not themselves which means they're more likely to block a kill

 

FOS @ Nolder for directing the healer. You're sawing WiFoM here which is most like to hurt the maffia, but I still don't like it. Don't make assumptions and certainly don't try to encourage the healer to protect or not protect himself/herself.

[Red2111]

UNVOTE VOTE: LEELOU

your a LLL leelou, though i expected you and your scumsters to do this earlier. i'd rather lynch someone i'm 100% sure that's scum rather than a claimed innocent.

 

 

CS - i'd consider the option that leelou is town and countering me to throw out WIFOM and confuse the scum. but then she's voting me. if she is doing then, then leading a lynch on me like this does more harm to the town; especially since my claim is on shakey ground

 

 

Here's an interesting question... would a mafia sacrifice themselves on Day 2 to kill a Healer on Day 1? Seems like it could be a decent trade if there are other mafia power roles and leelou is Vanilla mafia.

 

i'm siding with this. not to mention, look at how close her CC comes to the deadline. it could also be a way to split the votes so we get a random.

[Nolder]

the scum can't kill the real doc without sacrificing themselves the next day and that leaves the real doc open to protect other people and not themselves which means they're more likely to block a kill

 

FOS @ Nolder for directing the healer. You're sawing WiFoM here which is most like to hurt the maffia, but I still don't like it. Don't make assumptions and certainly don't try to encourage the healer to protect or not protect himself/herself.

what? don't be silly

the doc should definitely not self protect in this situation

we're not even close to lylo

if mafia kills the doc all they do is lose a player

remember we have numbers on our side, they don't

1 of them is worth 2-3 of us easy

[Nolder]

not to mention, look at how close her CC comes to the deadline. it could also be a way to split the votes so we get a random.

it shouldn't come to that as long as everyone keeps their heads

[bgrishinko]

the scum can't kill the real doc without sacrificing themselves the next day and that leaves the real doc open to protect other people and not themselves which means they're more likely to block a kill

 

FOS @ Nolder for directing the healer. You're sawing WiFoM here which is most like to hurt the maffia, but I still don't like it. Don't make assumptions and certainly don't try to encourage the healer to protect or not protect himself/herself.

what? don't be silly

the doc should definitely not self protect in this situation

we're not even close to lylo

if mafia kills the doc all they do is lose a player

remember we have numbers on our side, they don't

1 of them is worth 2-3 of us easy

 

 

But is one of them worth our power roles?

[Leelou]

Red, there is over a day left until deadline, so your argument does not stand here. We can get into a back and forth, but really I don't have the time. I have not been very active anywhere due to living and work schedules. All I know is that you are lying and clearly are mafia.

[Red2111]

Nol, how about leaving who i do or don't protect up in the air. i'd rather my actions be a wild card, that way the mafia is unsure about their NK succeeding

 

why shouldn't i self protect, getting rid of me is a very wise thing for the scum to do. if they kill me, then this leaves the cop wide open and gives us no defense against their NK.

 

 

but i know this, and so do they; so now its a game of cat & mouse. they have to diced if i'm a good enough target to risk the NK on, or if their gonna play it safe; and on the reverse i also take this into conisderation.

 

 

but directing my actions eliminates the WIFOM and lessens the only weapon i have against them.

[csarmi]

Yup and what if the maffia guesses what the healer does and kills the healer? Now THAT would be a blow...

[bgrishinko]

Here's the way I see it.

 

If I had been the Healer, and Red claimed and I knew it wasn't true, I'd just be very VERY adamant that I thought Red was scum. Maybe seek out some incriminating posts. Call them a liar, whatever, but I would not put myself out there and reveal this early. Not worth it so early.

 

But that's just me. I'm not leelou.

 

But, I gotta go with that, Unvote: Vote Leelou

[Leelou]

BG, the fact that you are voting for me right after Red makes me think that you are on a mafia team with her and you would be happy to have the real healer out of the way.

[csarmi]

btw my last post is replay to Nolder

[Nolder]

the scum can't kill the real doc without sacrificing themselves the next day and that leaves the real doc open to protect other people and not themselves which means they're more likely to block a kill

 

FOS @ Nolder for directing the healer. You're sawing WiFoM here which is most like to hurt the maffia, but I still don't like it. Don't make assumptions and certainly don't try to encourage the healer to protect or not protect himself/herself.

what? don't be silly

the doc should definitely not self protect in this situation

we're not even close to lylo

if mafia kills the doc all they do is lose a player

remember we have numbers on our side, they don't

1 of them is worth 2-3 of us easy

 

 

But is one of them worth our power roles?

yes

[Nolder]

Yup and what if the maffia guesses what the healer does and kills the healer? Now THAT would be a blow...

no it wouldn't

we lose healer but we kill mafia

that's a great deal

 

 

Nol, how about leaving who i do or don't protect up in the air. i'd rather my actions be a wild card, that way the mafia is unsure about their NK succeeding

 

why shouldn't i self protect, getting rid of me is a very wise thing for the scum to do. if they kill me, then this leaves the cop wide open and gives us no defense against their NK.

 

 

but i know this, and so do they; so now its a game of cat & mouse. they have to diced if i'm a good enough target to risk the NK on, or if their gonna play it safe; and on the reverse i also take this into conisderation.

 

 

but directing my actions eliminates the WIFOM and lessens the only weapon i have against them.

but killing you would be stupid of them

they just sacrifice leelou in that case

it makes no sense to self protect

[bgrishinko]

BG, the fact that you are voting for me right after Red makes me think that you are on a mafia team with her and you would be happy to have the real healer out of the way.

 

That's is a pretty cut and paste argument there. "X thinks I'm scum, I think X is scum. You voted for me right after X posted the first vote on me, ergo you are scum as well!"

 

I gave a reason. It wasn't out of the blue. It has logic behind it. Mainly, I think you are running a gambit to kill Red when the post count got low. I might be wrong. But I might be wrong if I voted Red as well.

 

I don't want to ignore this situation. I think that it is worth making a decision over. Feels a little scummy to try and avoid it and continue on as if nothing happened. I know people are ancy to get a lynch, but if this is put off till tomorrow, then we are still left in the same situation without any answers. A healer is helpful, but it is usually kinda random chance if they save the same person mafia lynches. Unless we know Cop, but that is an ever worse idea to proclaim.

 

One way or another, we will have found scum by the end of day 2, so long as one of you aren't a lying townie. In which case, shame on you and admit it now before we lynch both of you.

[csarmi]

Eh what killing scum is a great deal for losing healer? What have you been smoking?

[bgrishinko]

Eh what killing scum is a great deal for losing healer? What have you been smoking?

 

Who said anything about it being a great deal? I think it is a horrible deal. I mentioned so earlier. That was part of why I think Leelou is scum because I have a hard time seeing a real healer revealing themselves for that very reason. Makes a good scum ploy though. My point here is, something needs to be done here. We have a Healer and a Mafia on the line and people would rather ignore that then figure this out.

[Leelou]

I revealed now because I don't have much time and it is more credible for me to reveal now than three days from now.

[csarmi]

That was a reply to Nolder again. It's just that the posts appear very fast.

[Nolder]

bg I think your vote is scummy as well

we should be leaving both of them alive today

the mafia can't kill the real doc without revealing themselves

[Nolder]

killing scum is a great deal for losing healer?

yes