[Basic] Elizabethan Mafia - Game Over

[Christine]

14 HOURS TILL THE DEADLINE

 

 

Official Vote Count

Jack - 2 - Krak, Kivam

Ishy - 5 - Aemon, Red, Min, Sakaea, Jack

Sakaea - 1 - Amega

Hoof - 1 - Moon

 

14 Alive, 8 to Lynch

 

 

Deadline is: August 11th, 2:00 PM EST

[Minuet]

I am always up for a Jack lynch, but honestly I don't see how we can get that train going this late in the day. I always think Jack is scum, so I don't think it is a waste to get rid of him. Besides, if he is town the mafia might pick him off for us.

[John E. Kelley]

Consolidation and blatant bandwaggoning Jack? Really? I was the one specifically calling against that. But if it's a random kill you don't want than I'll help with that.

Vote Ishy.

I'm town, I can't see a situation where a mod would cast a first time player as scum, but if it gets the rest of my team the info they need, I'll do what I can. I'm town, you're letting Team Scum off with an easy win on Day 2, but hey, what can I say, I'm the new guy, my game probably isn't up to Top Billing just yet, but I call 'em like I see 'em. I bought Moon's claim after some vet's told me what they thought, I still do, but I don't still don't quite understand Jack's claim that I'm calling for consolidation and bandwaggoning when I'm casting my vote for someone that had exactly zero votes against them....

 

And as a final post, since I'm obviously getting the consolidation lynch,.....Min....really? Switching on me like that? Booo.....

[Sedai]

I wa referring myself ishy. Those where my reasons for voting. I'm bandwagoning, what's the need to fancify reasons? It's scummy

[Sedai]

I am always up for a Jack lynch, but honestly I don't see how we can get that train going this late in the day. I always think Jack is scum, so I don't think it is a waste to get rid of him. Besides, if he is town the mafia might pick him off for us.

 

So you want to lynch me :( or you want the scum to nk me :( that makes me sad min. :p I thought I played a decent townie game, and my different way of thinking is handy for catching scum

[Sedai]

Unvote, vote Jack. Nobody has joined me on Tiinker and I really don't like the way you've been playing. I'll vote Ishy if necessary to get a lynch, but I'd like to see a competing train so we can get some info, and Jack is the place to do that, IMO.

 

Really, when I had only 1 vote? Looks like you may be trying to defend a possible scum mate? By splitting and running competing trains with a deadline tomorrow afternoon, a deadline a few players say that can't make, it makes you look scummy, and it makes me all the more happy with my vote on ishy. You say you'd switch to him of you were needed and your timidity reeks of scum not trying to throw a teammate under the bus. I'm extremely certain if ishy is scum then so are you.

[John E. Kelley]

Unvote, vote Jack. Nobody has joined me on Tiinker and I really don't like the way you've been playing. I'll vote Ishy if necessary to get a lynch, but I'd like to see a competing train so we can get some info, and Jack is the place to do that, IMO.

 

Really, when I had only 1 vote? Looks like you may be trying to defend a possible scum mate? By splitting and running competing trains with a deadline tomorrow afternoon, a deadline a few players say that can't make, it makes you look scummy, and it makes me all the more happy with my vote on ishy. You say you'd switch to him of you were needed and your timidity reeks of scum not trying to throw a teammate under the bus. I'm extremely certain if ishy is scum then so are you.

 

But I'm town. I can't speak for Kiv, but I can say that he hasn't really thrown me a scum vibe. But after tomorrow you will see that I'm town....

[Blackhoof]

i dont really know why we are luynching ishy other than to consolidate, but it looks like we have no choice. I have seen scum give stearling defences and vote themselves in desperation before, so ishys self-vote doesnt really clear him.

 

even if it did, there is simply no time for another person to be lynched.

 

vote ishy

 

he is now at L-1, if i have counted correctly.

[John E. Kelley]

I would complain if I didn't know that it happens all the time.....but I'm town, and if if my lynch helps Team Town, then hoorah...

[Tiinker]

Haha well we're all excited for you :P

[Graendals favourite]

I don't think the mafia would have lost anything in particular by not nking 1.st night, it we did at the outset have a second first day since gen revealed nothing. Thus it is viable play, so there is a chance we like the mafia now know moon is the healer. I do not suggesting voting her, but I count to myself a 2/3 probability she is the healer, but something is troubling me about the sak reveal. Like there were an asymmetry.

 

If the mafia targeted sak, they knew that and would have thought him the healer. Sak could be anything, while moon would have presumed she saved him. This does not lead to her revealing herself, since the mafia would not have known more than the town.

 

If the mafia targeted no one, they would have found out moon was the doc and unlike the rest of us gotten no wifom from moon over sak(who could very well be mafia too as far as moon could know).

 

I just can't buy this reveal, and I am suspicious of people like kivam who purported to take it for certain.

[Graendals favourite]

People, sakaea was targeted last night. That means she is definitely not scum. On my phone, but I'm very likely to vote someone who is voting her when I get to a comp

 

That's not true. FOS at you! The Mafia could have just decided to not NK anybody to create this confusion. By saying it like it's a fact your leading people to believe the same.

 

That is highly unlikely, and the odds that they would do so, and that the doctor would protect a scum member, are vanishingly small. So the idea that it was some plan to vet Sakaea is crazy.

 

To add to this: the other option is that both Moon and Sakaea are scum and Moon is lying, the doc self protected, and the scum is looking to out the doc. But if that were the case, the doc would have counterclaimed already. With a doc counterclaim, we lynch Sakaea, and if she's town (likely) we lynch our second doc claimant next; if she's scum, then we lynch Moon next and have two scum down. There is no way that two scum would put themselves out there, linked so clearly, this early in the game. There are 4 scum at most in this game, likely 3 + a symp (which I'm suspecting might be you). Losing 2 scum members by day 3 would be devastating. It's a nonsense plan, and one bound to fail, because eventually there would be a counterclaim.

 

Frankly, you are the player that most looks like they are trying to sow confusion.

 

Is it theoretically possible that the mafia no-killed night one or Moon is lying? Sure. Is it likely enough that we ought to really be focusing on it as a possibility to stay highly suspicious of Moon/Sakaea, let alone voting them today? No.

I agree Moon and Sakaea should not be voted. But this post also lays groundwork for a plan to get the doc lynched at a price of maximum one mafia, which is something worthwhile for them I presume. If Moon were scum, likely Sakaea would not be, absolutely no need for the mafia to implicate anyone else of theirs. Actually Moon could be a symp, eitherway, there is no need to vote her early on, she is out there as a possibility already.

 

So Vote Kivam, he seems to have potentially made a biggest case for this potential mafia scheme.

[Graendals favourite]

Yea, I don't believe Ishy scum, my vote stays where it is. No doubt he'll be nightkilled if not lynched, if we lynch him we will lose different townie at night. We should look for how the bandwagon started. At least a random kill might catch scum.

[Graendals favourite]

Oh and who said Moon was experienced though she claimed she gets killed early, must look into that, a possible mafia tell.

[Christine]

2 HOURS TILL THE DEADLINE

 

 

Official Vote Count

Jack - 2 - Krak, Kivam

Ishy - 7 - Aemon, Red, Min, Sakaea, Jack, Ishy, Hoof

Sakaea - 1 - Amega

Hoof - 1 - Moon

Kivam - 1 - GF

 

14 Alive, 8 to Lynch

 

 

Deadline is: August 11th, 2:00 PM EST

[Kivam]

It is completely ridiculous that we cannot get another lynch train going. We are hamstringing ourselves going forward.

 

I will be around at deadline and will hammer if necessary, but for the love of God, people, start playing this game!

 

(BTW, GF - I have absolutely no idea what your posts meant. Could you break it down, please? And throwing a vote on someone who has 0 votes, 3 hours before deadline, is an absurdly scummy play.)

[Red2111]

i hate to push votes. but with 2 hours until the deadline GF and Tiink are getting a big FoS. first off, Tiink is active yet hasn't even voted and GF voted and has been active, but decided to cast her vote on someoen who wasn't even a candidate right now.

 

GF i get that you feel Kiv is scummy, but i think right now we shoudl be concentrating on a controlled lynch rather than voting for who we feel is most scummy when it wont garner a majority. early on this is fine, but not with 2 hrs until the deadline.

 

 

and Tiink, your lack of a vote anywhere, coupled with your previous actions just makes me wish we were voting you instead of Ishy tbh.

[Red2111]

kiv get out of my head and stop ninja'ng my posts

[Graendals favourite]

Yea, lastly, here I agree with kivam, sak truly is our best confirmed innocent. Wouldn't have been an issue without me writing, but I do think I came out of nowhere.

[Kivam]

Guys, this continues to be ridiculous. If people aren't interested in playing, I don't need to spend time on it. It's too late for today, but could we please get multiple trains going tomorrow, and before the deadline?

 

Unvote. Vote Ishy.

[Graendals favourite]

I will not vote Ishy, I feel he is town!

[Kivam]

I will not vote Ishy, I feel he is town!

 

Doesn't matter. He's been hammered, and losing a roleless townie - he'd better be roleless after self voting - is better than a random lynch that might take out the doc, cop, or Sakaea

[Graendals favourite]

It is completely ridiculous that we cannot get another lynch train going. We are hamstringing ourselves going forward.

 

I will be around at deadline and will hammer if necessary, but for the love of God, people, start playing this game!

 

(BTW, GF - I have absolutely no idea what your posts meant. Could you break it down, please? And throwing a vote on someone who has 0 votes, 3 hours before deadline, is an absurdly scummy play.)

Oh, I can break it down. Imagine the scheme of no night kill the first night. The healer might assume themselves targeted. So they are revealed, though any cautious, experienced player will not do so. What is Moon's profile? Is she experienced or gotten lynched early? So Moon, it would fit very well, not full coordination, she reveals an early doc, always suspect, after all for the mafia side the symp is expendable. So then there's a plan presented, or rather prepared, that the real doc is brought to the fore, then, lynch Sak who is obviously town, lynch moon who is a symp though made innacurasies, and finally lynch the real doc! A realistic plan. And mafia didn't know there was a symp, I feel this was a bit forced. That is the theory.

[Graendals favourite]

And for his late actions, of course I won't be night killed now, Kivam is even more suspect, just in case I can't post more.

[Graendals favourite]

Look at strange things, none of town will have them happen. This time around Red is suspect!