[Advanced Mafia] Black Ajah - GAME OVER!

[Phelix]

While I am here, I'd also like to point something out: Song and Berfs.

 

Both voted for me for rather thin reasons, and of the people who have voted for me they're the only ones who haven't responded to my critiques of their reasoning. Song hasn't even posted in this thread since her vote, about 23 hours ago. Berfs replied once after his vote to poke Alanna to update the vote count, and has been silent since then... about 18-19 hours.

 

Now, for those of you who are convinced I'm scum, this doesn't mean much. But, if/when you lynch me and find out that I'm a townie like I said, please do remember this. Suspicious is suspicious, no?

 

lol I gave the same reasons everyone else is giving before they gave it. I wouldn't call that thin. I saw no reason to respond to your post, it would be redundant. I think you are the best lynch for day 1. It would give us the most information at this point, plus I believe you to be scum. I love how you're trying to set up the next lynches already dear

 

Except your reasons were the three thing, agreeing with Berfs who said I jumped down Aust's throat (which any reasonable person would agree is a stretch), and you said I was going "over and over" the same things when I'd made one post and replied to the reply of that post on the topic of Aust and my vote for him.

 

The over and over, and "it's the same dance" were blatant stretching of the facts. You didn't feel any need to defend that point?

 

Yes, I'd say your reasons for voting for me were thin. Beyond that, you wove reasons for voting for me in with reasons to vote for other players in two lengthy posts, and then when questioned were silent for almost a full day. Yes, I'd call that suspicious.

 

And yes, I'm pointing out all the flaws in the votes against me and the suspicious behavior in those votes, because if I don't speak before I get lynched I don't get to speak. I said I wouldn't go quietly, and I'm not.

 

I might be wrong in my assessments... people make mistakes, but I would like to get my thoughts out there so that the surviving townies can read them after I've been lynched.

[berf]

One man's jumping down a throat is another's ...er... calm and rational response.

 

I voted you because to me, the Rule of 3 thing stands out. It's a hunch. All the explination surrounding it just gives me the impression that you are sure you are going down, but trying to maintain a role to seed doubt within us townies until the very end.

 

I've been watching the thread, but didn't have too much else to contribute, so I remained mute. Didn't want to spam it up with more Beiber-isms. I can bring that back if everyone likes? No? Thought as such.

 

 

 

 

On the off chance ut turns out that Phelix is TOWN, that would suck. But as it stands, my radar is still pinging Phelix. The quicker he is gone, the quicker we get info either way.

 

Cold? Yes. Scummy? No.

[Talmanes]

Well with this many votes it appears everyone has made up their decision, and there is no point in dragging out day 1 if no one is going to change their mind.

Unvote Blackhoof

Vote Phelix

I still think Blackhoof is way scummier, but that lynch is obviously not going to happen at this point.

Needless to say though, if Phelix is innocent, like I think he probably will be at this point, I will be looking very closely at the people who tried hardest to get him lynched.

[Blackhoof]

look, in all seriousness, we need to lynch someone today. preferably soon, before alanna forcibly moves us forward. i think that we should lynch a person that so many of us have found even remotely scummy. there are a few candidates; me, phelix, and aust being chief amongst them. clearly it appears as though that person is going to be phelix. i truly hope that he is scum, although day 1 lynches rarely are.

[csarmi]

The lynch on Phelix is building up very fast. I find that strange.

I disagree with Blackhoof about being in such a hurry, too.

Still, I don't think other lynch would happen today and several people pointed out that it would give us a lot of information. I can't see how, but he did talk a lot, I have to agree on that.

[csarmi]

You know what?

This day has been going long enough.

 

VOTE Phelix

[Red2111]

i agree with Talm. Blackie is the scummier of the two, yet people seem to be going all tunnel vision on Phelix which isn't good even if he does turn out to be scum thats slipped up. if we act like this on every lynch, the scum will be able to easily direct our movements you guys.

 

i'd like to have dragged this out a little longer, to pressure Blackie a bit more; but at this point with him being L-1 i don't see how anyone will change their minds.

 

 

UNVOTE

VOTE: PHELIX

 

 

well, the way i see it, town outnumber scum 4/1, so w3e can AFFORD to lose at least 3 town for every 1 scum. its not that i LIKE that a townie is probably gonna get lynched today, (there is a 3/4 chance since we usually lynch without real evidence) but we can AFFOrd the loss, in a war of attrition, the scum lose. i am merely saying that if phelix is town and dies, it is not a big deal. it is only a big deal if he is a good role, hence my question. besides, if he revealed his role and his lynch swelled suddenly, we know who to look at for scum....

 

 

imo, any townie lost is one townie too many. the scum have a major advatage in the game as they can not only try to sway the lynch toward a townie, but they also have a NK. in this game, we have an even harder problem of it, because there are sure to be more than one scum team; which means multiple townies are gonna die every night.

 

while phelix gives us the most info, and Day 1 is generally more about getting info than snagging a scum; i'd perfer to lynch someone like you who is not only really scummy but would also give us alot of info.

 

it's not only losing roles that you have to worry about, it's also a numbers game too.

[DrewRiley]

Talmanes - Why vote for Phelix if you don't think he's scum? It's really early, there's no pressure for us to lynch this quickly, and you should really only vote someone you think is scum. That's really really fishy to me.

 

And blackhoof isn't helping himself by trying to rush this - there's no deadline, Alanna wasn't going to end the day abruptly or anything! Damn if I had come here before the hammer I might have unvoted just to keep the day going a little longer. Fast lynch people! Hope we were right.

[hotpocket2006]

look, in all seriousness, we need to lynch someone today. preferably soon, before alanna forcibly moves us forward. i think that we should lynch a person that so many of us have found even remotely scummy. there are a few candidates; me, phelix, and aust being chief amongst them. clearly it appears as though that person is going to be phelix. i truly hope that he is scum, although day 1 lynches rarely are.

 

I find this quote very interesting. Most of the time it's good to wait until the mod forces the deadline, that's how I normally see it in games with no deadline day 1 because there's no point in rushing Day 1 if you don't have to. He also points a few people who looks scummy, including himself, and then throws out the I hope Phelix really is scum, but Day 1 lynches rarely are so it doesn't really matter. I don't like this post at all.

[Talmanes]

Talmanes - Why vote for Phelix if you don't think he's scum? It's really early, there's no pressure for us to lynch this quickly, and you should really only vote someone you think is scum. That's really really fishy to me.

 

And blackhoof isn't helping himself by trying to rush this - there's no deadline, Alanna wasn't going to end the day abruptly or anything! Damn if I had come here before the hammer I might have unvoted just to keep the day going a little longer. Fast lynch people! Hope we were right.

It's just like I said in my post. It had been obvious that the town had decided on Phelix. Basically there were two choices: keep my vote on Blackhoof, drag out the day longer, and still have Phelix be lynched, meaning my vote would have been wasted, or, I could speed up the process and have the day end with the same result a littl faster.

In ny opinion, when it is obvious who will get lynched, there is no point in dragging it out longer.

[DrewRiley]

Talmanes - Why vote for Phelix if you don't think he's scum? It's really early, there's no pressure for us to lynch this quickly, and you should really only vote someone you think is scum. That's really really fishy to me.

 

And blackhoof isn't helping himself by trying to rush this - there's no deadline, Alanna wasn't going to end the day abruptly or anything! Damn if I had come here before the hammer I might have unvoted just to keep the day going a little longer. Fast lynch people! Hope we were right.

It's just like I said in my post. It had been obvious that the town had decided on Phelix. Basically there were two choices: keep my vote on Blackhoof, drag out the day longer, and still have Phelix be lynched, meaning my vote would have been wasted, or, I could speed up the process and have the day end with the same result a littl faster.

In ny opinion, when it is obvious who will get lynched, there is no point in dragging it out longer.

 

I understand that, but I would argue that no lynch is determined until it's over. In a game with 40 people and one person has 18 votes, that lynch might be close to determined, but we only need ten votes and Blackhoof had, what, 4, Phelix 7 or 8? I don't suspect you of anything, I just think we all have room to stand next to our opinions, especially with no deadline.

[Alanna]

Vote Count:

Aust (2) - Meesh, Phelix

Meesh (1) - Thorum

Red (2) - Player, Wombat

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song, Blackhoof, Tynaal, Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

Blackhoof (1) - Krak

 

Not Voting (1): Mav, leelou

 

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

 

That's a lynch. Results coming up...

[Alanna]

The lights were low in the White Tower. It was late, and many of the novices were in already fast asleep in bed. But in the heart of the Tower, twenty-three women were still awake, still arguing. The Hall of the Tower was convened, and a potential traitor stood in their midst. As the arguments drew to a close, and a decision was reached, the accused faced them, resigned but still defiant. "I see I can say nothing to change your minds," she said, "but you're making a mistake."

 

She was right: the Hall had reached its decision, the greater consensus stood for it. She was stilled and executed.

 

(Phelix) Saerin, Brown Ajah, has been lynched.

 

It is now Night. Please submit your actions by Friday, April 1 @ 10AM CST.

[Phelix]

Bah post:

 

All of you who said I was pinging you as scum should go recalibrate your pingers.

 

*stalks off into the WoT afterlife twitching a brown fringed shawl*

[berf]

Snap. That sucks.

 

 

Well, let's look at the debris then.

 

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song, Blackhoof, Tynaal, Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

 

3 or 6 (if we follow the 'heart rule of 3') of the above are scum.

 

I can vouch for myself, I get bad vibes from Blackhoof, the rest it's a bit early for me to tell.

[Aust]

Provided there is an NK tonight that is. If there is an NK we can confirm the following as innocent:

 

Meesh

Thorum

Player

Wombat

Krak

Mav

Leelou

 

 

It will be interesting to see if the scum would sacrifice an NK in order to keep us guessing about who is innocent, and have the game run only by lynches.

[hotpocket2006]

I saw the brown, and at first it looked red to me and I was super happy, then I actually read it and realized it was brown. Phail. Sorry Phelix.

 

 

There you go again Aust *rolls eyes* and if there's two scum teams, which there probably is, and only one NK then obviously it doesn't rule anyone out.

[Blackhoof]

well, i cant say that i am surprised, but i feel for poor phelix. his logic would have been a valuable asset to the light.

 

as song said, we cannot assume that there is only one scum team, but there wouldn't be more than two so if there are two NK's, we now that the people on your list are innocent, if there is one or none, however, it means nothing.

 

i actually think that there MUST be at least two anti-town or at least one neutral team to confuse us and prevent us from catching the scum by like, Day 5. this is a complicated game and i can imagine alanna doing something like that. she seems crafty and mean :P ;)

[Aust]

I saw the brown, and at first it looked red to me and I was super happy, then I actually read it and realized it was brown. Phail. Sorry Phelix.

 

 

There you go again Aust *rolls eyes* and if there's two scum teams, which there probably is, and only one NK then obviously it doesn't rule anyone out.

 

Don't roll your eyes back too far or they'll get stuck that way ;)

 

And, fair enough. For some reason I was thinking only one team because it would seem really unbalanced to have 2 teams of scum among the 10 people who voted.

[Blackhoof]

true, but vthat is probably the point. if there waso only one team then it would be easy to cross-reference lynches and night kills to get a pretty good idea of who was mafia. to avoid being found out the mafia would have to bevery tactical with their votes and nightkills, sacrificing some to throw suspicion off teammates, etc. this makes it a bit unfair to the scum team, so i reackon either they all have good roles to compensate, there are 2 teams of them, or their are more than ordinary.

 

no way to prove it, though, so it is merely conjecture.

[Red2111]

I saw the brown, and at first it looked red to me and I was super happy, then I actually read it and realized it was brown. Phail. Sorry Phelix.

 

 

There you go again Aust *rolls eyes* and if there's two scum teams, which there probably is, and only one NK then obviously it doesn't rule anyone out.

 

exactly

 

 

Don't roll your eyes back too far or they'll get stuck that way ;)

 

And, fair enough. For some reason I was thinking only one team because it would seem really unbalanced to have 2 teams of scum among the 10 people who voted.

 

it depends on how many teams we have, and how many people they have on their team. in the OP we have 5 groups talked about

 

1st is in Chanland. it talks abotu a group of 11 who are armed with stolen objects of the power. it also talks about a Forsaken guiding their actions, and that the group itself is cruel, dangerous & unstable. so i think that we can assume that 11 of us probably have "objects of the power" maybe these are roles of some type. all 11 can't be on a single scum team, and with a single forsaken directing their actions ... to me this suggests cult.

 

 

2nd we have Andor. Elayne is surrounded by the Kin & AS but there are some in her ranks that want to kill her. maybe one scum team has a win condition of some type on Elyane's head ... it also hints at a mason group as well; with the whole surrounded bit. if this is the case, one of the Masons are likely to be scum or have a traitor role of some type.

 

 

3rd we have the WT. Elaida is in control but is being led aroudn by the BA (*cough* Alverian *cough* ) it talks abotut heir influence being limitless and exerting contorl over thrones. possibly a conection of some sort to a re-director or maybe some type of influence of Elayne ... i dunno

 

 

4th we have Rand. he has people wanting to control him (Eladia possibly given the control aspect of the OP ), others are sworn to him (Elayne is sworn to him in a way ... with the Bond and everything) and those who want to advise him. it also talks about the DO agents are always near him, watching him. this one i'm unsure of, as too what it means.

 

 

5th we have the little tower headed by Egwene. the forsaken hidden among them is Aran'gar/Hamila (via WoT knowledge) we also know that her keeper, Sheriam, is also BA. it speaks directly of the Forsaken causing murder in the camp.

 

 

 

so from this we can assume the following

 

- 2 forsaken in the game (Aran'gar & Semi; i think Semi was the forsaken over in chan land)

- possible cult (directed by Semi)

- 11 players in the game have angreal/ter'angreal/san'angreal that likely given them their powers/roles

- possible usurper role who has a win condition attached to Elayne

- possible Mason group surrounding Elayne as well

- talks about a single killer, Aran'gar; so possible SK

- Rand is being watched

- talks about a controling type power used by Eladia (or possible Alvarian); so possibley a puppeteer, vote controller or role controller.

 

 

 

so i think from this, we can assume there will be 2 NK's each night (assuming the scum doesn't forego their NK) as well as a recruit. and that if there is a Mason group, that one in their numbers cannot be trusted.

 

 

 

this is ofcourse, assuming Alanna gave us hints in the OP.

[berf]

How much of our role/character can we reveal?

 

I know it was said earlier by yourself red that we can talk about it as long as we don't quote the OP/Private role message... But no-one is forthcoming saying I am blah blah...

 

I can only assume this is in fear of nightkill from the BA amongst us, upon thought.

 

Hrmm.

[Red2111]

typically people dont reveal until their goignto be Lynched (like at L-1 or L-3)

 

as for how much of our role/character we can revela. read the rules; if you still have a question then PM the mod. i don't want to say "you can do this" then that not being so and you end up getting MKd for it

 

 

on a personal note, i never like the idea of reveal info or casing people during the night. if you reveal and have an important role, you don't know if you'll get healer protection as they might have already sent in their NA; and it gives the scum an easier choice for a kill.

 

with casing people at night; if you're casing an innocent, the scum can NK the person you FOS in an attempt to frame you and get you lynched.

[csarmi]

Red, I find your analysis very interesting, but, unfortunately, I can't understand half of it. Would you like to elaborate? Write it down more clearly?

[csarmi]

What is a 'cult'? What are masons? What is Chanland?

Do you suggest we have 11 black ajah among us?

 

If there are several anti-town groups, roles and all that, would they be aligned somehow?

Would they KNOW each other?

 

Cause what came to mind is this: in a normal game if you reveal your role, you might become targeted.

If you just say you're vanilla townie, you don't give much extra information to anyone, not even to the Maffia. Sure, if they believe you, they are more likely to target the doc/cop.

 

Here, however, they could be lacking much more information. I don't think it's a good idea to give them any, especially at nightfall.

 

Do I make sense?