[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Osangar-Mafia]

Balthamel, I understand your suspicions, and only a great fool would not have thought of them. I know I fully expected them, and a few votes to boot. However, is there any way, given my statements, for the mafia to wiggle through to get the information from voting patterns? If not, then I am not any less trustworthy than my fellow forsaken. If there is, we really need to discuss because sealing up the gaps is vital to the town.

 

Of course, do not forget, there was no other way for me to get the warning I saw out to the town without dully notifying the Fire Nation. If I were Fire Nation, why would I say these things instead of leaving them as an ace in the hole?

 

I think since their goal is the Avatar, they'd have a secondary finder type. I would think (ok, hope) a handicap would be in place. Thoughts?

[Osangar-Mafia]

Kivam, is the vote count correct? Dashiva gets two votes? In that case, as I am always leery of double voters, UNVOTE; VOTE DASHIVA. If it's a mistake, I'll change somewhere else later.

[Kivam]

Current Vote Count

 

Demandred (1) - Taim

Taim (1) - Demandred

Halima (1) - Ishamael

Lanfear (6) - Belal, Moghedien, ShaidarHaran, Moridin, Asmodean, Mesaana

Moridin (1) - Semirhage

Aginor (1) - Osangar

Cyndane (2) - Halima, Aginor

Osangar (1) - Dashiva

Asmodean (3) - Lanfear, Sammael, Mordeth

Balthamel (1) - Cyndane

 

11 to lynch

[Kivam]

Kivam, is the vote count correct? Dashiva gets two votes? In that case, as I am always leery of double voters, UNVOTE; VOTE DASHIVA. If it's a mistake, I'll change somewhere else later.

 

Sorry, that's a mistake. Also, you forgot to bold, so that doesn't count anyway

[Taim-Mafia]

Some interesting posts coming out of the woodwork now. I have to admit Im now more suspicious of Lanfear, it seems to me more like your revealing abilities we dare not lose just to move lynch votes. Now this could be genuine but it gets my radar pinging when people reveal this early so youve just moved high up on my list.

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

Knowing most of the people who signed up for this game aren't totally new to it (along with several very experienced players), I am a bit amused by the fact that so many people are looking so closely at who bandwaggoned without reason. I am more intrigued by the people who bandwaggoned WITH reason, especially those very loose reasons that are very easy to talk your way out of later in the game if they are brought up again. Most experienced players know mindless votes will be looked at, but also know not to say too much about thinking a townie is definitely scum. Granted, there could of course be a less experienced mafia team, but this is just something that clicked with me. So many of you are vocalizing looking at the mindless, when you know mafia are going to think through every little step.

[Demandred-Mafia]

UNVOTE for now, there's no need for a placeholder atm.

 

I don't know, I agree with treating the Avatar like everyone else, keeps them out of the mafia's view: we should do our best to be neutral about the situation and hope they aren't very lucky.

 

As for Lanfear, I'll wait and watch you a little bit more before trusting your claim, but I'll go with it for now, and Asmodean? Fifth vote on Lanfear? Bandwagons, in general, are a good way to get some pressure on people to see how they fold. Looking at it again, it is a jokey cover up, but I'd like to carefully place my vote today so I'll wait to hear from Asmo first. Maybe he can sing us a gleeman's song?

[Balthamel-Mafia]

*drums fingers idly* After my re-read of the thread, I have to say that I find Asmodean's vote on Lanfear to be more of a running joke. It’s a widely debated topic for who killed him, and a lot of us first suspected it to be Lanfear. Mesaana is another who I do find to be slightly scummy (mostly for the reasons cited by Lanfear), and the only other person to stand out Hamila with her fishing for who is posting behind the alt accounts. Post’s #32 & #43

 

Oh, one more thing I’d appreciate clarification on Lanfear dear. Why are you calling Hamila a He in post #57. I realize of course you claim to have mistakenly put Be'lal's name in that post; but if this were a genuine mistake as you claim, why also mix up the gender of the one you were targeting? One might assume this could be a Freudian mistake due to the fact that you and Hamila are on a team?

Another point I noticed during my re-read was the time at which Osangar decided to introduce his idea concerning votes & the Avatar. I bring this up because my intuition is claiming that this might be a distraction technique of sorts. Notice that the idea is brought forward after the votes have escalated on Lanfear, that her first post is agree with the idea in a way that pushes this issue to the forefront of the game, and then is coinciding with her reveal.

 

Balthamel, I understand your suspicions, and only a great fool would not have thought of them. I know I fully expected them, and a few votes to boot. However, is there any way, given my statements, for the mafia to wiggle through to get the information from voting patterns? If not, then I am not any less trustworthy than my fellow forsaken. If there is, we really need to discuss because sealing up the gaps is vital to the town.

 

Of course, do not forget, there was no other way for me to get the warning I saw out to the town without dully notifying the Fire Nation. If I were Fire Nation, why would I say these things instead of leaving them as an ace in the hole?

 

I think since their goal is the Avatar, they'd have a secondary finder type. I would think (ok, hope) a handicap would be in place. Thoughts?

 

*chuckles fondly* My friend, the words Trust and Forsaken should only be placed together if the words 'Do Not" come before them. After all we did forsake the trust of our Age to become Chosen. Surely, some warnings are best left unsaid; I'm not chiding you, to be sure, but we don't know how experienced the mafia is in this game. It may not have occurred to them to use this method of deduction, especially if you’re correct that they have a finder of some sort.

 

In the show, the Avatar was tracked by two different methods. The firs was Appa's hair, Azula was able to follow the trail for a while in the beginning of Season Two; then Azula also employed a bounty hunter named June to track the Avatar. Even so, whether the scum has a way to track or find the Avatar is out of our hands. I believe a more important question to ponder is that since we have a confirmed innocent with a win condition on their heads, how has Kivam compensated for that. Has he in some way restricted us that would benefit the mafia greatly?

 

*grins wickedly* As for why you would mention this if you were scum, we'll haven't you ever heard of a helpful Mafia. By "helping" us, you assume you gain our trust and therefore believe you are more likely to fly under some player’s radar. Again, my suspicious nature prevents this; but there is an answer to your question. In the case of what you suggest, I'd prefer to follow Demandreds’ words for once and, as he so eloquently put it, "Let the Lord of Chaos rule".

 

 

Knowing most of the people who signed up for this game aren't totally new to it (along with several very experienced players), I am a bit amused by the fact that so many people are looking so closely at who bandwaggoned without reason. I am more intrigued by the people who bandwaggoned WITH reason, especially those very loose reasons that are very easy to talk your way out of later in the game if they are brought up again. Most experienced players know mindless votes will be looked at, but also know not to say too much about thinking a townie is definitely scum. Granted, there could of course be a less experienced mafia team, but this is just something that clicked with me. So many of you are vocalizing looking at the mindless, when you know mafia are going to think through every little step.

 

You know, i cannot place my finger on it, but something about the above post stands out. It's more of a gut feeling, but I do believe I'll be watching you much more closely in the future.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

I think since their goal is the Avatar, they'd have a secondary finder type. I would think (ok, hope) a handicap would be in place. Thoughts?

 

On the contrary, I think the mafia's goal is to win normally. The more we rolefish or second guess the game mechanics, the more trouble we can find ourselves in. My humble opinion is to play this game as any other mafia game, and address issues as they come up. The more "instruction" we give the town on how to hide/vote for/not vote for/interact with the Avatar, the more likely a slip-up is to be made.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

As for Lanfear, I'll wait and watch you a little bit more before trusting your claim, but I'll go with it for now, and Asmodean? Fifth vote on Lanfear? Bandwagons, in general, are a good way to get some pressure on people to see how they fold. Looking at it again, it is a jokey cover up, but I'd like to carefully place my vote today so I'll wait to hear from Asmo first. Maybe he can sing us a gleeman's song?

 

I, too, wouldn't mind a post from Asmodean regarding his vote. "Jokey cover ups" can be exactly that - a cover up for something much more.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Yes, let's really start playing. I dislike drive by voting as much as I dislike Lanfear's too obvious attempt at cozying up to me. It's rather a shame SOMEONE bought into that overused ploy.

 

Balthamel, Rahvin, the redundancy of those stances rather irks me. Every time I see those regurgitated ideals, I see them proven wrong. The town's only defense is working together. Keeping secrets means we aren't doing that. Is it worse to say it and fix it or not say it and have it used against us because we weren't prepared? Redundant again to suggest that we shouldn't worry over mechanics. It's not like engine of a car matters; it doesn't make the thing go or anything.

 

In point of fact, one might say that the only thing the town has to build on is mechanics and teamwork. It takes time to get the rest, and without a base...

 

No, I don't agree with the shoot from the hip stance since it keeps you on your heels instead of your toes. I'd rather not fall.

 

Rahvin, I don't suggest directing the actions toward the Avatar. I suggested acting normally to prevent arousing suspicions. Aka don't avoid voting for him in the hopes of snagging someone who does because once you have your cards are all laid out.

 

Balthamel, you got me. You know me, I see. *Shrug* Can you find an actual problem with my idea, or are all of your excuses just pedantic? You already know the counter for the only real problem you state is to avoid trusting me just because I handed out useful advice. 'Tis expected and anything else would be questionable. Accepting good advice, on the other hand, is not.

[Osangar-Mafia]

@ Kivam: I suppose it's a good thing we both messed up then.

 

UNVOTE

 

@Balthamel: I saw I missed a point. The timing of my comment was predicated by the timing of my work and ability to post. Nothing more. Once I realized it, I wanted to get it out before a lynch and night session (Go go Gadget Finder!). We have time to deal with it as we go; it does not have to be forefront yet.

[Aginor-Mafia]

UNVOTE

 

I am leaning towards an Asmodean vote but I'd love to hear from him first. At the moment I semi-trust Lanfear and Semirhage because they make sense to me. Everyone is still on the suspicious list of course but they are near the bottom for now.

[Rita Skeeter]

I know I would like to hear more from Asmodean too. For now I am keeping my vote where it is.

[Lanfear-Mafia]

To Balthamel:

 

Yes, Lanfear is aware about the Fire Nation's preoccupation with nations. Lanfear also would like to add that Lanfear was warned to be careful, since nation does not necessarily correspond to alignment. This makes sense to Lanfear, since Lanfear thinks that in the one episode of the show that Lanfear saw a long time ago, there was one Fire Nation character who seemed like a decent dude.

 

Also, Lanfear is talking in Lanfear's own way out of her own volition. Lanfear will prove this with Lanfear's next post. As for why, Lanfear enjoys having a bit of fun with the alts. In addition, Lanfear also considers the strategic aspects . . . though it has almost backfired on Lanfear more than once due to general stupidity by the town (i.e. "You annoy so I'll lynch you.").

 

 

To Mordeth:

 

Lanfear revealed early because Lanfear always reveals earlier than L-1. Lanfear has learned not to rely on the awareness of the town or the generosity of the mafia when close to a lynch, so Lanfear revealed sooner rather than later.

 

 

- Lanfear

 

[Lanfear-Mafia]

I can post without using the third person. Yay.

 

I also can post without signing my own name. Double yay.

 

Plus, I can post without using any smileys whatsoever. I bet none of you can multitask like this.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

For now your "reveal" has made enough sense for me not keep my vote on you

 

UNVOTE

 

What should I do now... I cant decide who to vote for so ill leave it but ill be back before the deadline (Well ill almost certainly be back)

[Kivam]

For now your "reveal" has made enough sense for me not keep my vote on you

 

UNVOTE

 

What should I do now... I cant decide who to vote for so ill leave it but ill be back before the deadline (Well ill almost certainly be back)

 

Reminder - Day 1 has no deadline

 

 

Read the rules, people

[Kivam]

Current Vote Count

 

Demandred (1) - Taim

Taim (1) - Demandred

Halima (1) - Ishamael

Lanfear (5) - Belal, Moghedien, ShaidarHaran, Moridin, Asmodean

Moridin (1) - Semirhage

Cyndane (1) - Halima

Osangar (1) - Dashiva

Asmodean (3) - Lanfear, Sammael, Mordeth

Balthamel (1) - Cyndane

 

11 to lynch

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I too would like to hear from Asmodean, until then VOTE: HAMILA.

 

On the contrary, I think the mafia's goal is to win normally. The more we rolefish or second guess the game mechanics, the more trouble we can find ourselves in. My humble opinion is to play this game as any other mafia game, and address issues as they come up. The more "instruction" we give the town on how to hide/vote for/not vote for/interact with the Avatar, the more likely a slip-up is to be made.

 

Aside from the part of what the Mafia's goal is, I agree with the above statements' sentiment. To add further to this notion, the more we plan amongst ourselves in the open about how to keep the Avatar hidden, the easier it will be for the Fire nation to spot the pattern. Now, if we have a group of Villagers who can communicate between themselves, please by all means devise a plan to help keep the Avatar alive. I feel that any benefit gained from discussing this on the game thread is countered by the fact that the fire nation knows our plan.

 

 

Yes, let's really start playing. I dislike drive by voting as much as I dislike Lanfear's too obvious attempt at cozying up to me. It's rather a shame SOMEONE bought into that overused ploy.

 

Balthamel, Rahvin, the redundancy of those stances rather irks me. Every time I see those regurgitated ideals, I see them proven wrong. The town's only defense is working together. Keeping secrets means we aren't doing that. Is it worse to say it and fix it or not say it and have it used against us because we weren't prepared? Redundant again to suggest that we shouldn't worry over mechanics. It's not like engine of a car matters; it doesn't make the thing go or anything.

 

In point of fact, one might say that the only thing the town has to build on is mechanics and teamwork. It takes time to get the rest, and without a base...

 

No, I don't agree with the shoot from the hip stance since it keeps you on your heels instead of your toes. I'd rather not fall.

 

Rahvin, I don't suggest directing the actions toward the Avatar. I suggested acting normally to prevent arousing suspicions. Aka don't avoid voting for him in the hopes of snagging someone who does because once you have your cards are all laid out.

 

Balthamel, you got me. You know me, I see. *Shrug* Can you find an actual problem with my idea, or are all of your excuses just pedantic? You already know the counter for the only real problem you state is to avoid trusting me just because I handed out useful advice. 'Tis expected and anything else would be questionable. Accepting good advice, on the other hand, is not.

 

*raises eyebrows* See now I must confess that you are becoming much more suspicious by the minute. I would like clarification on your first sentence if you wouldn't mind, because I could swear that sounds almost like an attempt at distancing ones self. I do find it odd that you are only acting on it now though, her "obvious" attempt to cozy up to you. Why not say something when she did it, why only now after someone has pointed it out?

 

Your continued obsession with actions involving the Avatar is suspicious. The only people in this game who are concerned with the actions & where about of the Avatar are, in fact, the Fire Nation. I can think of one character who was a bit overly obsessed with the Avatar, so this is what gives me pause; while he turned out to be good in the end, one cannot deny he's intentions where that of an enemy for all but the last half of Season 3.

 

Also, you contradict yourself with this portion of your post

 

"I don't suggest directing the actions toward the Avatar. I suggested acting normally to prevent arousing suspicions."

 

In actuality you are attempting to direct actions towards the Avatar by suggesting we decide how we will vote concerning the Avatar and those who vote for him. By doing this, it does prevent us from playing normally.

 

*chuckles* Pedantic? Surely not, a better word might be cautious. I never said that I intended to ignore your advice; on the contrary I stated that it was good advice to keep in the back of ones mind. I am, however, wary of what strings might be attached to this advice you so freely give; we Forsaken are not known for our generosity and, after all, every thing we do comes with a price.

 

*yawns and stretches* I do become bored with a rounded conversation, it leaves such a stale taste on the tongue. Might I implore the rest of the players to voice their opinions on the topic so we can move on to more important issues. This is rather distracting and deters part of my intellect from shifting out scum.

 

 

To Balthamel:

 

Yes, Lanfear is aware about the Fire Nation's preoccupation with nations. Lanfear also would like to add that Lanfear was warned to be careful, since nation does not necessarily correspond to alignment. This makes sense to Lanfear, since Lanfear thinks that in the one episode of the show that Lanfear saw a long time ago, there was one Fire Nation character who seemed like a decent dude.

 

Also, Lanfear is talking in Lanfear's own way out of her own volition. Lanfear will prove this with Lanfear's next post. As for why, Lanfear enjoys having a bit of fun with the alts. In addition, Lanfear also considers the strategic aspects . . . though it has almost backfired on Lanfear more than once due to general stupidity by the town (i.e. "You annoy so I'll lynch you.").

 

 

To Mordeth:

 

Lanfear revealed early because Lanfear always reveals earlier than L-1. Lanfear has learned not to rely on the awareness of the town or the generosity of the mafia when close to a lynch, so Lanfear revealed sooner rather than later.

 

 

- Lanfear

 

 

*smiles fondly* Ah yes, I too have been enjoying "playing" the role of my alternate account; I had deduced as much, but wanted clarification more for your benefit than mine own. Admittedly, it does set me at ease to know there is no such Post Restriction on Day 1 which forces users to post as if they are entertaining impotent mortals on that "As the Forsaken" mockery. *shakes head* Such petty insolence, really. I'm told they find it humorous as well; let them have their fun though, they will learn the error of their ways soon enough.

 

 

However, this doesn't discount the defensiveness of your posts towards those who voted for you. Something to note, but I'm more comfortable with my vote where it is for now.

 

((OOC: I love the "Ask the Forsaken" When's it coming back?))

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Balthamel, Rahvin, the redundancy of those stances rather irks me. Every time I see those regurgitated ideals, I see them proven wrong. The town's only defense is working together. Keeping secrets means we aren't doing that. Is it worse to say it and fix it or not say it and have it used against us because we weren't prepared? Redundant again to suggest that we shouldn't worry over mechanics. It's not like engine of a car matters; it doesn't make the thing go or anything.

 

In point of fact, one might say that the only thing the town has to build on is mechanics and teamwork. It takes time to get the rest, and without a base...

 

No, I don't agree with the shoot from the hip stance since it keeps you on your heels instead of your toes. I'd rather not fall.

 

Rahvin, I don't suggest directing the actions toward the Avatar. I suggested acting normally to prevent arousing suspicions. Aka don't avoid voting for him in the hopes of snagging someone who does because once you have your cards are all laid out.

 

In your use of pretty vocab words, don't forget to use them correctly. In no way is the bold above redundant. Balthy was continuing your talk of mechanics - I was going in the opposite direction. Last I checked, that did not qualify as redundant. Of course, the definition could have changed since I was last in this world. ^_^

 

 

Read the rules, people

 

You realize that's asking a lot from some people, right? ;-)

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

I too would like to hear from Asmodean, until then VOTE: HAMILA.

 

Psst...it's "Halima".

[Kivam]

PMs are down - the site is in performance mode at the moment. Until they come back, feel free to email me (akiva.m.cohen@gmail.com) with questions or actions

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

No rest for the wicked, it seems.

 

I grow uneasy at the continued debate of what to do concerning the Avatar. Can we not leave that bread unbuttered?

 

I find myself agreeing too strongly with Balthamel to keep my vote on him. However, that alone makes me question whether I should remove it. Hmmm...

 

I'll UNVOTE for now, and do a little more digging.

 

More thoughts later.

[Kivam]

Current Vote Count

 

Demandred (1) - Taim

Halima (2) - Ishamael, Balthamel

Lanfear (5) - Belal, Moghedien, ShaidarHaran, Moridin, Asmodean

Moridin (1) - Semirhage

Cyndane (1) - Halima

Osangar (1) - Dashiva

Asmodean (3) - Lanfear, Sammael, Mordeth

 

 

11 to lynch