[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Spadeszee]

 

 

I don't have much on ed. What I noticed from him was really from interactions of other people.

 

Alex had him as his peek. Could go either way.

 

Lzm's interactions with him, or lack thereof, is weird. But meaningless if he's town.

 

Other than that. He's been largely absent. Which is null being I don't know his normal activity level.

How do you put him on your scum list above and then say you don't have anything on him here? This is why I'm voting you. You contradict yourself so much.

I said I didn't have much, not that I didn't have anything.

 

What what I had was subjective. I had lzm and Ed as a pair, mainly because of lzm's lack of interaction with him, even though there's clear history there.

 

Why do you care now and not at D1? This is so fake.

[Cass]

 

CFD to Adella?

 

 

i dont want to

Not gonna fight you

[LedZepMan]

It's been lynched

[Eldrick4221]

D2 is easier to care. More info

[Shad_]

Time's up.

[Shad_]

It is now night. No posting.

[Shad_]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (3) - Adella, Dice/Cass, Spades

 

Dice/Cass (2) - Hallia, Tress

 

Darthe (4) - Eldrick, Shanti, LZM, Tigraine

 

Not Voting: Darthe, ed2funy

 

Darthe has been lynched.

[Shad_]

 

Darthe has been lynched.

 

He was:

 

 

The Toad, Mafia Goon

 

 

 

[Shad_]

[Shad_]

Night 2

 

[ed2funy]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not convinced that this makes you scum, but it's annoying the hell out of me and making it hard to see you as town.

 

I'd like to get other people's opinions on this.

I think you have a valid point.

 

Eld, what do you think of her response to my comment about the choice of NK?

It is odd; I don't recall anyone saying he was their peek, but I could totally be wrong. Maybe some kind of hunting through killing peeks?

QFR

 

It's interesting that she thinks people listed as peeks would be a nk discussion topic.

 

I hadn't really given much thought as to why he was killed myself. It's usually wifom to try and sort that out. Could be he was town read. Could be they thought they saw a subtle seer hint. Could be they wanted to throw us off.

 

What it reminds me of to be honest is when I was mafia in Seph's Diablo game - it was a vanilla + seer game also, and we had a bit of a heated discussion N1 in the QT. AJ had overplayed his hand trying to draw the NK and made it obvious he was vanilla in my opinion, but Besie disagreed. Thane also thought he was not the seer, but did not follow the logic of needing to kill the seer as early as possible so he decided to let Besie submit the kill on AJ while I was asleep.

 

Later in the game I found myself trying to explain away how AJ's fake peek wasn't seer hunt cleared because maybe the mafia wasn't seer hunting.

 

Obviously it's not the same situation, but her attempt to rationalize the choice of kill in that way specifically raises an eyebrow because it brings to mind trying to come up with an explanation why your teammates did something other than the optimal strategy in a seer game.

 

I looked through Redd's ISO in pretty good detail to come up with his list of reads. For mafia to have thought Redd had a better chance of being the seer than anyone else, if they were looking for the seer, every single peek that was left in the thread would have to have been either by a mafia or on a mafia, because the only thing that might have been interpreted as a seer hint was his unexplained thought that "the pretty new girl" was town. His only other town read was Spades, who he had previously called wolfy and voted. Since by my count there were peeks either by or on 10 other players, that's really highly unlikely.

 

Seems more likely to me that they weren't trying to find the seer. That tells me one thing for sure, Darthe is town. Of everyone else left alive, Darthe is the only one that I am confident would not veer off optimal strategy for a seer game and would be able to get his way if a teammate disagreed.

 

If they weren't trying to find the seer, the most likely reasons to kill someone would be 1) that they are clear town and not likely to be lynched (completely not the case for Redd), and 2) that they saw him as a threat.

 

Redd's last reads before EOD:

If i had to guess a 3 person wklf team right now id say

 

Tigraine

LedZepMan

Hallia

While I agree those are 2 reasons they could have chosen Redd, I disagree that they are the most likely. Finding the Seer I will give you, but that's hard on N1 with so much misdirection in the game to protect the seer. More likely, it's a feint. Everyone knows that once someone is nk'd the town will look at who that person was suspicious of. In every game I have been mafia in, we stayed away from those who were suspicious of us because it would too obviously point the finger at us. Now, I'm not scum in this game, so I can't say it for sure, but I'm sure at least 1 person on that team is likely experienced enough to advise against killing someone who was getting close to them. This isn't any more of a guarantee than your speculation, however I find this option much more likely than the 2nd option you presented. And I find it very suspicious that you didn't mention this as an option at all.

 

 

Uhhhh, but I've been mafia before and killed people suspicious of me just to WIFOM that sheet. 

 

I have my issues with Tress saying Darthe is town off of her logic, but the logic you're spouting doesn't add up

[ed2funy]

 

wtf deadline. It wouldn't load at work. Hep, sorry Shad!

[Shad_]

Golden pyramids.  They had triangles on every side.
 
Four triangles.
 
Four golden triangles.
 
The Pig really, really, really loved triangles.
 
The fixation consumed him.  He spent the remainder of the game sitting in the corner drooling.
 
Dice/Cass has been night killed.
 
They were:

 

 

 

The Pig, Vanilla Town

 

 

[Shad_]

 

 

Day 3

 

 

You may post.

[Eldrick4221]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (3) - Adella, Dice/Cass, Spades

 

Dice/Cass (2) - Hallia, Tress

 

Darthe (4) - Eldrick, Shanti, LZM, Tigraine

 

Not Voting: Darthe, ed2funy

 

Darthe has been lynched.

BOOM! That's 2 for 2. Cmon town, let's get a sweep.

 

I'm not lynching anyone on darthe's train today. That cfd at the end was organic and very much towny. I don't see the last scum getting involved in that.

 

That leaves Adella, Spades, Hally, Tress and Ed

 

Still under the assumption that Hally is seer. Peek of spades leaves

 

Adella, Tress and Ed

 

Of these 3, Ed is really the only one I feel bad about.

 

I covered Adella recently. While there's some weirdness, I don't think she's scum.

 

Tress has came a long way from day 1. I feel a lot better about her than I did then.

 

I think now would be the time for a hard claim and we can end this.

[Eldrick4221]

Zebra Mask Guy - Vanilla Town

[Eldrick4221]

I'm trying to wrap my brain around how Hally survived.

 

The 2 obvious reasons are 1) she's scum or 2) scum wants us to think she's scum

 

But if she's not scum, then scum is taking a huge risk on her not being the seer, being both of her peeks are still alive.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't want to see a fast lynch. I want discussion.

 

But because Hally being scum is the bigger reason that makes sense for her to live, I'm gonna start a train there.

 

[V]Hally [/v]

[Eldrick4221]

And if anyone votes me, I will self-vote. I'm sick of being the almost lynch. If you want me gone that bad STILL. Fine. I'll get out of the way so you can focus.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Hallia (1) - Eldrick

 

Not Voting: Songstress, Spadeszee, LedZepMan, Tigraine, Ed, Hallia, Adella, Shanti

 

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Spadeszee]

A few thoughts before I jump into this properly. Hallia and LZM can't both be scum. There is zero reason for her to fake a power role to avoid mislynching a villager as scum. Cass and Dice also said to Hallias "Tress knows what's going on", "neither of you do", which to me stood out as a counter claim to seer. I don't have any explanations right now for anything else, going to dig deep today and see what logic I can pull together.

[Spadeszee]

And if anyone votes me, I will self-vote. I'm sick of being the almost lynch. If you want me gone that bad STILL. Fine. I'll get out of the way so you can focus.

This is what almost got you lynched d1, do some work today, let figure this out.

[Spadeszee]

My instinct before looking at anything is at Tress as scum, almost.

[Hallia]

Guess last nights peek was a waste then. Lol Eld, considering your current vote its tempting.

 

Cass/Dice I viewed for that exact reason, Spades. I'm happy you're here, because having a conf. town who's opinion I trust is amazing.

[Hallia]

Adella is who stands out to me as the only unknown on the Eld train last night.