[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

Cass · May 19, 2017

n0 ed2funny town

i thought it was a slip but her answer was satisfactionary

Alex, if you're caught up what are your current overall thoughts/reads at the moment?

I see questions and nudges, but no commentary/opinions on anyone other than Spadez and Tigs to here.

town:
reddboiler

lean town:

hallia

lean scum but less than spade:

songstress

lean scum:

spade

everyone else is either null because they have posted nothing, or null because they have been equally towny and scummy, which balances it to a null read

Ed obviously wasn't really his peek. I find it interesting that he drops the read on his partial list. Trying to decide what that means for ed. Would Alex be more likely to forget he had named town!ed or forget that he called his teammate town?

I'm leaning that this makes ed town.

Eld, why'd you look at/comment on this before SHC?

Cass · May 19, 2017

Disregard the last one. Redd was killed lol
Seriously? Did you just not look at who was the nk? If you're scum then you're obviously trying your best to appear town, which includes the effort to forget who teammates are and scum hunt, but I find that also tends to make people forget who is who and make slips like this one.

That coupled with your lack of trying to save yourself makes me pretty comfortable with this.

[V]Eldrick[/v]

I had those posts ready to go for hours. Didn't pay attention that it was about Redd until it was posted.

NVM, :rolleyes:

Shad_ · May 19, 2017

Why does DM consistently give me the creepiest adds of anywhere ever?

I'm not going to click to find out what this is, but it looks like the sort of game that should only exist in Japan............

Eldrick4221 · May 19, 2017

Anyone have questions for me before I head off for the night?

Eldrick4221 · May 19, 2017

Why does DM consistently give me the creepiest adds of anywhere ever?

I'm not going to click to find out what this is, but it looks like the sort of game that should only exist in Japan............

#MisterRodgers

Eldrick4221 · May 19, 2017

n0 ed2funny town

i thought it was a slip but her answer was satisfactionary

Alex, if you're caught up what are your current overall thoughts/reads at the moment?

I see questions and nudges, but no commentary/opinions on anyone other than Spadez and Tigs to here.

town:
reddboiler

lean town:

hallia

lean scum but less than spade:

songstress

lean scum:

spade

everyone else is either null because they have posted nothing, or null because they have been equally towny and scummy, which balances it to a null read

Ed obviously wasn't really his peek. I find it interesting that he drops the read on his partial list. Trying to decide what that means for ed. Would Alex be more likely to forget he had named town!ed or forget that he called his teammate town?

I'm leaning that this makes ed town.

Eld, why'd you look at/comment on this before SHC?

Not sure what this has to do with SHC. Ed was alex's peek. He's not SHC by any means.

Also not sure how me saying I had the posts ready to go makes you disregard this.

Can you explain what you're going on about here?

Cass · May 19, 2017

Some thoughts and then I'm gonna have to sleep, big day tomorrow \o/.

WRT Eldrick, I won't fight his lynch, but aorn I'm back and forth on the idea of Eldrick as scum. Spent most of the night trying to figure him out, especially after he didn't self pres at EoD. Logic says you should almost always self protect on D1, since your alignment is the only thing you know. I think I'm stuck on the fact that, D1 of the last game we played, SCUMEldrick voted another Scum buddy because they were looking tied for the lynch. He didn't seem to really hesitate/I read it as a very instinctual/natural move. Went back and ISO'd that , and other games, and tbh the impressions I go were that he's actually more self-preservationary as Scum than Town. So here I pause. It's possible they're WW, but I think he'd be more likely to hammer Alex there to stay in the game /shrug

The relative quietness of the thread, with a big swing towards Eld is also giving me concerns of DADV (Dead Air, Dead Villager) - suggesting wolves are happy enough to stay out of things because Town is messing it up nicely themselves heading in that direction.

He's doing some good solving/work, and hasn't pinged me as much today tbh.

If he IS Town, I think the chance of wolves goes up for

LZM/Ed/Adella/Tigs/Halli

and they're all on my radar at this stage anyway.

I really want reads from these players on more than just Eldrick, I specifically think it's a bad look that Adella/Tigs/Halli pretty much focus their pushes/criticisms on nobody else so far this phase.

Cass · May 19, 2017

n0 ed2funny town

i thought it was a slip but her answer was satisfactionary

Alex, if you're caught up what are your current overall thoughts/reads at the moment?

I see questions and nudges, but no commentary/opinions on anyone other than Spadez and Tigs to here.

town:
reddboiler

lean town:

hallia

lean scum but less than spade:

songstress

lean scum:

spade

everyone else is either null because they have posted nothing, or null because they have been equally towny and scummy, which balances it to a null read

Ed obviously wasn't really his peek. I find it interesting that he drops the read on his partial list. Trying to decide what that means for ed. Would Alex be more likely to forget he had named town!ed or forget that he called his teammate town?

I'm leaning that this makes ed town.

Eld, why'd you look at/comment on this before SHC?

Not sure what this has to do with SHC. Ed was alex's peek. He's not SHC by any means.

Also not sure how me saying I had the posts ready to go makes you disregard this.

Can you explain what you're going on about here?

TLDR I'm tired.

Remembering that as I was re-reading through, the focus and order of your posts contradicted my own thought process and it stood out.

When I was looking at Alex ISO I was looking at actions/interactions more than reads, and coming into the thread waiting for the NK flip this morning, the first new things I went back to check were wrt Redd, not Alex. From there brain jumped to 'and who scum list as their peek is so ???WIFOM??? a thing to look at before who could be SHC'. I totally didn't factor in posts being prewritten overnight.

Eldrick4221 · May 19, 2017

Gotcha

Eldrick4221 · May 19, 2017

I'm tired too. Already too my zquil and waiting for my body to accept it's time to sleep.

I have an alarm set to hopefully get me up and current before dl.

Songstress · May 19, 2017

So yesterday afternoon I got extremely overly emotional for no apparent reason, and have been in a terrible mood ever since. I'd apologize for the emo but it's still there just under the surface and likely to pop back up. I also have a headache today, so there's that lovely addition to my grumpiness.

I tend to have less busy days at work on Fridays, plus have been moved to a new corner desk where it'll be easier for me to be a slacker and check in on my phone without drawing unwanted attention. However, I'm not sure I'll have a lot of value to add while I'm in this mood. Since trying to think logically about the game is apparently not getting me anywhere, I decided this morning to go with my gut reads. Do with them what you will.

If I am the seer, Adella and Darthe are town.

Otherwise, I feel Shanti and Spades have been most clear town.

LZM probably town because his EOD indecision only makes sense (IMO) as mafia if he, Eldrick and Alex were the mafia team, and there's really no reason why he wouldn't have put a vote on me or Tigraine to make it a 3-way random in that case.

Eldrick and Hallia are in my "not sure but I could see it as potential town" list.

Tigraine has me worried because 1) the "aha was that a slip" moment with Hallia, 2) leaving her joke vote on me and disappearing for the rest of D1, 3) coming back aggressively and focusing solely on Eldrick. I get the not having a lot of free time and playing on the phone, but I'm not sure I believe a townie in that position would spend that much time casing one person and not just skim some ISOs and give a comprehensive picture of their reads.

Ed has me worried because he still hasn't made his thoughts clear on other players, after promising to do so last night he made all of one post quoting an exchange between Eldrick and Hallia and leaving a comment that STILL does not make it clear how he feels about EITHER of them.

And most of all, my gut is telling me that while Cass has been great and townie, Dice has not hit me with that "oh yeah, he's definitely town" moment, which in my experience ALWAYS means he's not town. That combined with the fact that Cass is the only one who was able to come up with an explanation of why the mafia might have thought Redd could possibly be more likely to be the seer than anyone who left a legitimate N0 peek in the thread puts them as a flashing red light for me.

I'll be around.

Hallia · May 19, 2017

I'm torn between voting Tress or Cass/Dice. My own gut likes that post of Tress's, though.

Shad_ · May 19, 2017

Last VC for a while. I'll be back before deadline.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Adella

LZM (1) - Eldrick

Not Voting: Darthe, Songstress, Spadeszee, LedZepMan, Tigraine, Ed, Dice/Cass, Hallia, Shanti

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Shanti · May 19, 2017

At this point in time I'm not sure where I stand with who else is town or who is scum. I have been shut up in my house for a week and its starting to get to me, so I'm going outside today. Probably won't be home until later. I'm hoping this will give me a refreshed view on the situation.

For now, I'm not going to vote. I would rather not vote than to contribute to a mislynch. So see you guys later.

Hallia · May 19, 2017

[v] Cass/Dice [/v]

Spadeszee · May 19, 2017

I'm torn between voting Tress or Cass/Dice. My own gut likes that post of Tress's, though.

This seems really out of nowhere, like, really really out of nowhere. Can you please give some quotes as to what exactly is making you think this way?

Spadeszee · May 19, 2017

I'm trying really hard to piece wolf groups together right now and it's hard to find logic in anything. I would probably feel most comfortable with a Tig vote right now because she did fail to provide more after promising reads. I get being busy, but I don't really like the constant excuses and her reaction to being questioned about her focus on Eldrick is just really fishy to me. That being said, I'm still so suspicious of Eldrick because of how little he seemingly cares about playing this game and his "villagers gives answers" mindset. A villager flip gets us nowhere and I'm just not buying his thread presence as being genuine.

Ed is really growing on my list right now because of his rudeness to me when I ask him for reads, then calmly saying he's going to give them to someone else, then not providing us with anything. He has done absolutely nothing to help us solve this game so far.

I do really like Tress' logic about LZM and him splitting up the votes between three, if both Alex and Eldrick were w/w. Another thought is that would also probably throw him under suspicion at the same time, so him not doing that would be a smart tactic to not get all three EZPZ lynched. I'm also concerned that Hallia has him cleared.

With that, Hallia hasn't done anything either, I was hoping that her vote on Alex would get the ball rolling in the right direction, but it seems like she is just mindlessly voting right now.

This is really tough because I know only two more wolfs exist and I'm just trying to figure out who the best pairing would be.

Tigraine · May 19, 2017

Shanti- you haven't posted a whole lot so it makes the ISO easier. First I think I should tell you, you may be an alcoholic....just saying. But anyway, your reads list was different from others I've seen ever I believe. While usually people want to lean town or don't want to commit, I'm not sure I've seen someone call that many people scum at one time :laugh: you've been holding your own pretty good though, I've seen people question you about your posts and you don't get defensive, I've seen you step out from the crowd and stand up for Spades when someone called her out on something, and you even read my wall of text despite me being on quite a few scum lists including your own. I'm got a strong town read on you.

Adella- early on the whole back and forth with Spades still stands out to me. She asked you to explain your vote (although it was clearly a joke vote) you seemed to get a little defensive yourself while calling her out for being defensive. Your vote stayed on her until close to deadline with the excuse that you just didn't know who to move your vote to. Why not just unvote? Then you slip into the debate on why Redd was killed and mention that it's suspicious that Tress left an option out then when she responds as to what option, your reply is what caught my attention

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3794752

Basically saying it's a waste of time to speculate and that you believe its a misdirection to even speculate. So I have some questions for you 1) why did you even put a dog in the fight if it's useless? 2) why was it tress you confronted when others were speculating as well?

Slight scum read.

Hallia- early banter calls Alex out on vote hopping while defending Redd's style of the same way. Her context posts were not really conclusive.."this one seems towny "not bad for that one" "your posts are looking good". Then finally vote Alex because you don't like the other trains. A lot of posts directed to the "itt" comment but then you give a 'town to scum' list. I noticed that Cass/dice are in the middle then your read on them says they looked good early on then they slipped into question/answer mode which isn't alignment indicative....makes your vote on them seem curious. Are you kinda OMGUS'ing dice here? He says your tone is off then you vote them....not liking this. I think your answer to this question will tell me which way to lean with you. Iirc there seems to be 1 post in your ISO that has any game solving.

Dice- I'm liking early posting from Dice, I can see he's trying to give Cass the chance to play their role and only coming in as needed. Hes went after a few people and hasn't gotten aggressive to the point of a scum pushing a needless point. Hes also helped out with a few questions the newbies have but bit obtrusively so. I like this look on you Dice (p.s. sorry for lynching you last game :( ). I'll give a read on Cass but my view on Dice I'm definitely leaning town.

Tigraine · May 19, 2017

Cass- from the start I have felt Cass has been game solving. She's asked question and pushed for answers. She's put thought into her posts and isn't afraid to go after people. I'm not seeing anything from her that seems suspicious so I'm going to say outright that I think this Hydra is a town role.

Ed- wtf ed...where are you this game? I saw nothing from you that looked like game solving, votes with no reasons and hell of a lot of fluff. Usually by day 2 you become involved...you're not. All I have to say is show us something scummy mcscummerson

LZM- I can't go after you for the "no reads list" D1. I'm in 100% agreement, I don't like it and I don't like that it's pushed. I've never been able to pull reads out of my rear for the joke voting and banter. Haven't seen a lot from you but I'm liking what I see so far, you've gotten involved and haven't tried to lay low. Leaning town. Welcome back btw, I'm glad a bunch of us oldies are hitting DM back at the same time :)

Tigraine · May 19, 2017

Spade- early on the was questioning votes and getting into the nitty gritty. Not wanting to put out a scum/town list until she had more info. When she does give a read list it's well thought out ans has a lot of substance. Reminds me of Cass's game play and I like it. Although she was accused of getting defensive I don't see it. The vote she placed on eld was supported with quotes. I'm saying town on spade.

Tress- early on there was nothing of substance, seemed to get a bit defensive when Darthe accused her of doing her scum thing. That pinged with me. Then after her reads list I become the most scummy in her eyes but all I can find for reason is my "itt" question to Hallia. She then explains lack of content which I get and leaving my joke vote on her...which was truly lack of being present. I had no desire to actually Lynch her. I'm not sure what it is exactly, something I can't explain but I'm weary of Tress. I don't know what to name her between town and scum so I'm just going to say no true read on her. Just going to keep my eye on her.

Darthe- reading his posts has me questioning why everyone is town reading him. I'm really seeing a lack of content or explanation for anyone/anything. Darthe I'd like to hear more from you, could we get a reads list from you?

As it stands, my top scum leans are ed and eldrick. As I stated there are a few more I'm keeping an eye on.

Right now I'm going to [v] ed [v/] you need to give us something man.

Tigraine · May 19, 2017

Grr [v] ed [/v]

Spadeszee · May 19, 2017

Would really like to hear from @Darthe @Adella @LZM and @Ed right now on all their thoughts.

Songstress · May 19, 2017

I appreciate the fact that Tigs has finished giving thoughts on everyone... now if only we could get the same from Ed.

Someone send up the monkey signal, yo.

Tigraine · May 19, 2017

I'm trying really hard to piece wolf groups together right now and it's hard to find logic in anything. I would probably feel most comfortable with a Tig vote right now because she did fail to provide more after promising reads. I get being busy, but I don't really like the constant excuses and her reaction to being questioned about her focus on Eldrick is just really fishy to me. That being said, I'm still so suspicious of Eldrick because of how little he seemingly cares about playing this game and his "villagers gives answers" mindset. A villager flip gets us nowhere and I'm just not buying his thread presence as being genuine.

Ed is really growing on my list right now because of his rudeness to me when I ask him for reads, then calmly saying he's going to give them to someone else, then not providing us with anything. He has done absolutely nothing to help us solve this game so far.

I do really like Tress' logic about LZM and him splitting up the votes between three, if both Alex and Eldrick were w/w. Another thought is that would also probably throw him under suspicion at the same time, so him not doing that would be a smart tactic to not get all three EZPZ lynched. I'm also concerned that Hallia has him cleared.

With that, Hallia hasn't done anything either, I was hoping that her vote on Alex would get the ball rolling in the right direction, but it seems like she is just mindlessly voting right now.

This is really tough because I know only two more wolfs exist and I'm just trying to figure out who the best pairing would be.

Storms caused power outages in my area all through the night then life happened this morning, I apologize if my "constant excuses" bother you but I have put in more content than some players so I'm curious as to why you find it so scummy in me???

Also what is fishy about my response to my post on eldrick? Could you be more specific?

Hallia · May 19, 2017

LZM is town. I'm not happy with the lack of activity. But there it is. I wrote my reasoning last night on cass/dice - and Tress as well, but atm her recent post made me feel a little better. I also wrote my reasoning why I don't think everyone else is town, or lower on the totem pole. I could also vote darthe

[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

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