[Advanced] Fight Club Mafia! - Game Thread!

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

He said that my (very recent) game with you as partners could be coloring my perceptions. That's something I hadn't considered and it's probably true. I have a chronic case of recency bias, where what happened in the near past weighs more heavily on my reasoning than the more distant past.

What's your read on Cuth/DPR now?

 

Hmm. Cuth seems more towny now, for sure. I think the biggest alignment indicator for me was his eagerness to no-lynch. With the exception of the (unlikely IMO) possibility of them being scummates, I think that shows towny. If he were scum and in a thunderdome with town he'd likely take the opportunity to get his opponent dead.

 

Ok, thanks

 

Oh, and the same goes for DPR. I forgot to include him, but the same argument applies.

 

Numbers wise I don't think this is actually true, but I suspect most players won't view numbers the same way so it's probably true in most scenarios.

 

I don't really trust either of them at the moment, but suspect you're right that if One's scum and the other town they'd have pushed for a mislynch.

[BFG]

Lol messed up time zones :)

[Sooh]

The issue I have with Seph, and the reason he isn't clear for me just yet, is that he knows very well who he's supposed to be able to read as town quickly, and would probably do that as scum as well. At the same time there was a spree of posts late D1 that seemed towny to me, so I'm hoping to confirm one way or another next time he stops by.

 

As for DPR I think I'm satisfied with his play during the fight enough to call him town. I don't see scum doing that play when they might be killed off because of the danger of spew.

 

I'd like to say the same about Cuth, but I don't think his play felt as spewy as DPR's, if that makes sense?

 

I need more from a bunch of people though, so I'm hoping Tress, Hallia, Crusher, Ironeyes, Wildfire and Seph can come in and help me resolve them soon.

[Cuth]

 

hm

 

in a game like this the scums are not going to hang off the top wagons

 

they're going to be on ones like ours and maybe Tress if they can get away with it

 

por eso and for other reasons we get down to, like

 

darthe/sooh/seph 

 

that's my revised scum poe, though i'd definitely lynch seph over sooh

 

seph... was blatantly towny last game, i thought

 

this game he comes in, just blanket townreads half of the game without ever saying why, and then is inconsistent in talking about who his suspects are and why

 

he has pretty high equity at this point

 

Can you show where Seph 'blanket town reads half the game'?

 

Disagree a fair amount on Sooh, possibly Seph although I want to see what he does now and want to know why he didn't vote last fight

 

oh and yeah i'm not 100% on Darthe obviously, though i still think there's a very good chance there

 

have been purposefully exaggerating

 

oh right seph was also pushing the dpr/me agenda ever since he got back

 

which while it could be town there's also the problematic bit that he's pushing two towns (assuming DPR is, which i'm pretty convinced of)

What agenda? Why are you so sure DPR is town?

 

blanket town reads iirc he comes into thread with like three or four, and by EoD is down to "only every lynch four" but was really inconsistent about who those four were, and whether he wanted to lynch them, and what his reads actually were at all

 

and voting dpr and myself without really looking at the other options in any visible way 

 

DPR is voted by and voted darthe and sooh

 

his reaction to the fight was towny

 

there's nothing scummy about his play

[The Crusher]

 

 

anything that 

 

 

i'm all for a thunderdome with darthe, if you guys would like to vote the both of us up

 

id rather you and marsh actually.  

 

i want to hear a little bit more from him before i'd want to thunderdome him

 

he's definitely in my top candidates for scum though

 

i would be very surprised if not two in darthe/iron/sooh, in that order

Ok?

So far I've heard a bunch about Darthe. Can you elaborate on Iron/me?

 

but darthe is scum!!111!!111!1!!!!!1111!!!!!

 

there is a REASON i am talking more about him

 

because i don't KNOW exactly why and how i feel about you yet

 

and i need to hear more from iron

 

but i know i don't like him (not personally)

 

This is interesting. Wasn;t too long ago that you didn't feel that strong about it. Wondering what changed. Don;t remember seeing too many Darthe post between then and now.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

 

 

He said that my (very recent) game with you as partners could be coloring my perceptions. That's something I hadn't considered and it's probably true. I have a chronic case of recency bias, where what happened in the near past weighs more heavily on my reasoning than the more distant past.

What's your read on Cuth/DPR now?

 

Hmm. Cuth seems more towny now, for sure. I think the biggest alignment indicator for me was his eagerness to no-lynch. With the exception of the (unlikely IMO) possibility of them being scummates, I think that shows towny. If he were scum and in a thunderdome with town he'd likely take the opportunity to get his opponent dead.

 

Ok, thanks

 

Oh, and the same goes for DPR. I forgot to include him, but the same argument applies.

 

Numbers wise I don't think this is actually true, but I suspect most players won't view numbers the same way so it's probably true in most scenarios.

 

I don't really trust either of them at the moment, but suspect you're right that if One's scum and the other town they'd have pushed for a mislynch.

 

What about numbers? I don't know what you mean. 

[Cuth]

Dpr is my highest suspect for scum. His play has been so shady, like his pop in vote 10 mons ago and dissapears.

 

I really think this thread has been super towny and tbh I would only vote probably 4 people.

 

 

 

OK Cuth

1. His play this game is by far one of the most scummy. This has been a towny game I'm and he has put in 0 effort to solve it, with lackluster reasons for his votes, which he has 0 progression on.

2. I never said I don't see his play not Coming from a town perspective, I said it to you earlier.

3. My vote isn't based on this game compared to that 3p game. I am staying it is entirely different though.

4. You can see how hard he tried to solve it, there is a big difference and makes me think I am right though.

5. When he does post there is nothing actually helping us solve this game

i'm not saying you said you couldn't see his play coming from a town perspective

 

i am asking you

 

right here

 

and right now

 

whether you think not solving is >rand scum

Yes I think putting no effort (not just solving) is indeed. Especially in a game like this where I feel confident or at least good about most people.

 

 

Sooh

WiFi

Dice

Ed

Bfg (though I disliked her recent interaction with Cuth a bit)

 

Iron

 

Tress

Darth

Hallie

Crusher

 

Cuth

Dpr

 

IA pretty much how I feel atm

 

these things do not line up with each other

 

and there was no progression in the middle, basically just me grilling him on why he felt so strongly, apparently, about dpr

 

he said several times that the whole game was very towny, but his readslist doesn't match up with that and his statements he made around EoD conflict on several levels

[ed2funy]

Eeeehhhhh, gonna say this now. People who are already saying that during a Fight, the fact that DPR and Cuth both coming together so quick and opting for a No Lynch (I legit hve a feeling that DPR asked if No Lynch was an option because I've been in games with him where he asks a hundred and one dalma - questions, but that's neither here nor there at the moment) and not trying to pin the other person down as scum....

 

That doesn't mean they're town or lean town, imo. The people pushing that viewpoint are gonna be under my radar when I get onto my laptop and reread.

 

It was the first Fight after a slower Day 1 than usual. It makes sense anyone wouldn't be super strong on pushing for someone, depending on their read. I don't like how fast they both came into agreement (can't remember off hand how hard they were going for each other pre-fight, though), but their willingness to work together and aim for a No Lynch does not indicate town or Mafia.

 

Setting that precedence now is a bad idea and can be used by Mafia to connect themselves to being town-aligned if/when they're in a Fight.

[Cuth]

 

 

 

anything that 

 

 

i'm all for a thunderdome with darthe, if you guys would like to vote the both of us up

 

id rather you and marsh actually.  

 

i want to hear a little bit more from him before i'd want to thunderdome him

 

he's definitely in my top candidates for scum though

 

i would be very surprised if not two in darthe/iron/sooh, in that order

Ok?

So far I've heard a bunch about Darthe. Can you elaborate on Iron/me?

 

but darthe is scum!!111!!111!1!!!!!1111!!!!!

 

there is a REASON i am talking more about him

 

because i don't KNOW exactly why and how i feel about you yet

 

and i need to hear more from iron

 

but i know i don't like him (not personally)

 

This is interesting. Wasn;t too long ago that you didn't feel that strong about it. Wondering what changed. Don;t remember seeing too many Darthe post between then and now.

 

when the hell did i not feel that strongly about him

 

i've felt strongly about him ever since my first post  

[ed2funy]

Y'all sure can make bigger posts in 15 minutes. *grumbles*

 

Remind me to refresh the game in another tab before posting a longer post. I get distracted easily.

[Cuth]

Eeeehhhhh, gonna say this now. People who are already saying that during a Fight, the fact that DPR and Cuth both coming together so quick and opting for a No Lynch (I legit hve a feeling that DPR asked if No Lynch was an option because I've been in games with him where he asks a hundred and one dalma - questions, but that's neither here nor there at the moment) and not trying to pin the other person down as scum....

 

That doesn't mean they're town or lean town, imo. The people pushing that viewpoint are gonna be under my radar when I get onto my laptop and reread.

 

It was the first Fight after a slower Day 1 than usual. It makes sense anyone wouldn't be super strong on pushing for someone, depending on their read. I don't like how fast they both came into agreement (can't remember off hand how hard they were going for each other pre-fight, though), but their willingness to work together and aim for a No Lynch does not indicate town or Mafia.

 

Setting that precedence now is a bad idea and can be used by Mafia to connect themselves to being town-aligned if/when they're in a Fight.

we were not going for each other at all

 

we agreed with each other's reads beforehand, and were voting similar people

 

i was literally defending him like the whole hour and a half before EoD

[Ironeyes]

I need more from a bunch of people though, so I'm hoping Tress, Hallia, Crusher, Ironeyes, Wildfire and Seph can come in and help me resolve them soon.

I'm walking out of class right now, so I'm going to be here for the beginning of day. Tonight and tomorrow will be less busy for me so I'll definitely put in more work in this game than I did over the weekend. Hopefully that'll help you out

[ed2funy]

when the hell did i not feel that strongly about him

 

i've felt strongly about him ever since my first post

Since your first post.

[ed2funy]

@ Cuth, I'll confirm during my reread. lol

My main point in that post wasn't aimed so much directly at you or DPR.

[Cuth]

 

when the hell did i not feel that strongly about him

 

i've felt strongly about him ever since my first post

Since your first post.

 

hm?

[Cuth]

@ Cuth, I'll confirm during my reread. lol

My main point in that post wasn't aimed so much directly at you or DPR.

k

 

fair enough

[ed2funy]

But also, kind of yes. Just setting up that narrative so concretely is a no go at this station.

[ed2funy]

 

 

when the hell did i not feel that strongly about him

 

i've felt strongly about him ever since my first post

Since your first post.

hm?

Being so strong from the beginning of the game isn't always such a good thing.

[DPR]

Eeeehhhhh, gonna say this now. People who are already saying that during a Fight, the fact that DPR and Cuth both coming together so quick and opting for a No Lynch (I legit hve a feeling that DPR asked if No Lynch was an option because I've been in games with him where he asks a hundred and one dalma - questions, but that's neither here nor there at the moment) and not trying to pin the other person down as scum....

 

That doesn't mean they're town or lean town, imo. The people pushing that viewpoint are gonna be under my radar when I get onto my laptop and reread.

 

It was the first Fight after a slower Day 1 than usual. It makes sense anyone wouldn't be super strong on pushing for someone, depending on their read. I don't like how fast they both came into agreement (can't remember off hand how hard they were going for each other pre-fight, though), but their willingness to work together and aim for a No Lynch does not indicate town or Mafia.

 

Setting that precedence now is a bad idea and can be used by Mafia to connect themselves to being town-aligned if/when they're in a Fight.

 

 

LOL. You'll get splinters in your arse riding the fence like that.

[DPR]

 

 

 

anything that 

 

 

i'm all for a thunderdome with darthe, if you guys would like to vote the both of us up

 

id rather you and marsh actually.  

 

i want to hear a little bit more from him before i'd want to thunderdome him

 

he's definitely in my top candidates for scum though

 

i would be very surprised if not two in darthe/iron/sooh, in that order

Ok?

So far I've heard a bunch about Darthe. Can you elaborate on Iron/me?

 

but darthe is scum!!111!!111!1!!!!!1111!!!!!

 

there is a REASON i am talking more about him

 

because i don't KNOW exactly why and how i feel about you yet

 

and i need to hear more from iron

 

but i know i don't like him (not personally)

 

This is interesting. Wasn;t too long ago that you didn't feel that strong about it. Wondering what changed. Don;t remember seeing too many Darthe post between then and now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anything that 

 

 

i'm all for a thunderdome with darthe, if you guys would like to vote the both of us up

 

id rather you and marsh actually.  

 

i want to hear a little bit more from him before i'd want to thunderdome him

 

he's definitely in my top candidates for scum though

 

i would be very surprised if not two in darthe/iron/sooh, in that order

Ok?

So far I've heard a bunch about Darthe. Can you elaborate on Iron/me?

 

but darthe is scum!!111!!111!1!!!!!1111!!!!!

 

there is a REASON i am talking more about him

 

because i don't KNOW exactly why and how i feel about you yet

 

and i need to hear more from iron

 

but i know i don't like him (not personally)

 

This is interesting. Wasn;t too long ago that you didn't feel that strong about it. Wondering what changed. Don;t remember seeing too many Darthe post between then and now.

 

when the hell did i not feel that strongly about him

 

i've felt strongly about him ever since my first post  

 

 

Had the same thought.

[DPR]

 

Eeeehhhhh, gonna say this now. People who are already saying that during a Fight, the fact that DPR and Cuth both coming together so quick and opting for a No Lynch (I legit hve a feeling that DPR asked if No Lynch was an option because I've been in games with him where he asks a hundred and one dalma - questions, but that's neither here nor there at the moment) and not trying to pin the other person down as scum....

 

That doesn't mean they're town or lean town, imo. The people pushing that viewpoint are gonna be under my radar when I get onto my laptop and reread.

 

It was the first Fight after a slower Day 1 than usual. It makes sense anyone wouldn't be super strong on pushing for someone, depending on their read. I don't like how fast they both came into agreement (can't remember off hand how hard they were going for each other pre-fight, though), but their willingness to work together and aim for a No Lynch does not indicate town or Mafia.

 

Setting that precedence now is a bad idea and can be used by Mafia to connect themselves to being town-aligned if/when they're in a Fight.

we were not going for each other at all

 

we agreed with each other's reads beforehand, and were voting similar people

 

i was literally defending him like the whole hour and a half before EoD

 

 

Truth again. 

[Ironeyes]

Eeeehhhhh, gonna say this now. People who are already saying that during a Fight, the fact that DPR and Cuth both coming together so quick and opting for a No Lynch (I legit hve a feeling that DPR asked if No Lynch was an option because I've been in games with him where he asks a hundred and one dalma - questions, but that's neither here nor there at the moment) and not trying to pin the other person down as scum....

 

That doesn't mean they're town or lean town, imo. The people pushing that viewpoint are gonna be under my radar when I get onto my laptop and reread.

 

It was the first Fight after a slower Day 1 than usual. It makes sense anyone wouldn't be super strong on pushing for someone, depending on their read. I don't like how fast they both came into agreement (can't remember off hand how hard they were going for each other pre-fight, though), but their willingness to work together and aim for a No Lynch does not indicate town or Mafia.

 

Setting that precedence now is a bad idea and can be used by Mafia to connect themselves to being town-aligned if/when they're in a Fight.

That's an interesting way to look at it... I disagree, but I kinda see where you're coming from. 

[BFG]

The issue I have with Seph, and the reason he isn't clear for me just yet, is that he knows very well who he's supposed to be able to read as town quickly, and would probably do that as scum as well. At the same time there was a spree of posts late D1 that seemed towny to me, so I'm hoping to confirm one way or another next time he stops by.

 

As for DPR I think I'm satisfied with his play during the fight enough to call him town. I don't see scum doing that play when they might be killed off because of the danger of spew.

 

I'd like to say the same about Cuth, but I don't think his play felt as spewy as DPR's, if that makes sense?

 

I need more from a bunch of people though, so I'm hoping Tress, Hallia, Crusher, Ironeyes, Wildfire and Seph can come in and help me resolve them soon.

I liked Sephs entrance to the game, and it's out of what I remember from his scum game, but that was a while ago and could well have changed over his break. He's trending down but I think will become obvious. The sporadic activity is interesting

 

I understand your read about DPR but rightly or wrongly have him slotted in with Kivam and it's exactly the sort of thing Kivam would do

 

The thing that had me backing away from Cuth end of yesterday was that his scum game was subtle nudges rather than blatant 'lynch X' but 2 game meta isn't meta lol, either way so have him as null

 

And agreed agreed agreed on too many null people :(

[ed2funy]

 

Eeeehhhhh, gonna say this now. People who are already saying that during a Fight, the fact that DPR and Cuth both coming together so quick and opting for a No Lynch (I legit hve a feeling that DPR asked if No Lynch was an option because I've been in games with him where he asks a hundred and one dalma - questions, but that's neither here nor there at the moment) and not trying to pin the other person down as scum....

 

That doesn't mean they're town or lean town, imo. The people pushing that viewpoint are gonna be under my radar when I get onto my laptop and reread.

 

It was the first Fight after a slower Day 1 than usual. It makes sense anyone wouldn't be super strong on pushing for someone, depending on their read. I don't like how fast they both came into agreement (can't remember off hand how hard they were going for each other pre-fight, though), but their willingness to work together and aim for a No Lynch does not indicate town or Mafia.

 

Setting that precedence now is a bad idea and can be used by Mafia to connect themselves to being town-aligned if/when they're in a Fight.

 

LOL. You'll get splinters in your arse riding the fence like that.

I'll refrain from making jokes about what goes in my arse.

 

Not really riding the fence, though. I legit don't have a strong opinion formed on the fight between you two and he lead up to it.

 

I do have a strong opinion about people using the connect-the-dots, look-how-they-handled-the-fight, must-be-town, to push you and Cuth as Town. Whether it was you and me, two other people, or anyone, setting that precedence isn't right.

[Cuth]

 

 

 

when the hell did i not feel that strongly about him

 

i've felt strongly about him ever since my first post

Since your first post.

hm?

Being so strong from the beginning of the game isn't always such a good thing.

 

yes, there is a reason i rarely do it

 

and that reason is because i rarely feel so strong about something