[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Cuth]

 

so who's the wolf on the notbob wagon

has to be darthe/crusher imo. eldrick is a wild guess because im tunneling him lolol. but everyone else seems good.

 

could vote you for a deep wolf, since you moved there when kizzyclov was getting lynched and notbob was in no trouble. and since you didn't have any posts after the vote it will be my tinfoil :) 

 

hmmm yes probably the guy who started the wagon on lizclov, was the first person to get off of it, and then voted notbob and tried (if not very hard because i had like no sleep) to get people to vote him

 

yeah you're probably right

 

i'll have to look at the player list tomorrow because i can't remember like a third of the players or what they're doing and where they are and stuff and no reads whatsoever

[Darthe]

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

[Darthe]

Might actually lean el tomorrow if mrs clov shapes up some.

[Cuth]

who was it that was telling me notbob looked normal last night

[seph]

 

 

That worked out wel!

darthe no more tunneling :)

While i still think you are town, gana have to look at your slot with some scrutiny. likely a wolf between you and crusher.

We are both town, it's still liz and the wolves just suck this game.

 

 i still think lizzyclov is town.  wouldn't be impossible but your 2 spots on the lynch will be the most sussed, just because of there spots where you moved over. What do you think of crushers vote to move over? 

tbh I would lynch tink/spoof/crusher tomorrow, regardless do not tunnel lizclov tomorrow, or even try to lynch them. if more info comes up after the 2nd lynch you do you. 

[Cuth]

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

 

meh

 

i wasn't feeling super confident about the wagon by the end

 

i disagree that liz is a good candidate

 

and who would you define "on the block"

[seph]

who was it that was telling me notbob looked normal last night

I told you i didn't notice anything :) I think eld said he looked normal. I need to reread when and why he jumped on it.

 

 

[Cuth]

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

 

"Easy pick"

 

yeah that's what people who weren't the only person voting him for a decent space of time and starting the wagon say

 

liz was an easy pick, but she's likely town

[seph]

I will almost guarantee there is a wolf in eld crusher darthe. bets on crusher

[Cuth]

 

who was it that was telling me notbob looked normal last night

I told you i didn't notice anything :) I think eld said he looked normal. I need to reread when and why he jumped on it.

 

 

 

[seph]

seriously if that lynch was all town, most amazing come back lynch ever.... lol.
still would kill tink over anyone...

[seph]

also going to bed. then vtines with the better half once i wake up. going to really dig in later i hope b4 daybreak

[Wildfire Sedai]

Finally caught up again.  Tis great we got a goonie.  I am gonna be working on my reads list.  I will try to stay current but my focus will be the reads list. 

[Darthe]

 

 

 

That worked out wel!

darthe no more tunneling :)

While i still think you are town, gana have to look at your slot with some scrutiny. likely a wolf between you and crusher.

We are both town, it's still liz and the wolves just suck this game.

i still think lizzyclov is town. wouldn't be impossible but your 2 spots on the lynch will be the most sussed, just because of there spots where you moved over. What do you think of crushers vote to move over?

tbh I would lynch tink/spoof/crusher tomorrow, regardless do not tunnel lizclov tomorrow, or even try to lynch them. if more info comes up after the 2nd lynch you do you.

I don't really worry about my position on that train. I called him out early and kept him as my second after liz, so that's on thread. How much weight others give that is for them to decide. As for liz, ima go ahead and ignore your advice in favor of doing what I want but thanks tho.

 

There's no world where crush or I are wolves, so maybe I have an advantage in being aware that you're wrong.

 

 

El is where a lot of people seem confused though. I think that needs fleshed out.

[Darthe]

 

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

"Easy pick"

 

yeah that's what people who weren't the only person voting him for a decent space of time and starting the wagon say

 

liz was an easy pick, but she's likely town

You sound like you have a point, but you don't. I advise really rereading and coming back with better info.

[Darthe]

Hey liz, not clov but liz, who is a wolf with nb?

[seph]

 

 

 

 

That worked out wel!

darthe no more tunneling :)

While i still think you are town, gana have to look at your slot with some scrutiny. likely a wolf between you and crusher.

We are both town, it's still liz and the wolves just suck this game.

i still think lizzyclov is town. wouldn't be impossible but your 2 spots on the lynch will be the most sussed, just because of there spots where you moved over. What do you think of crushers vote to move over?

tbh I would lynch tink/spoof/crusher tomorrow, regardless do not tunnel lizclov tomorrow, or even try to lynch them. if more info comes up after the 2nd lynch you do you.

I don't really worry about my position on that train. I called him out early and kept him as my second after liz, so that's on thread. How much weight others give that is for them to decide. As for liz, ima go ahead and ignore your advice in favor of doing what I want but thanks tho.

 

There's no world where crush or I are wolves, so maybe I have an advantage in being aware that you're wrong.

 

 

El is where a lot of people seem confused though. I think that needs fleshed out.

 

why are you being so uncooperative? I have already dug that hole pretty damn deep

[seph]

I have gave my case, and even tried to get him to be the lynch so i don't mind it.
but crush/tink need to be resolved as well. can you at least tell me why crush is lock town in your eyes so i can understand better?

[seph]

did crusher just appear b4 dl and bounce after :(

[seph]

So since the lynch your posts have been nothing but disturbing since the lynch.

I think for the most part this thread has been pretty damn towny, even when arguing with each other we are figuring this game out (hi 5 town)

darthe while I think your for the most part on your town game, I am extremely concerned with your lack of cooperation. I don't think I have ever seen town darthe, especially after a lynch refuse to work with town. not only that you seem to be wanting to go after the main 2 trains from day 1. both of which were on the train alot of posts b4 you. one was 2nd, the other was 5th. 

The obvious vote switches are from you and crusher, now I have talked to you enough to know that regardless of my views on a person when they have a opportunistic vote such as crushers, and yours they need to be looked at. however it seems to me you have him as lock town.

to be honest you just lowered yourself on my list, and its a great possibility if crusher is mafia, so are you. 

LET ME CLARIFY The town should not lynch the hydra or eldrick tomorrow, unless given some pretty damn good evidence. (aka DO NOT FOLLOW DARTHE) Look in spoiler for examples.

these are people of concern
tink
crusher
darthe
spoof

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

Why?

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

 

 

 

 

Yea. Obvious choice.

[V]Lizclov [/v]

 

Obvious choice is obvious.  How can you state earlier that you have a scum lean on Cuth who's pressure on Lizclov is exactly the train you've now decided to join.  I'm confused.

 

For now.  Unvote, Vote Eldrick.

 

 

 

 

I have a nagging feeling that lizclov is town everytime I read mrsclov... there are a few things i like about liz tone is 1, but her gameplay doesn't make up for it. And I know tone isn't the easiest thing to fake, but once people learn how to its hard to use it for or against them so i am trying not to let it factor in my decision to much.

Atm I don't really see me going to vote anyone but eldrick or lizclov. Tink is someone I wouldn't mind lyching but its a much bigger gamble and less reward.

BAHH I really think there is a wolf in eldrick/livclov.... [v] eldrick [/v]

going to read notbob then go to bed i think.

 

^^^Good vote^^^

 

 

 

 

I think it might be helpful to explain how I'm looking at things:

 

Scumhunting is the way Townies win. 

 

Tone reading, lock clearing and deep meta comparisons are basically a waste of time.

 

Scumhunting consists of, among other things, spotting players who present circular arguments, determining when "logic" is self serving and connecting the dots where alliances are forming.

 

So far I have Eldrick down for ignoring common sense logic and presenting circular arguments.

 

Kizzy Clov is guilty of self serving, presenting circular arguments and going into full-tilt panic mode, despite the  vote count against them never going to L-1 (which is where the pressure point is, imo).

 

Both slots are working what I see as an alliance.

 

Both slots seem the obvious choices to lynch. I have thoughts on some other players, but none this defined.

 

It's that simple.

 

Kizzy Clov is my choice to lynch today and Eldrick is on my radar to sweat tomorrow. 

 

I'm following the Pirate on this for now.  Unvote, Vote LizClove

 

Still do not like WiFi's disappearing act...IIRC...she used to have that habit.

 

 

 

 

[Lizabeth]

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

It wasn't luck. It was skill and good team work.

 

I haven't read the lead up to end of day yet, but I will when I get home from work tonight.

 

From my look at the final vote count, Crusher and Kronos's votes on NB look the most suspicious to me (I still have Darthe begrudgingly as town) but I'll have to look at it in context.

 

I'm going to try to control my level of snark for the rest of the game, so I'm gonna just ignore Darthe until he starts saying something that makes sense. So someone tell me when he starts saying something that makes sense.

 

I still want to understand where Cass' head has been at with regards to her vote on Darthe, so if someone is around while she is around, can you please follow up on that?

[Lizabeth]

Oh, and I still suspect Tinker. But I'll have to read his end of day because i see he finally got active after I went to bed last night.

 

I assume that Spoof will be replaced since I dont' recall him posting at all during d1.

[seph]

Oh, and I still suspect Tinker. But I'll have to read his end of day because i see he finally got active after I went to bed last night.

 

I assume that Spoof will be replaced since I dont' recall him posting at all during d1.

meh, there was some posts. but he wouldn't engage me when i tried. 

[The Crusher]

 

so who's the wolf on the notbob wagon

 

has to be darthe/crusher imo. eldrick is a wild guess because im tunneling him lolol. but everyone else seems good.

could vote you for a deep wolf, since you moved there when kizzyclov was getting lynched and notbob was in no trouble. and since you didn't have any posts after the vote it will be my tinfoil :)

So I moved to my teammate while they were neck and neck? Darthe too? Damn I thought you had a handle on things. You are a mess.

[seph]

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe Wade (1): Cass

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (4): Dice, Darthe, DPR, Tiinker

 

NotBob Cassidy (6): Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Sooh, Eldrick, seph, Crusher

 

Eldrick the Kid (3): Hallia, WiFi, Not Bob

 

Not Voting: Spoof, Kronos

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

 

Deadline for D1 is Tuesday, 2/14/17 at 9:00 AM MST

Actually to clarify. Notbo was in the lead by 1 vote the whole time. so Before you and darthe moved over 10 mins beforehand. you were going to be on the lizclov train. so yes i think 1 of the 2 of you. has a chance to be a wolf. wagonomics isn't 100 percent but ill sure calculate it into my reads.